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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: brim1980 on April 12, 2021, 05:02:40 pm
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/recruitment-process-underway/
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/recruitment-process-underway/?fbclid=IwAR1DEKiAr9TXSKkE-PRIFoRFjVbYZKAZdRf33HjJUIpF93ok71x1nLlRVkQ
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This is good to see. The statement offers reassurances around Butler’s immediate future, and affords him the respect he deserves (that too many of our fans fail to show) in welcoming his application.
Credit to the club for starting the process at a good time that will allow for pre-season planning and hopefully put us in a stronger position than we’ve been in previous summers.
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This appears to be a good, logical course of action given the position the club is in at the moment.
They tried with AB (which most people hoped would work out) but it hasn’t so here we are.
This season is now over but as someone said in another thread, let’s use this time wisely and get ahead of next season.
This allows a thorough recruitment process that’s worked well in the past and has them in place ready for the summer transfer window.
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This is a statement that should’ve been made the day after Moore left
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This is a statement that should’ve been made the day after Moore left
Agree with that, but at least it is a positive amongst all the shite we have suffered recentley. Hope Daniel Stendel reads the ad
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This is a statement that should’ve been made the day after Moore left
It wouldn’t have made that much difference from where we are now to be fair. Credit to the club for getting on the front foot at this point. I backed the Butler appointment at the time and fully understood the reasons. I really wanted it to work (and still do) but this is the best course of action we can take from the position we’re in now.
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This is a statement that should’ve been made the day after Moore left
Slightly strange timing. Probably wanted Butler to take the decision out of their hands.
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Which is why AB was given to the end of the season to see if it did work out. It hssn't so the process starts now
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I just think if we’d said this statement at the time rather than announcing he had it until the end of the season. Butler could have applied and he would’ve been the front runner but now the results have been as bad as they have been we would’ve been in a position of appointing the new manager now or a couple of weeks ago rather than in another month.
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If he didn’t already know it, Butler will now must realise he’s not getting the job
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Hope Daniel Stendel reads the ad
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Why is it taking 21 days to shortlist, interview and appoint? Surely could all be done for the 5th May.
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Could they add 'integrity' to the job description?! :chair:
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If he didn’t already know it, Butler will now must realise he’s not getting the job
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-open-recruitment-process-for-new-manager-3197948
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Those with a penchant for f**king off, need not apply
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If he didn’t already know it, Butler will now must realise he’s not getting the job
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-open-recruitment-process-for-new-manager-3197948
They can invite me to apply, but I won’t get it
He also doesn’t meet the second criteria
“ A proven record of accomplishment of securing results on the field”
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Wellens will get it.
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"Must not have scales and the ability to shed whole body skin at once."
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If he didn’t already know it, Butler will now must realise he’s not getting the job
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-open-recruitment-process-for-new-manager-3197948
They can invite me to apply, but I won’t get it
He also doesn’t meet the second criteria
“ A proven record of accomplishment of securing results on the field”
Yes he does, or are you forgetting his playing career? Actually, don’t bother answering that as it’s obvious that you have.
Look, I think it’s pretty clear that we’re going to look elsewhere at this point. But do we really need you to continue with your sequence of insulting digs at one of the most committed players we’ve had in recent times?
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If he didn’t already know it, Butler will now must realise he’s not getting the job
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-open-recruitment-process-for-new-manager-3197948
They can invite me to apply, but I won’t get it
He also doesn’t meet the second criteria
“ A proven record of accomplishment of securing results on the field”
Yes he does, or are you forgetting his playing career? Actually, don’t bother answering that as it’s obvious that you have.
Look, I think it’s pretty clear that we’re going to look elsewhere at this point. But do we really need you to continue with your sequence of insulting digs at one of the most committed players we’ve had in recent times?
Whats insulting about pointing out he doesn’t meet a specific criteria in a job application?
His playing career is irrelevant to the Job Spec
There is no sentiment in football, as we know too well with how our last three managers have conducted themselves, we shouldn’t let his playing career cloud our judgement when looking for the right man
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Will be interesting to see the names the bookies come up with.
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Wellens will get it.
Brave shout, but no chance.
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"Must not have scales and the ability to shed whole body skin at once."
Or the ability to fend off a mongoose.
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Stendel for me. Right fit.
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Wellens will get it.
Brave shout, but no chance.
That’s a shame to see that. He potentially ticks a lot of boxes, he’s available and he’s publicly stated he’d like to manage us one day. I’m hoping we pick the best candidate, and that whether people liked him when he played here doesn’t come into it.
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Wellens will get it.
Brave shout, but no chance.
That’s a shame to see that. He potentially ticks a lot of boxes, he’s available and he’s publicly stated he’d like to manage us one day. I’m hoping we pick the best candidate, and that whether people liked him when he played here doesn’t come into it.
Shame as he would've been my pick.
Not doubting it for one minute SM but why "no chance?"
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Wellens will get it.
Brave shout, but no chance.
Assuming that's based on previous workings before he left last time, rather than in his managerial pedigree.
Not digging, just interested.
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Wellens will get it.
Brave shout, but no chance.
That surprises me that he wouldn’t be considered if he applied. I’ll take your word for it. He must be disliked by the decision makers then, mind you, leaving Swindon like he did won’t have done him any favours.
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Wellens will get it.
Brave shout, but no chance.
That surprises me that he wouldn’t be considered if he applied. I’ll take your word for it. He must be disliked by the decision makers then, mind you, leaving Swindon like he did won’t have done him any favours.
Wellens won’t get it. I spoke to someone yesterday who’s involved with the club and he said Wellens is too opinionated to get the job. He also had a scrap with Butler before he left which pretty much ruined any chance of him returning under the current regime
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We could do with players like Butler and Wellens now tbf. :laugh:
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Stendel for me. Right fit.
Would he get a UK work permit though?
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I must be missing something as most seem to have wriiten off AB’s chance of getting the job.
