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Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 04, 2017, 08:23:16 pmThere's one thing that seems to have been overlooked....how will today's omnishambles have been viewed by the EU and their negotiators?I don't think they will have been overly surprised given what's gone before.
There's one thing that seems to have been overlooked....how will today's omnishambles have been viewed by the EU and their negotiators?
Hoola. To be fair, I don’t think anyone on the EU side is smiling. Nothing good is going to come out of this for anyone. But they are absolutely right to stick to the demand that the three pre-requisites are dealt with. The EU didn’t call or lose this vote. We did it and we have to face up to the consequences, not simply ignore them and then say “Can we have a REALLY good deal to make us well off please.”
Quote from: Muttley on December 04, 2017, 08:46:47 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 04, 2017, 08:23:16 pmThere's one thing that seems to have been overlooked....how will today's omnishambles have been viewed by the EU and their negotiators?I don't think they will have been overly surprised given what's gone before.Surely they'll be asking themselves why they're even bothering to waste their time negotiating with the UK Government team about the Irish border when it looks from this that it's the DUP making the decisions, not Teresa May's people.
My guess is we will ALL end up in the CU with regulatory divergence
Quote from: hoolahoop on December 05, 2017, 05:57:04 amMy guess is we will ALL end up in the CU with regulatory divergenceStill living in blind hope that we'll just say f**k it and give it up as a bad job.
And dead on cue...https://mobile.twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/937972391577341952Presumably "regulatory alignment" is the current code phrase for "we stay in the SM and CU."
Surely your country would not be daft enough to pay the €50 billion if there is no deal? I am referring to the distinct possibility that everything will be renegotiated now.Unless Mrs May has an ace up her sleeve the EU May insist you have another referendum. You might face another GE or a change of Tory leadership at the very least.
Well BST no one really knows why €50bilion or any other figure or indeed a rebate for that matter because Brussels have not ever shown any proper accounts. It appears, in the absence of any public information from either side, that this would certainly be a matter of negotiation. It seemed Mrs May and her team just pulled that amount from her hat before any proper talks had even started.The British public and indeed the rest of Europe must be getting very annoyed at this procrastination and delay after their vote to was leave the EU.
GlynAs far as I know no-one on either side has spelled out exactly what our obligations are- an itemised bill, if you like. Until you get that (if ever) the "Divorce Bill" is a matter for negotiations. I suspect if we get into the "No Deal" scenario that the money the UK pays will be considerably less than £50bn. Although we are a long way from that.
The British public and indeed the rest of Europe must be getting very annoyed at this procrastination and delay after their vote to was leave the EU.
Quote from: The Red Baron on December 05, 2017, 01:10:48 pmGlynAs far as I know no-one on either side has spelled out exactly what our obligations are- an itemised bill, if you like. Until you get that (if ever) the "Divorce Bill" is a matter for negotiations. I suspect if we get into the "No Deal" scenario that the money the UK pays will be considerably less than £50bn. Although we are a long way from that.The EU has done an itemised bill. We're trying to haggle with them, that's what the 'negotiations' amount to.
When are people going to realise that if we try and walk away without coughing up what we're contracted to, then the list of countries that will be 'lining up to have a trade deal' with a country that unilaterally breaks deals at the drop of a hat is going to be very short.
Quote from: RedJ on December 05, 2017, 09:10:48 amQuote from: hoolahoop on December 05, 2017, 05:57:04 amMy guess is we will ALL end up in the CU with regulatory divergenceStill living in blind hope that we'll just say f**k it and give it up as a bad job.You too as well Red J - great to see you have come round to the idea.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42249854This is quite simply beyond belief. We’re more than half way through the most important national negotiation since WWII and the Govt hasn’t conducted an assessment of the consequences of different outcomes?How in God’s name do you negotiate if you don’t know the possible outcomes?