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Of course I'm not taking that deal.Anyone who genuinely cares about the future of this country should always be prepared to look at the consequences of the decisions we make.Do you think we should just close our eyes and ears to the issue?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 16, 2022, 11:18:33 pmOf course I'm not taking that deal.Anyone who genuinely cares about the future of this country should always be prepared to look at the consequences of the decisions we make.Do you think we should just close our eyes and ears to the issue?It looks like Keith has, seeing as he's told us all to move on from it.You see I'm struggling here to understand why, if the EU is so economically wonderful, and we're in such sh*t because we've left, Keith doesn't want us to re-join. Ed Davey does, and I'd be fine with it.Over to you, Keith.
Quote from: scawsby steve on November 17, 2022, 05:58:26 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 16, 2022, 11:18:33 pmOf course I'm not taking that deal.Anyone who genuinely cares about the future of this country should always be prepared to look at the consequences of the decisions we make.Do you think we should just close our eyes and ears to the issue?It looks like Keith has, seeing as he's told us all to move on from it.You see I'm struggling here to understand why, if the EU is so economically wonderful, and we're in such sh*t because we've left, Keith doesn't want us to re-join. Ed Davey does, and I'd be fine with it.Over to you, Keith.I explained why here in detail https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=283698.msg1200219#msg1200219You obviously didn't read it before you replied.
SSTo be honest Starmer can't make the decision to rejoin the EU because the EU won't allow it. I doubt very much that the EU will want a disruptive UK back in the fold until there is clear evidence that there is widespread and deep support within the country for it and that the UK rejoining will be acceptable to nations like France who may well be sceptical about it.It's interesting that Sunak has floated the idea of a Swiss type of arrangement. I think he and Hunt would like to soften this Brexit.Whether that happens or not there is absolutely no incentive for Starmer to reopen the can of worms that is Brexit. Be under no illusion, it would tear the political consensus apart again and we'd be back to years of chaos and disruption. The country isn't in any kind of state to go through that kind of upheaval again.
Quote from: River Don on November 22, 2022, 06:25:50 pmSSTo be honest Starmer can't make the decision to rejoin the EU because the EU won't allow it. I doubt very much that the EU will want a disruptive UK back in the fold until there is clear evidence that there is widespread and deep support within the country for it and that the UK rejoining will be acceptable to nations like France who may well be sceptical about it.It's interesting that Sunak has floated the idea of a Swiss type of arrangement. I think he and Hunt would like to soften this Brexit.Whether that happens or not there is absolutely no incentive for Starmer to reopen the can of worms that is Brexit. Be under no illusion, it would tear the political consensus apart again and we'd be back to years of chaos and disruption. The country isn't in any kind of state to go through that kind of upheaval again.What? Re-enter an EU institution without a referendum? How undemocratic can you get?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2022, 07:42:40 pmQuote from: River Don on November 22, 2022, 06:25:50 pmSSTo be honest Starmer can't make the decision to rejoin the EU because the EU won't allow it. I doubt very much that the EU will want a disruptive UK back in the fold until there is clear evidence that there is widespread and deep support within the country for it and that the UK rejoining will be acceptable to nations like France who may well be sceptical about it.It's interesting that Sunak has floated the idea of a Swiss type of arrangement. I think he and Hunt would like to soften this Brexit.Whether that happens or not there is absolutely no incentive for Starmer to reopen the can of worms that is Brexit. Be under no illusion, it would tear the political consensus apart again and we'd be back to years of chaos and disruption. The country isn't in any kind of state to go through that kind of upheaval again.What? Re-enter an EU institution without a referendum? How undemocratic can you get? Brexit was never well defined, it wouldn't matter.
How about this then Brexiteershttps://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1594672776639651841?t=UrDy08F8jNH5x4q21QaWQ&s=19'The biggest problem we have is stopping people coming across in dinghies'F**k me sideways. This bloke's our PM.