He ticks all the boxes IMO. Proven record with the Belles. Proven Leadership on the field. He knows and understands the club ethos.
Just because the team are not winning, does not mean he is not doing everything off field right.
I’m sure if he throws his hat in the ring he will have a lot of evidence to provide in interview.
It must be alot easier to manage a winning team.
It’s when teams are losing that managers prove themselves. And for all we know he is doing just that. It’s just not translating into results on pitch. There a lot goes on behind the scenes that us mere fans are unaware of.
Plus they are welcoming his application. He knows what’s bad in the team at the moment. He knows what is needed to change it.
He has a head start on any new incumbent.
I would not be at all surprised to see him in place as manager for next season.
Just my opinion.
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If we are already dismissing the possibility of Wellens then we truly have gone off the rails .
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Stendel really would help with season tickets out of everyone. I think it would be the best realistic appointment and a really good one.
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If we are already dismissing the possibility of Wellens then we truly have gone off the rails .
Why? Do you know him personally better than people who have already had to work with him?
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If we are already dismissing the possibility of Wellens then we truly have gone off the rails .
Why? Do you know him personally better than people who have already had to work with him?
Ask Coppinger. He knows him better than you, he’s worked with him, and he seems to like him.
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If we are already dismissing the possibility of Wellens then we truly have gone off the rails .
Why? Do you know him personally better than people who have already had to work with him?
Ask Coppinger. He knows him better than you, he’s worked with him, and he seems to like him.
I didn't know Copps was recruiting the next manager.
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Stendel is very unlikely. Tisdale for me I think.
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I must be missing something as most seem to have wriiten off AB’s chance of getting the job.
He ticks all the boxes IMO. Proven record with the Belles. Proven Leadership on the field. He knows and understands the club ethos.
Just because the team are not winning, does not mean he is not doing everything off field right.
I’m sure if he throws his hat in the ring he will have a lot of evidence to provide in interview.
It must be alot easier to manage a winning team.
It’s when teams are losing that managers prove themselves. And for all we know he is doing just that. It’s just not translating into results on pitch. There a lot goes on behind the scenes that us mere fans are unaware of.
Plus they are welcoming his application. He knows what’s bad in the team at the moment. He knows what is needed to change it.
He has a head start on any new incumbent.
I would not be at all surprised to see him in place as manager for next season.
Just my opinion.
Of course fans have written him off we are playing some of the worse football we have seen in a long time. Be an absolute stupid decision to give him it beyond this season.
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
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Leave him Jonathan it is such a fatuous statement which just illustrates he has not at all followed the Copps show with Wellens and if he has then he know another reason SM made the statement on the first place ..like boys sniggering behind their hands .
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I must be missing something...
Well 8 points out of the last 10 games, the blowing of our play-off chances, capitulations to relegation-threatened sides and a rumoured inability to rouse the dressing room might be factors.
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If we are already dismissing the possibility of Wellens then we truly have gone off the rails .
Why? Do you know him personally better than people who have already had to work with him?
Ask Coppinger. He knows him better than you, he’s worked with him, and he seems to like him.
I didn't know Copps was recruiting the next manager.
I didn’t know anyone on this forum was. But it hasn’t stopped you commenting on people that have worked with him. I was merely pointing out that there are people that have worked with him that like him.
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If we are already dismissing the possibility of Wellens then we truly have gone off the rails .
Which rails would that be then Brian?
As far as I'm aware I gave my opinion on RW, and it wasn't a collective 'we'.
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
Indeed. Dickov was the last manager we appointed because the chairman liked him.
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
We'll have hundreds of applications, we always do.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league, but the identification process weeds them out.
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Big h and rovers 91. Yes the results are bad, yes the performances are bad. No the team are not playing for each other. Believe me, I’ve paid to watch it, so I’ve seen it
But, and it’s a big but, if the board believe, which they are entitled to, that Butler is NOT at fault, then he has every chance of staying on.
It has been discussed at length on here that any manager , current or future can only work with what he has.
I just think it’s a bit short sighted and perhaps niaive to discount AB.
No prospective candidate at the moment knows the current DRFC better than AB. That counts. Again, this is just my opinion.
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
It'll be fairly high up, as will working with the CEO.
I fail to see how you could employ anyone in a senior management role who cannot work with the Chairman of the club, that would be lunacy.
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I didn’t say couldn’t work with though, all I meant is blunt can not like wellens but think he’d be a good manager for us at the same time.
It would be a tad egocentric to put your personal likes ahead of what’s best for the club.
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Leave him Jonathan it is such a fatuous statement which just illustrates he has not at all followed the Copps show with Wellens and if he has then he know another reason SM made the statement on the first place ..like boys sniggering behind their hands .
I don't know anything that's not already in the public domain.
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
We'll have hundreds of applications, we always do.
And last time, all of them went in the bin as soon as Gavin picked Moore's off the floor.
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Big h and rovers 91. Yes the results are bad, yes the performances are bad. No the team are not playing for each other. Believe me, I’ve paid to watch it, so I’ve seen it
But, and it’s a big but, if the board believe, which they are entitled to, that Butler is NOT at fault, then he has every chance of staying on.
It has been discussed at length on here that any manager , current or future can only work with what he has.
I just think it’s a bit short sighted and perhaps niaive to discount AB.
No prospective candidate at the moment knows the current DRFC better than AB. That counts. Again, this is just my opinion.
Fair enough.
I'm happy to keep an open mind and leave it to the Board. Let's face it, since Dickov left, no one has really quibbled over the three appointments that this Board has made. In fact, I recall each appointment being applauded by many...at the time.
What I find slightly bizarre is that all three managers ended up departing the club on their own terms. I can't think of anywhere else where that's happened.
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
We'll have hundreds of applications, we always do.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league, but the identification process weeds them out.
Do Rovers have a footballing philosophy at all?
