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Quote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 10:07:58 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 02, 2019, 07:43:40 pmBS.Don't flatter yourself that you've got the first idea what I think or want. You haven't got the first idea. Discuss this like a grown up or toddle off and leave it to grown ups to discuss. Right, let's meet up then and discuss this face to face like grown ups. Why can't grown ups discuss it on a forum?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 02, 2019, 07:43:40 pmBS.Don't flatter yourself that you've got the first idea what I think or want. You haven't got the first idea. Discuss this like a grown up or toddle off and leave it to grown ups to discuss. Right, let's meet up then and discuss this face to face like grown ups.
BS.Don't flatter yourself that you've got the first idea what I think or want. You haven't got the first idea. Discuss this like a grown up or toddle off and leave it to grown ups to discuss.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 03, 2019, 10:23:55 amQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 10:07:58 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 02, 2019, 07:43:40 pmBS.Don't flatter yourself that you've got the first idea what I think or want. You haven't got the first idea. Discuss this like a grown up or toddle off and leave it to grown ups to discuss. Right, let's meet up then and discuss this face to face like grown ups. Why can't grown ups discuss it on a forum? Oh, is that how corbyn and may will cunduct their discussions?Thought it may be beneficial, as somehow I think bst wouldn't be so preachy, condescending and I'm sure he'd drop his bullying tactics if he wasn't hid behind his keyboard.The irony being, that's how he thinks grown ups discuss issues.
BST. What is valid is that the country had a vote and voted to leave. What tweaks some folk's noses is when people try to justify that the vote isn't valid. What sort of heap of shite do you think that will leave our country in if they get their way and invalidate the vote?
BBAye. I know. And we've had three years since of trying to a) interpret what that meant and b) implement it in a way that doesn't cripple our economy or throw a hand grenade into Northern Ireland. It's hard isn't it? Which is why I get a little bit miffed when folk say "just get on with it and leave" whilst refusing to engage with those consequences that were never properly discussed in 2016.So yeah, I agree that there'd be a lot of people pissed off if that decision was revisited. Equally, there'll be a lot of people pissed off if the 2016 decision IS implemented and the predictions that have been steadfastly ignored by Leavers come to pass.It's a right f**king mess isn't it?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 01:33:55 pmBST. What is valid is that the country had a vote and voted to leave. What tweaks some folk's noses is when people try to justify that the vote isn't valid. What sort of heap of shite do you think that will leave our country in if they get their way and invalidate the vote?Democracy is dieing in the UK.We clearly voted to leave. The ballot paper mentioned nothing about begging for a deal.We should have activated article 50 the day after the referendum and told the EU we were leaving on WTO terms, BUT if THEY wanted a deal with us to come and talk it over. Who in their right mind goes into a negotiation saying we don't want to leave without a deal, thereby throwing your strongest bargaining chip in the bin?We should leave now. When we make a success of life outside the EU others will follow our brave lead. The GREAT in Great Britain didn't come about from fannying around makes deals with the likes of Luxembourg, it came from doing our business all throughout the world.
ALThing is, May DID try that approach. Remember? 2 years ago. No Deal is better than a bad deal?Thing is, it isn't. No Deal would be bad for the EU but a disaster for us. And for the EU, No Deal is less bad than a deal that undermined the integrity of the EU.So that threat was tried but it didn't work. Because it wasn't remotely realistic. And that is the art of negotiating. You don't negotiate from a position that isn't credible. Because the other side will just stonewall you.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on April 03, 2019, 01:58:03 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 01:33:55 pmBST. What is valid is that the country had a vote and voted to leave. What tweaks some folk's noses is when people try to justify that the vote isn't valid. What sort of heap of shite do you think that will leave our country in if they get their way and invalidate the vote?Democracy is dieing in the UK.We clearly voted to leave. The ballot paper mentioned nothing about begging for a deal.We should have activated article 50 the day after the referendum and told the EU we were leaving on WTO terms, BUT if THEY wanted a deal with us to come and talk it over. Who in their right mind goes into a negotiation saying we don't want to leave without a deal, thereby throwing your strongest bargaining chip in the bin?We should leave now. When we make a success of life outside the EU others will follow our brave lead. The GREAT in Great Britain didn't come about from fannying around makes deals with the likes of Luxembourg, it came from doing our business all throughout the world.What about the Greater in Greater Manchester?
BST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.
BS.You have an obsession with meeting up. Do you think the points I'm making would be any less valid or yours any more valid face to face? BB. No. To disagree with someone you need to have both sides engaged with the discussion. I'd never suggest that anyone who engages in a discussion sensibly isn't grown up.What got my goat yesterday was BS making a totally unsubstantiated claim, misunderstanding evidence that strongly indicated that his claim was wrong, then, when that misunderstanding was patiently corrected, responding with a rant about me wanting to get rid of the Queen. You reckon that is mature discussion?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.
Quote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?
Quote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:29:02 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?The EU are the ones putting up barriers not us.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.Then you admit a lot of people were misled/misinformed during the referendum campaign?
Quote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:29:02 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?Great solutions come out of necessity. Anyway Do you think the EU would blockade any lorries and ships from the UK?