Liars or idiots.https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1594622491611234305?t=tGnHvWNk7fJfhfs8NYmZnA&s=02
Quote from: tommy toes on November 24, 2022, 08:34:18 pmLiars or idiots.https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1594622491611234305?t=tGnHvWNk7fJfhfs8NYmZnA&s=02So taking in what we know, that receipts to treasury are down around 40bn/annum and what that lot and others told the world what would and would and wouldn't happen and got it totally wrong by no other organisation than the OBR then you'd think there would be a huge slice of humble pie waiting for all of them, no.Take farage (please) broker, financial advisor, still banging the brexit drum if a smidge less loudly, why would you go to someone like him that couldn't/wouldn't see the simple fact that while 27 countries in the EU lost a single trading partner (admittedly quite a large one) whereas the UK lost access to trade from 27 countries? tell me why you would put your financial future in the hands of any brexiter that refuses to admit they got it wrong? Forget the politics this is an question of economics.
Beaches in UK could be stripped of their Blue Flag status (which measures cleanliness and quality & achieved under EU's clean water directive) due to massive increase in pollution (allowed by UK gov 'scrapping EU laws' and allowing discharge of sewage into rivers and onto beaches).Story brought to you by a newspaper that campaign for this to happen:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11471013/Britains-Blue-Flag-beaches-STRIPPED-status-sewage.html
Quote from: SydneyRover on November 26, 2022, 04:29:36 amQuote from: tommy toes on November 24, 2022, 08:34:18 pmLiars or idiots.https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1594622491611234305?t=tGnHvWNk7fJfhfs8NYmZnA&s=02So taking in what we know, that receipts to treasury are down around 40bn/annum and what that lot and others told the world what would and would and wouldn't happen and got it totally wrong by no other organisation than the OBR then you'd think there would be a huge slice of humble pie waiting for all of them, no.Take farage (please) broker, financial advisor, still banging the brexit drum if a smidge less loudly, why would you go to someone like him that couldn't/wouldn't see the simple fact that while 27 countries in the EU lost a single trading partner (admittedly quite a large one) whereas the UK lost access to trade from 27 countries? tell me why you would put your financial future in the hands of any brexiter that refuses to admit they got it wrong? Forget the politics this is an question of economics.Syd, I know you don't do answers, but I'll ask the question anyway.What do you think Keith meant when he said "It's time for us all to move on now from Brexit"?
Quote from: scawsby steve on November 26, 2022, 09:21:22 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on November 26, 2022, 04:29:36 amQuote from: tommy toes on November 24, 2022, 08:34:18 pmLiars or idiots.https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1594622491611234305?t=tGnHvWNk7fJfhfs8NYmZnA&s=02So taking in what we know, that receipts to treasury are down around 40bn/annum and what that lot and others told the world what would and would and wouldn't happen and got it totally wrong by no other organisation than the OBR then you'd think there would be a huge slice of humble pie waiting for all of them, no.Take farage (please) broker, financial advisor, still banging the brexit drum if a smidge less loudly, why would you go to someone like him that couldn't/wouldn't see the simple fact that while 27 countries in the EU lost a single trading partner (admittedly quite a large one) whereas the UK lost access to trade from 27 countries? tell me why you would put your financial future in the hands of any brexiter that refuses to admit they got it wrong? Forget the politics this is an question of economics.Syd, I know you don't do answers, but I'll ask the question anyway.What do you think Keith meant when he said "It's time for us all to move on now from Brexit"?As with many Steve you appear to be a bit politically naive, I will indulge you again, although not sure why I should bother as you are full of accusations but rarely ever reply to my questions aye?Starmer is trying to take power, but because of the fickle nature of those that should know better, those that would rather lose the next election than support someone that doesn't fit their ideal he has to court the centre. If he makes the merest suggestion of bringing a reversal of brexit back into play the right wing media will ignore the corrupt governments of the past 12 years and tear labour to bits. It has been explained on here many times by others, what is it a politics you don't understand Steve?
Cracking performance by the Re-Join EU candidate in the Chester by election , a real mandate there Chester is hardly the red wall either given its electoral history .As you were ............
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 03, 2022, 01:47:03 pmCracking performance by the Re-Join EU candidate in the Chester by election , a real mandate there Chester is hardly the red wall either given its electoral history .As you were ............Why do you do this? What purpose does it serve you.You WON! You, you personally, gave Johnson and Rees-Mogg and Gove and Arab the mandate they needed.You won.Can't you be happy with that? Do you have to keep fighting the old battle?
Nothing worse than an ungracious winner. I'm surprised you've not given us your opinion on the Labour performance though. You never seem short of an opinion on Labour.