Is there a style that the club would prefer that might meet a longer term stratergy or a way of playing and approach that wouldn't be acceptable?
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I’d like to see Neil Harris appointed good young manager, got millwall promoted and did a good job IMO Cardiff didn’t quite work but think would be a good appointment
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Keith Hill anyone?
Only on a short term contract at Tranmere until the end of the season.
I'm sure Tyke will have a view!
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league.
SM , are you saying that we have applications from Managers that are too good for us.
If so i find that bizarre.
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I’d like to see Neil Harris appointed good young manager, got millwall promoted and did a good job IMO Cardiff didn’t quite work but think would be a good appointment
Surely not our kind of style of play?
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
We'll have hundreds of applications, we always do.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league, but the identification process weeds them out.
Do Rovers have a footballing philosophy at all?
Is there a style that the club would prefer that might meet a longer term stratergy or a way of playing and approach that wouldn't be acceptable?
There's a whole criteria list that each candidate is measured against. Obviously football philosophy and being able to meet footballing objectives score highly on that list, along with other football specific points. There's another dozen or so requirements which carry various weight as well.
So to answer your question, yes certain approaches to how the game is played could rule somebody out.
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league.
SM , are you saying that we have applications from Managers that are too good for us.
If so i find that bizarre.
Yes I am. I don't know if I'm at liberty to share certain names, but you'd be surprised at some household names who've applied in the past only to be ruled out pretty quickly by their wage demands.
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league.
SM , are you saying that we have applications from Managers that are too good for us.
If so i find that bizarre.
Yes I am. I don't know if I'm at liberty to share certain names, but you'd be surprised at some household names who've applied in the past only to be ruled out pretty quickly by their wage demands.
For no tangible reason, I immediately thought of Sven after reading this.
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Stendel is very unlikely. Tisdale for me I think.
but Tisdale has done nothing since Exeter has he
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league.
SM , are you saying that we have applications from Managers that are too good for us.
If so i find that bizarre.
Yes I am. I don't know if I'm at liberty to share certain names, but you'd be surprised at some household names who've applied in the past only to be ruled out pretty quickly by their wage demands.
Would they be ruled out on an assumption of their demands, or ruled out because we’ve asked their demands?
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league.
SM , are you saying that we have applications from Managers that are too good for us.
If so i find that bizarre.
Yes I am. I don't know if I'm at liberty to share certain names, but you'd be surprised at some household names who've applied in the past only to be ruled out pretty quickly by their wage demands.
How much do they think they are going to get at a Medium size L1 club. :facepalm:
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We do the same at the company I work for people put what they expect to get for the job some are really out of touch expecting 5k to 10k a year more than what we pay so that rules them out straight away
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Stendel is very unlikely. Tisdale for me I think.
but Tisdale has done nothing since Exeter has he
Got MK Dons promoted?
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league.
SM , are you saying that we have applications from Managers that are too good for us.
If so i find that bizarre.
Yes I am. I don't know if I'm at liberty to share certain names, but you'd be surprised at some household names who've applied in the past only to be ruled out pretty quickly by their wage demands.
Wenger in!
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
We'll have hundreds of applications, we always do.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league, but the identification process weeds them out.
Do Rovers have a footballing philosophy at all?
Is there a style that the club would prefer that might meet a longer term stratergy or a way of playing and approach that wouldn't be acceptable?
There can’t be a philosophy because there’s no continuity to recruitment of footballing strategy in place. There’s nobody to set that strategy. It’s always down to the individual managers to run the footballing side of things. That’s the tail wagging the dog.
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Hoden implying we shouldn't rule wellens out just yet: https://twitter.com/liamhoden/status/1381703008149508096?s=19
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Wellens will get it.
Brave shout, but no chance.
Liam Hoden hasn't ruled him out.
"I said a few weeks ago that I’d be surprised to see Richie Wellens in any sort of coaching role at Rovers. Now I wouldn’t be as surprised. The door certainly is not closed."
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That means Wellens will have been on the blower to him saying I am applying.
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Stendel is very unlikely. Tisdale for me I think.
but Tisdale has done nothing since Exeter has he
Got MK Dons promoted?
He’s got a good record but that stint at Bristol Rovers this season was absolutely shocking.
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Bookies aren't taking punts yet but I'll be chucking a few quid on Stendel.
Basing that on absolutely nothing other than him being my favourite choice.
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What about Garry Monk out of work since last November, only 42 and has plenty of Yorkshire connections.
He has a lot of experience managing in the Championship and might fancy reigniting his career, maybe we could be a good fit for each other.
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What about Garry Monk out of work since last November, only 42 and has plenty of Yorkshire connections.
He has a lot of experience managing in the Championship and might fancy reigniting his career, maybe we could be a good fit for each other.
Absolutely not. Man's failed everywhere he's been and comes across as a right plum. He's almost in the Westley/Evans bracket for me.
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Wellens will get it.
Brave shout, but no chance.
Liam Hoden hasn't ruled him out.
"I said a few weeks ago that I’d be surprised to see Richie Wellens in any sort of coaching role at Rovers. Now I wouldn’t be as surprised. The door certainly is not closed."
Not sure that’s relevant as I’ve already said it’s my personal opinion.
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
It would be pretty high up in the criteria for a senior management role in every other company.
No chairman is going to appoint someone he doesn't like to a position with the responsibility for this level of spending and performance, anywhere, ever.
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league.
SM , are you saying that we have applications from Managers that are too good for us.
If so i find that bizarre.
Yes I am. I don't know if I'm at liberty to share certain names, but you'd be surprised at some household names who've applied in the past only to be ruled out pretty quickly by their wage demands.
Would they be ruled out on an assumption of their demands, or ruled out because we’ve asked their demands?
Is that a serious question?
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With the system Rovers have in place, open for applications rather then headhunting, it's very difficult to guess just who might be in contention.
And as we approach the end of the season there will be sackings, someone completely unexpected might go for it.
