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Like the EU helped the British motor industry when BMW screwed over Rover?[/quotOh you mean like when Bayer bought out ICI and then shut all is factories down making us reliant on German produced Medication!
Like the EU helped the British motor industry when BMW screwed over Rover?
I voted leave for the long term benefit of my country, unlike I suspect most remainers who voted for short term perceived benefit in their wallets. True patriots eh?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on November 20, 2018, 04:39:31 pmLike the EU helped the British motor industry when BMW screwed over Rover?[/quotOh you mean like when Bayer bought out ICI and then shut all is factories down making us reliant on German produced Medication!Remind me when that happened.
BoomstickYou really haven't got a clue have you? I don't know where you get this comic book concept of what people on the Left believe, but it is infantile in the extreme.And a weak economic argument? You reckon the projected loss of £150bn economic output every single year is a weak case? You reckon it won't affect South Yorkshire? You are away with the fairies man. South Yorkshire and the post-industrial North will be the first regions to be hit and will be hit harder and for longer than anywhere else. Just as we have been in every economic slump in living memory.Where do you think our jobs and our livings come from? Why do you think they would be protected from the sort of economic hit that usually only comes from losing a major war?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on November 20, 2018, 04:39:31 pmLike the EU helped the British motor industry when BMW screwed over Rover?[/quotOh you mean like when Bayer bought out ICI and then shut all is factories down making us reliant on German produced Medication!
Boomstick. You really need to get over these infant school stereotypes. Meet some real people. Talk to them. Listen to them. There's a complex world out there.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on November 20, 2018, 03:41:45 pmI voted leave for the long term benefit of my country, unlike I suspect most remainers who voted for short term perceived benefit in their wallets. True patriots eh?Our country or London? The EU supports farmers, the EU gives funding to areas like ours so we can have developments like Cast. The British government gives us austerity, in turn shit load of homeless people on our streets, the British government gives us the shambles that is Northern Rail.
Perhaps if our industries were a bit better run, we might be in a position to takeover a few in Germany.
Are these the same businesses that we are all supposed to listen to and bow down to because they know best about what Brexit deal we should have?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/221747Get signed up for this.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on November 21, 2018, 01:05:44 pmhttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/221747Get signed up for this. Only the brain dead would sign that. Seems there's at least 44,526 brain dead people already!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on November 21, 2018, 03:49:17 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on November 21, 2018, 01:05:44 pmhttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/221747Get signed up for this. Only the brain dead would sign that. Seems there's at least 44,526 brain dead people already! Are you? It makes me laugh that you remainiacs seem to believe that your views are held by the majority in the country, when they are clearly not. You have had your EU love in for the past forty odd years, but even that is not enough. you want to inflict even more decades of pain on us.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 20, 2018, 12:50:17 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 11:07:10 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 20, 2018, 09:41:05 amQuote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 07:56:33 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.The difference is that the public would be able to say which of the versions of Leave being argued about (or otherwise) they want. Because the question would the different and therefore it isn't the same referendum being run.Ok, thanks.However, if the politicians themselves can’t agree on which is the best option how can the less well informed public make a decision on which is best.Ignorance of the electorate is no objection to the validity of the 2016 vote though, is it?No of course not, but I see that you are avoiding answering the questions.Are you indeed a politician.
Quote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 11:07:10 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 20, 2018, 09:41:05 amQuote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 07:56:33 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.The difference is that the public would be able to say which of the versions of Leave being argued about (or otherwise) they want. Because the question would the different and therefore it isn't the same referendum being run.Ok, thanks.However, if the politicians themselves can’t agree on which is the best option how can the less well informed public make a decision on which is best.Ignorance of the electorate is no objection to the validity of the 2016 vote though, is it?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 20, 2018, 09:41:05 amQuote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 07:56:33 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.The difference is that the public would be able to say which of the versions of Leave being argued about (or otherwise) they want. Because the question would the different and therefore it isn't the same referendum being run.Ok, thanks.However, if the politicians themselves can’t agree on which is the best option how can the less well informed public make a decision on which is best.
Quote from: drfchound on November 20, 2018, 07:56:33 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.The difference is that the public would be able to say which of the versions of Leave being argued about (or otherwise) they want. Because the question would the different and therefore it isn't the same referendum being run.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 18, 2018, 11:33:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.Glyn, isn’t that where we are now though.We currently have leave and various groups are trying to argue their case for a specific version of leave.No difference as far as I can see.So back to my question, what would be the difference if a second vote still came up with leave.Glyn to respond please.
Quote from: drfchound on November 18, 2018, 09:50:11 pmHere is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.The question wouldn't be just 'Leave' though. It'd be for a specific version of 'Leave'.
Here is a question for our resident specialist political posters.I keep hearing that we have three options available to us, one being a new referendum.If it did go to another vote and somehow turned out to still be “leave” what would the situation be then.Obviously we would still proceed with leave but what would then happen about a deal or no deal.Would it be any different from the position it is currently.
One benefit would be to sit back and watch serious harm come to the German car industry.
If there are no BMW's in the UK what will all the t**ts drive?
Only a maniac would believe that there’s no risks to leaving the EU. However I really hoped that, as a country, we would be brave enough and show the endeavour required to make it a success. But we’re not, nowhere near. Here’s a tangible exampleAround a year ago I was doing some work for a SME organisation in the West Midlands and the M.D. of that organisation was telling me how they’re continually being undercut by cheaper rivals in the EU. He was incredibly frustrated that he was unable to substantially extend his market outside of Europe, particularly into the US due to EU competition & trade rules. His opinion was the EU isn’t a level playing field so saw real opportunities once we left. Unfortunately, it seems that what could have been a fantastic opportunity for UK organisations such as this one, we’re making such a hash of it that nobody is going to benefit! Consequently, if this is the best that our government can do then we’re better off in. Instead, all we’re getting are two groups of people shouting “I’m right” at each other.
QuotePerhaps if our industries were a bit better run, we might be in a position to takeover a few in Germany. Quote from: Axholme Lion on November 21, 2018, 09:08:27 amAre these the same businesses that we are all supposed to listen to and bow down to because they know best about what Brexit deal we should have? Perhaps you should read this and understand why our industries lag behind France and Germany etc.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/marshall_01.shtml