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I feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .All trade deals are a compromise.
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.
Quote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?
Quote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.
So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.
Easy for Michael Caine to say that, when he's never going to be a poor servant.I humbly suggest that those who say this is about principle rather than wealth have not internalised what a 10% loss in GDP over an extended period will mean to their day to day lives.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.How on earth can what the french believe be irrelevant in trade negotiations when we will shortly have control over our waters as to who fishes here and more to the point where that fish is sold .It's also relevant because the UK exports the fish it catches and imports the fish we eat .That's called trade I believe .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?
Quote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.Many people who voted leave aren't bothered about economics , it's the one thing remainers have never got .They are more concerned about their culture and communities and democracy getting upheld .In other words economics is a bystander by comparison to their culture and communities .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 06:11:51 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.Many people who voted leave aren't bothered about economics , it's the one thing remainers have never got .They are more concerned about their culture and communities and democracy getting upheld .In other words economics is a bystander by comparison to their culture and communities .The Four Freedoms that YOU said were they reasons people voted they way they did are all economic freedoms...yet you now say economics wasn't why they voted at all! You can't even keep your own story straight.If people are more concerned about their culture, they should take their televisions and their DVD and music collections and BURN them. British culture is most under attack from American culture than any other country's culture on Earth. And they aren't even living in this country.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 08:18:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 06:11:51 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.Many people who voted leave aren't bothered about economics , it's the one thing remainers have never got .They are more concerned about their culture and communities and democracy getting upheld .In other words economics is a bystander by comparison to their culture and communities .The Four Freedoms that YOU said were they reasons people voted they way they did are all economic freedoms...yet you now say economics wasn't why they voted at all! You can't even keep your own story straight.If people are more concerned about their culture, they should take their televisions and their DVD and music collections and BURN them. British culture is most under attack from American culture than any other country's culture on Earth. And they aren't even living in this country.So you are saying that the free movement of goods , capital , services and people across the EU zone has no affect on communities or culture and only brings economic prosperity ? .If that's what you believe then no wonder you lost the referendum .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 06:11:51 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.Many people who voted leave aren't bothered about economics , it's the one thing remainers have never got .They are more concerned about their culture and communities and democracy getting upheld .In other words economics is a bystander by comparison to their culture and communities .The Four Freedoms that YOU said were they reasons people voted they way they did are all economic freedoms...yet you now say economics wasn't why they voted at all! You can't even keep your own story straight.If people are more concerned about their culture, they should take their televisions and their DVD and music collections and BURN them. British culture is most under attack from American culture than any other country's culture on Earth. And they aren't even living in this country.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.Many people who voted leave aren't bothered about economics , it's the one thing remainers have never got .They are more concerned about their culture and communities and democracy getting upheld .In other words economics is a bystander by comparison to their culture and communities .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?
Quote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.
Quote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 05:57:59 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 04:23:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:52:52 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 22, 2020, 02:40:38 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 02:09:45 pmQuote from: Janso on November 22, 2020, 01:40:47 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on November 22, 2020, 12:26:05 pmI feel a capitulation coming from Johnson leaving us with a situation that we may as well have stayed in when you dig down in to the weeds and assess the deal .There's going to be some very angry people in my opinion .We voted to leave not compromise .But therein lies the problem. Nobody knew what "Leave" was back in 2016, and you're not telling me everyone who voted Leave voted for no deal.They voted against the four freedoms Janso and any alignment to that with a trade deal is treachery of the highest order in my opinion .WTF has a post-Brexit trade deal got to do with the Single Market Freedoms? F**k all as far as I can see. Still, if in your mind it means that we have no post-Brexit trade deals whatsoever - with anybody, because they're always a compromise - as long as you're happy for the entire economy to go tits up as a result, who cares?So why do the French believe they have the same access to our waters as they did whilst we were members of the EU ? .The economy going tits up is another interesting one , the economy goes tits up at regular intervals , did in the 80's , the 90's , 2008 and will do multiple times again .Membership of the EU doesn't shield you from anything as far as I can see .What the French believe is irrelevant, so I don't care why they think it. It's nothing to do with a trade deal whatsoever, so how about sticking to the subject?As for economic slumps, yes, economies go in cycles. Up and down. Damaging your own economy on a permanent basis isn't part of an economic cycle.How on earth can what the french believe be irrelevant in trade negotiations when we will shortly have control over our waters as to who fishes here and more to the point where that fish is sold .It's also relevant because the UK exports the fish it catches and imports the fish we eat .That's called trade I believe .We're talking about deals, not negotiations.PS We've already sold control of our waters so, no, we won't get it back like you think we will. It certainly isn't up for any negotiations.