Some turn out to be completely out of our league.
SM , are you saying that we have applications from Managers that are too good for us.
If so i find that bizarre.
Yes I am. I don't know if I'm at liberty to share certain names, but you'd be surprised at some household names who've applied in the past only to be ruled out pretty quickly by their wage demands.
Would they be ruled out on an assumption of their demands, or ruled out because we’ve asked their demands?
Is that a serious question?
Yes, I don’t get why managers would apply when they would almost certainly know they would be out of our league, thats why I asked
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Possible candidates????
Dean Holden
Neil Harris
Alex neill
Up and coming managers ???
Mark bonner - Cambridge
Michael duff - Cheltenham
Michael Flynn - Newport
I’d be delighted if we went for Gareth ainsworth or John Coleman but I can’t see it
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Hopefully the chairman won’t let his personal feelings get in the way of the best interests of the club. There will be many candidates for the job I’m sure, but Wellens ought to be amongst them if he applies. Which I expect he will.
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If we are already dismissing the possibility of Wellens then we truly have gone off the rails .
Why? Do you know him personally better than people who have already had to work with him?
Ask Coppinger. He knows him better than you, he’s worked with him, and he seems to like him.
I didn't know Copps was recruiting the next manager.
Neither is graingerover.
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Possible candidates????
Dean Holden
Neil Harris
Alex neill
Up and coming managers ???
Mark bonner - Cambridge
Michael duff - Cheltenham
Michael Flynn - Newport
I’d be delighted if we went for Gareth ainsworth or John Coleman but I can’t see it
Do you have a thing for hoofball?
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Hopefully the chairman won’t let his personal feelings get in the way of the best interests of the club. There will be many candidates for the job I’m sure, but Wellens ought to be amongst them if he applies. Which I expect he will.
Assume then he does, if I was in on the selection process, I'd want to probe Wellens on why his time ended prematurely at Salford.
Not that we should always believe in gossip but there appears to have been a disagreement on principle there. OK, we understand managers may have footballing principles but you wouldn't want a manager throwing his teddies out of the pram if he doesn't agree with the guidelines laid down by his employers. In any form of work you have to have a certain respect and toe the line on many things.
Would not be wise to assume Wellens is the ideal candidate.
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Hopefully the chairman won’t let his personal feelings get in the way of the best interests of the club. There will be many candidates for the job I’m sure, but Wellens ought to be amongst them if he applies. Which I expect he will.
Assume then he does, if I was in on the selection process, I'd want to probe Wellens on why his time ended prematurely at Salford.
Not that we should always believe in gossip but there appears to have been a disagreement on principle there. OK, we understand managers may have footballing principles but you wouldn't want a manager throwing his teddies out of the pram if he doesn't agree with the guidelines laid down by his employers. In any form of work you have to have a certain respect and toe the line on many things.
Would not be wise to assume Wellens is the ideal candidate.
I wouldn't want our chairman or owner telling our manager how they should be playing. If they wanted to play a different way then they should have hired a manager that was that way inclined.
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Just to throw a different name out there - how about Dino Maamria? He always seems really positive and is helping Burton play decent football
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Possible candidates????
Dean Holden
Neil Harris
Alex neill
Up and coming managers ???
Mark bonner - Cambridge
Michael duff - Cheltenham
Michael Flynn - Newport
I’d be delighted if we went for Gareth ainsworth or John Coleman but I can’t see it
Do you have a thing for hoofball?
If we get results then I’m not bothered , we’ve hardly had a style since McCann and at least Moore got results which we weren’t complaining about in the current comprehensive lack of form
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Stendel is very unlikely. Tisdale for me I think.
but Tisdale has done nothing since Exeter has he
Got MK Dons promoted?
He’s got a good record but that stint at Bristol Rovers this season was absolutely shocking.
Given time and the right environment he will be class. He’s SoD mk II. Parachuting mid season in to BR with an in balanced squad and a set up behind the scenes hindering any progress was defiantly a pretty impossible job for someone like him. He’s a manager that really does have a philosophy and with a full preseason and the ability to bring in some of his own players, he would do well. He’s not a quick fix merchant.
Listened to his interviews when he was at the Gas, very good.
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
It would be pretty high up in the criteria for a senior management role in every other company.
No chairman is going to appoint someone he doesn't like to a position with the responsibility for this level of spending and performance, anywhere, ever.
Does a chairman of a football club really do that much? Other than chair meetings?
I’d imagine gavin and TB wouldn’t allow blunt to poo poo a manager just because he doesn’t like him.
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
It would be pretty high up in the criteria for a senior management role in every other company.
No chairman is going to appoint someone he doesn't like to a position with the responsibility for this level of spending and performance, anywhere, ever.
Does a chairman of a football club really do that much? Other than chair meetings?
I’d imagine gavin and TB wouldn’t allow blunt to poo poo a manager just because he doesn’t like him.
I think the only person suggesting that DB has a problem with a managerial candidate is you. Not sure where you’ve got that from.
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Keith Hill anyone?
Only on a short term contract at Tranmere until the end of the season.
I'm sure Tyke will have a view!
No please not Keith!!
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Keith Hill anyone?
Only on a short term contract at Tranmere until the end of the season.
I'm sure Tyke will have a view!
No please not Keith!!
I'm inclined to agree. Always comes across as someone who'd sell you a car where the front and back ends didn't start out together.
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Quite like the idea of Neil Harris of those mentioned recently.
Look at what Lee Johnson has gone and done at Sunderland, an appointment of that style would be good. A younger guy with plenty of experience.
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Don’t think the board felt it was the right time to push for promotion after DM left, because I am sure any club in our league position when DM did depart, they would have appointed a manager straight away like any normal club would have done so.
I still can’t get my head around why it takes the board weeks/months to appoint a manager, however good news.
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They got this one wrong. It happens in life. They've now realised that and doing something about it at least. Very annoying as what was a great season potentially gone now.
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Don’t think the board felt it was the right time to push for promotion after DM left, because I am sure any club in our league position when DM did depart, they would have appointed a manager straight away like any normal club would have done so.
They did - they appointed AB until the end of the season...... and I dare say if we had got promoted, they would have extended it.
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David Blunt as only the casting vote if its a draw (as Chairman)
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Don’t think the board felt it was the right time to push for promotion after DM left, because I am sure any club in our league position when DM did depart, they would have appointed a manager straight away like any normal club would have done so.
I still can’t get my head around why it takes the board weeks/months to appoint a manager, however good news.
I can see the logic behind it to be fair. They were clearly aiming for minimum disruption and wanted to just get someone in who knows the players and can get to work from day one. Obviously it didn't work out like that but I think most of us were hopeful it would at the time.
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I wonder if this thread should now go into the rumours section? There are bound to be loads of speculation and names being bandied about most if not all with no substance behind them JMHO
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If we can't get Stendel, I hope Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink comes to The Keepmoat tonight, looks around at the stadium, the dressing rooms, the facilities & if on this occasion the team can put on a performance, he might just think on the bus home to Burton 'Mmm, I think I could do something at that club'.
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The last 2 Managers appointed by the board were tapped up by 2 so called ‘bigger clubs’. That tells me that the board know what they’re doing when it comes to choosing Managers. I’m happy to let them get on with it.
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How much money on someone finding fault with whoever the club choose?
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
It would be pretty high up in the criteria for a senior management role in every other company.
No chairman is going to appoint someone he doesn't like to a position with the responsibility for this level of spending and performance, anywhere, ever.
Does a chairman of a football club really do that much? Other than chair meetings?
I’d imagine gavin and TB wouldn’t allow blunt to poo poo a manager just because he doesn’t like him.
I think the only person suggesting that DB has a problem with a managerial candidate is you. Not sure where you’ve got that from.
It’s been suggested earlier in the thread, not by me.
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
It would be pretty high up in the criteria for a senior management role in every other company.
No chairman is going to appoint someone he doesn't like to a position with the responsibility for this level of spending and performance, anywhere, ever.
Does a chairman of a football club really do that much? Other than chair meetings?
I’d imagine gavin and TB wouldn’t allow blunt to poo poo a manager just because he doesn’t like him.
I think the only person suggesting that DB has a problem with a managerial candidate is you. Not sure where you’ve got that from.
It’s been suggested earlier in the thread, not by me.
I think you need to read the thread again, nobody mentioned the Chairman at all, just you.
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Someone mentioned Butler having a fall out with Wellens.
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If I had to give a name right now as to who I think would apply, be a suitable candidate and stand a good chance of getting the job; I'd say Neil Harris.
Been thinking it'll be someone like him for the past few days now and as he has been mentioned on this thread, I think it makes sense for the board: young, Championship experience, not in work.
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David Blunt as only the casting vote if its a draw (as Chairman)
Are you sure you're not getting confused with Strictly Come Dancing?
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Whether our chairman gets on with someone shouldn’t be high up in the criteria
It would be pretty high up in the criteria for a senior management role in every other company.
No chairman is going to appoint someone he doesn't like to a position with the responsibility for this level of spending and performance, anywhere, ever.
Does a chairman of a football club really do that much? Other than chair meetings?
I’d imagine gavin and TB wouldn’t allow blunt to poo poo a manager just because he doesn’t like him.
I think the only person suggesting that DB has a problem with a managerial candidate is you. Not sure where you’ve got that from.
It’s been suggested earlier in the thread, not by me.
I think you need to read the thread again, nobody mentioned the Chairman at all, just you.
A number of posts before mine regarding the decision makers not liking wellens,
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
Stendel with AB as his assistant.
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What about Paul Heckingbottom? Will possibly be out of work soon if not retained by Sheff Utd in some capacity and has plenty of experience.
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
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Out of interest , how have bookies odds compared with reality in our recent managerial appointments ?
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Interesting to see copps on there. He has no interest in coaching/ managing by all accounts.
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Phil Parkinson is someone who is likely to apply.
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
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Roy Keane. Now that would be interesting. I love listening to his post match analysis. He would not suffer fools............
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Roy Keane. Now that would be interesting. I love listening to his post match analysis. He would not suffer fools............
He always seems to be in the betting, didn't he shoot to one of the favourites when we appointed DM?
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
That’s only till the end of the season.
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Darren Moore was at 9/1 when we appointed him beforehand.
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Roy Keane. Now that would be interesting. I love listening to his post match analysis. He would not suffer fools............
Too disruptive, he wouldn't be long before falling out with someone senior at the club.
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Roy Keane is always in the betting for some reason. There is more chance of Sammy Chung coming back, I'd have thought.
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Roy Keane. Now that would be interesting. I love listening to his post match analysis. He would not suffer fools............
He never says anything intelligent or constructive though does he. Always the same rubbish he spouts about people being soft.
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Mike Newell??
Erm no thanks.
Rosler might be worth a £5
Wonder if the club get inundated with applications from overseas coaches looking to work in England, or is just the usual suspects. Reason why i ask is not many on that list actually appeal to me.
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Mike Newell??
Erm no thanks.
Rosler might be worth a £5
Wonder if the club get inundated with applications from overseas coaches looking to work in England, or is just the usual suspects. Reason why i ask is not many on that list actually appeal to me.
There's probably not many who can get a work permit.
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Interesting to see copps on there. He has no interest in coaching/ managing by all accounts.
But according to some on here, the bookies always set their odds because they know something!
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When Moore got the job I was told by what I considered to be a very good source that Phil Parkinson as in the reckoning. Subsequent comparing of notes with Liam Hoden suggests that my source was nowhere near as good as I thought. Parkinson would be a good fit for us as a club against the criteria set out though.
I'm hoping that Chris Coleman is ready for a return to management, though suspect his wage expectation wouldn't tally with what we'd offer, unless he was willing to reign things in. It didn't work for him at Sunderland (but then they were an absolute basket case when he went there), but with Wales he has very good experience of establishing a successful side with an identifiable style of play on limited resources.
As someone upthread said, our last two permanent managers have been poached by sides with bigger resources. I was underwhelmed at McCann's appointment, but that 2018-19 season is one of my favourite following the club, so I trust the board to take the right approach and make the right decision on this. Interested to see where we are in the summer.
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Wonder what odds Mr McAll is?
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Not sure why Rosler would leave Düsseldorf to come to Doncaster.
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Not sure why Rosler would leave Düsseldorf to come to Doncaster.
My apologies didnt realise he had gone back to Germany.
Ill not put a £5 on him then.
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Wonder what odds Mr McAll is?
Cant see McCall be in the running after what Martin told us about him last time.
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Not sure why Rosler would leave Düsseldorf to come to Doncaster.
Contract runs to end of the season. In the running for the Preston job though.
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Something's happening over at Chesterfield. Anyone know anything about James Rowe?
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If Phil Brown or Mike newell get the job that’s me done with watching us
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Jesus. I know these betting markets are an absolute joke but The Mule? Wow.
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Are we a club that’s offering anything other than an further opportunity for an incumbent to progress if their career has stalled ... as we don’t want to leave L1 . So anybody will do as long as he doesn’t want to spend any money .
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Are we a club that’s offering anything other than an further opportunity for an incumbent to progress if their career has stalled ... as we don’t want to leave L1 . So anybody will do as long as he doesn’t want to spend any money .
Who says we don’t want to leave L1?
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If Phil Brown or Mike newell get the job that’s me done with watching us
Newell would be cheap though. He still owes us for paying him to 'play'.
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Laziest t**t ever to wear the shirt. I have to say that every time his name comes up, its the law.
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Something's happening over at Chesterfield. Anyone know anything about James Rowe?
He had Gloucester City top of VNN, which is pretty much unheard of, before leaving for Chesterfield. I don't know much more than that!
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Laziest t**t ever to wear the shirt. I have to say that every time his name comes up, its the law.
Him or Sheridan.
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Laziest t**t ever to wear the shirt. I have to say that every time his name comes up, its the law.
Him or Sheridan.
I mean laziest players not who i want for our new manager!
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Are we a club that’s offering anything other than an further opportunity for an incumbent to progress if their career has stalled ... as we don’t want to leave L1 . So anybody will do as long as he doesn’t want to spend any money .
Who says we don’t want to leave L1?
I do ..as the recent results show !! Along with the departure of 3 managers all currently employed with clubs in a higher league or soon to be !!
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Wonder how many managers will lie about caring about club Doncaster in an attempt to get the job.
Hope the advert has reached Stendel.
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Not sure why Rosler would leave Düsseldorf to come to Doncaster.
Just got images in my head of Coppinger being asked to show him around on his first day and wearing his League One winners' medal over his green Rovers top now. :laugh:
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If fans were back in grounds 100% Gary Megson would have been spotted at the keepmoat recently.
Always seemed to pop up at games when we needed a manager.
Wonder if SM can say if he ever applied or not?
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Not sure why Rosler would leave Düsseldorf to come to Doncaster.
Just got images in my head of Coppinger being asked to show him around on his first day and wearing his League One winners' medal over his green Rovers top now. :laugh:
This is also true. Would a man want to be employed by someone who has given him such nightmares in the past?!
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
Early market moves
Richie Wellens
2/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
George Boateng
10/1
Neil Harris
10/1
Garry Monk
12/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Derek McInnes
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Boateng is a new name to the list.
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Barring Nicky Butt that's just a list found from this forum and social media.
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Why would anyone put a bet on Coppinger ?
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Barring Nicky Butt that's just a list found from this forum and social media.
I've not seen Boatengs name mentioned before, also he's not mentioned on any of the other manager odds, eg afc Wimbledon, Preston,
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Boateng is a youth coach at Villa. Someone putting 2+2 together with the Henshall connection I feel.
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Barring Nicky Butt that's just a list found from this forum and social media.
I've not seen Boatengs name mentioned before, also he's not mentioned on any of the other manager odds, eg afc Wimbledon, Preston,
Twitter seen it a few times today.
Wonder also where Nicky Butt has come from on that list.
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Barring Nicky Butt that's just a list found from this forum and social media.
I've not seen Boatengs name mentioned before, also he's not mentioned on any of the other manager odds, eg afc Wimbledon, Preston,
Twitter seen it a few times today.
Wonder also where Nicky Butt has come from on that list.
Somebody mentioned him on this forum somewhere, I remember reading it and thinking WTF.
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No thanks. Another one who would be off at the first sniff of another job.
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Butts name was in the free press
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It's not just a new manager we need, it's a whole bloody team!
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Frank Lampard appears at 40/1. :laugh:
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He's hopeless. Would rather we gave job to his missus.
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
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We've got the process started and will have someone in soon enough. Not much more we could ask for now. We are where we are, so let's see the process through as quickly as we can.
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Your right now we're in this situation it is what it is.
But maybe giving the new manager 4 games or whatever will help him make his mind up on a few players and also it's a few weeks longer to sort out targets for summer which will surely help because we're going to be busy. Also there's cold hard logic and there's what will give us some hope for next season. Until the new manager is sorted we're kind of in limbo and it's hard to be positive about next year. A new manager even for the last two games will lift the fans, forget about the players most of them aren't DRFC players any more as far as they are concerned.
Mainly i guess i'm disappointed we're in this position in the 1st place it's been done to death about not starting the process when Moore left so no point going over it again.
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Build what another turnover of players and loanees who won’t roll their sleeves up and fight when the heat is on too many luxury players picking up good wages on reputation rather than the present.
I’m rovers through and through but players not trying and throwing the towel a big shock in store next season for season tickets
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It is too late now, and there isn’t any point appointing a manager.
But we should’ve started this process the day after Moore left.
And if butler was the best candidate given him the job, as it’s turned out he isn’t yet weve left ourselves in a right mess with no way of saving this season
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Maybe a new caretaker needs to be found then as we won’t pick up another Point under Butler. He needs to get his boots back on
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As people are throwing names aroind Liam Rosenior anyone?
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As people are throwing names aroind Liam Rosenior anyone?
No chance. Will never forget the appalling behaviour of his father towards Dave Penney when we played Torquay away at end of the 2003/4 season. We don't want that kind of family influence in the club.
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As people are throwing names aroind Liam Rosenior anyone?
That’s a smart suggestion.
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Boateng is a youth coach at Villa. Someone putting 2+2 together with the Henshall connection I feel.
Another "devout Christian". I think I've had my fill of those managing Rovers :(
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What decent manager will want any part of this shower.
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Nope SM I your a club really wanting promotion you act quickly to get someone in place.promptly to give us the best chance to do that.
No defending the club on this I'm afraid. They have well and truly f****d this season up.
Even with 8 games to go there is a long shot someone new would get the points needed to get into the playoffs.
What have the board done?
Accept that being beaten every week and doing a young managers reputation no good at all is perfectly OK.
No excuse for this at all. Im genuinely quite disgusting at the clubs approach
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Nope SM I your a club really wanting promotion you act quickly to get someone in place.promptly to give us the best chance to do that.
No defending the club on this I'm afraid. They have well and truly f****d this season up.
Even with 8 games to go there is a long shot someone new would get the points needed to get into the playoffs.
What have the board done?
Accept that being beaten every week and doing a young managers reputation no good at all is perfectly OK.
No excuse for this at all. Im genuinely quite disgusting at the clubs approach
No shock there.
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Nope SM I your a club really wanting promotion you act quickly to get someone in place.promptly to give us the best chance to do that.
No defending the club on this I'm afraid. They have well and truly f****d this season up.
Even with 8 games to go there is a long shot someone new would get the points needed to get into the playoffs.
What have the board done?
Accept that being beaten every week and doing a young managers reputation no good at all is perfectly OK.
No excuse for this at all. Im genuinely quite disgusting at the clubs approach
I admire your honesty in that last sentence.
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Nope SM I your a club really wanting promotion you act quickly to get someone in place.promptly to give us the best chance to do that.
No defending the club on this I'm afraid. They have well and truly f****d this season up.
Even with 8 games to go there is a long shot someone new would get the points needed to get into the playoffs.
What have the board done?
Accept that being beaten every week and doing a young managers reputation no good at all is perfectly OK.
No excuse for this at all. Im genuinely quite disgusting at the clubs approach
No shock there.
Going by that comment you clearly think all I ever do is knock the club.
I actually defend them resolutely in many cases and never doubt the commitment shown to keep this club alive.
Yes my post was in the heat of yet another poor performance and yes the players themselves have alot to answer for but..............Well re read my post above based on how the bd should have acted as soon as DM left
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Going by that comment you clearly think all I ever do is knock the club.
I actually defend them resolutely in many cases
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Parkinson anyone.....?
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-ex-sunderland-boss-parkinson-is-leading-contender-for-doncaster-rovers-job/
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Nope SM I your a club really wanting promotion you act quickly to get someone in place.promptly to give us the best chance to do that.
No defending the club on this I'm afraid. They have well and truly f****d this season up.
Even with 8 games to go there is a long shot someone new would get the points needed to get into the playoffs.
What have the board done?
Accept that being beaten every week and doing a young managers reputation no good at all is perfectly OK.
No excuse for this at all. Im genuinely quite disgusting at the clubs approach
So, in summary, you're asking the club to do exactly what I outlined above and bugger all the consequences?
Even now you're suggesting we just grab hold of a manager, throw him in the deep end and see what happens over the next 8 games, in the forlorn hope that this bunch of half interested players will respond and deliver the promotion that we would all like to see.
Not going to happen.
It seems to me that your the type of gambler who's stood at the end of the roulette table, having had a long streak of good wins, is now ignoring the run of losses that your luck has delivered and wants to throw the last of your mortgage money on a few turns of the whee,l in the hope that you can come out of this feeling good about yourself.
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Why are the players "half interested" I wonder? Something must have gone off to bring about this complete turnaround in attitude.
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SM I think only one gamble has been taken recently and it wasn’t by the fans. The board took a gamble, lost and must now face up to the fans being displeased with the situation.
We all accept that the board didn’t pick Butler thinking he would fail. However, they picked him and he has. The fault lies with the board and not AB as he shouldn’t have been given the job in the first place. If it was 3-4 games before the season ends and we are going to finish 12th regardless then I doubt anyone would much care but we were in the play off fight when he took over. In 2 games time we could be closer to the relegation zone than the playoffs. We are currently the most off form team from any pro league in the top 5 countries in Europe.
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Nope SM I your a club really wanting promotion you act quickly to get someone in place.promptly to give us the best chance to do that.
No defending the club on this I'm afraid. They have well and truly f****d this season up.
Even with 8 games to go there is a long shot someone new would get the points needed to get into the playoffs.
What have the board done?
Accept that being beaten every week and doing a young managers reputation no good at all is perfectly OK.
No excuse for this at all. Im genuinely quite disgusting at the clubs approach
So, in summary, you're asking the club to do exactly what I outlined above and bugger all the consequences?
Even now you're suggesting we just grab hold of a manager, throw him in the deep end and see what happens over the next 8 games, in the forlorn hope that this bunch of half interested players will respond and deliver the promotion that we would all like to see.
Not going to happen.
It seems to me that your the type of gambler who's stood at the end of the roulette table, having had a long streak of good wins, is now ignoring the run of losses that your luck has delivered and wants to throw the last of your mortgage money on a few turns of the whee,l in the hope that you can come out of this feeling good about yourself.
With all due respect SM, a lot of other clubs have replacements lined up quite quickly. I seem to recall when I think SOD went it was announced immediately that Saunders was taking over on the same day.
There is no excuse for not having a plan B when Plan A isn’t working.
Hasn’t Phil Brown just taken over Southend again in the hopes to get them out of relegation?
Right now the club are putting AB in a horrible situation, the issues may likely not be his fault but he is the one getting the blame and could affect his future aspirations aswell as his own mental health.
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Parkinson anyone.....?
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-ex-sunderland-boss-parkinson-is-leading-contender-for-doncaster-rovers-job/
Given the recruitment system we have, there's no way he could be considered a leading contender.
I imagine he's throwing his hat in the ring with this article, letting it be known he wants the job.
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Going by that comment you clearly think all I ever do is knock the club.
I actually defend them resolutely in many cases
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Nope SM I your a club really wanting promotion you act quickly to get someone in place.promptly to give us the best chance to do that.
No defending the club on this I'm afraid. They have well and truly f****d this season up.
Even with 8 games to go there is a long shot someone new would get the points needed to get into the playoffs.
What have the board done?
Accept that being beaten every week and doing a young managers reputation no good at all is perfectly OK.
No excuse for this at all. Im genuinely quite disgusting at the clubs approach
So, in summary, you're asking the club to do exactly what I outlined above and bugger all the consequences?
Even now you're suggesting we just grab hold of a manager, throw him in the deep end and see what happens over the next 8 games, in the forlorn hope that this bunch of half interested players will respond and deliver the promotion that we would all like to see.
Not going to happen.
It seems to me that your the type of gambler who's stood at the end of the roulette table, having had a long streak of good wins, is now ignoring the run of losses that your luck has delivered and wants to throw the last of your mortgage money on a few turns of the whee,l in the hope that you can come out of this feeling good about yourself.
Maybe if they did that now, yes it would be a gamble. But what have Portsmouth done? Mmmmmm exactly that isn't it?with managers experienced in league 1 and the championship. Its not a revolutionary concept and has been known to work. Look at how many times big Sam's or Neil warnock are brought into clubs (I know we wouldn't have gone those names but you get my point)
What is really annoying me is this seemingly patronising approach being that "we know better than everyone else" by the club. the situation changed when DM left and they should have adapted the process to suit. Be it something like Portsmouth or similar. I can't say if it would have worked but it would have backed up their investment in the team over Christmas. Give AB a couple of games to cover during the process, get some more experience etc but not throw the poor lad to the wolves like they have.
On top of this they've essentially wasted the money from BWs sale (im guessing) on a team that can't fight its way out of a paper bag under the new regime. Yes it may have been the same under someone other than Andy but I'd be saying, can't fault the club, they tried everything they could.
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silent majority
Even now you're suggesting we just grab hold of a manager, throw him in the deep end and see what happens over the next 8 games, in the forlorn hope that this bunch of half interested players will respond and deliver the promotion that we would all like to see.
well did you not do that with Andy Butler
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Can’t believe we’re just going to see the season out like this while waiting for people to send a CV in. So inflexible! If that’s the price for stability and a well run club so be it but sometimes you think just why
What are you expecting though?
We rush through a signing of a manager, so we can throw him in to the last few games in a forlorn attempt to do what exactly? And then we saddle the new manager with a bunch of loan players that will be gone at the end of the season, they carry on losing and the new manager must wonder what the hell he's done.
It just doesn't make sense.
No, much more sensible to attract and find the right manager, let him build his squad over the summer and start again next season.
Nope SM I your a club really wanting promotion you act quickly to get someone in place.promptly to give us the best chance to do that.
No defending the club on this I'm afraid. They have well and truly f****d this season up.
Even with 8 games to go there is a long shot someone new would get the points needed to get into the playoffs.
What have the board done?
Accept that being beaten every week and doing a young managers reputation no good at all is perfectly OK.
No excuse for this at all. Im genuinely quite disgusting at the clubs approach
So, in summary, you're asking the club to do exactly what I outlined above and bugger all the consequences?
Even now you're suggesting we just grab hold of a manager, throw him in the deep end and see what happens over the next 8 games, in the forlorn hope that this bunch of half interested players will respond and deliver the promotion that we would all like to see.
Not going to happen.
It seems to me that your the type of gambler who's stood at the end of the roulette table, having had a long streak of good wins, is now ignoring the run of losses that your luck has delivered and wants to throw the last of your mortgage money on a few turns of the whee,l in the hope that you can come out of this feeling good about yourself.
I understand what you’re saying martin but both Portsmouth and charlton did this and both clubs have saved their seasons.
I’m pretty sure if we’d have appointed Adkins or the cowleys 6 weeks ago our season wouldn’t have turned into the disaster it now has.
Someone has to take responsibility for that mistake
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Parkinson anyone.....?
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-ex-sunderland-boss-parkinson-is-leading-contender-for-doncaster-rovers-job/
I can't see the board giving him the time of day after what he to us at Bolton last season.
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silent majority
Even now you're suggesting we just grab hold of a manager, throw him in the deep end and see what happens over the next 8 games, in the forlorn hope that this bunch of half interested players will respond and deliver the promotion that we would all like to see.
well did you not do that with Andy Butler
That's worked well, let's do it again!! :silly:
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silent majority
Even now you're suggesting we just grab hold of a manager, throw him in the deep end and see what happens over the next 8 games, in the forlorn hope that this bunch of half interested players will respond and deliver the promotion that we would all like to see.
well did you not do that with Andy Butler
Probably as good a reason as any not to do it again.
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Boateng is a youth coach at Villa. Someone putting 2+2 together with the Henshall connection I feel.
Another "devout Christian". I think I've had my fill of those managing Rovers :(
Any other group, other than Christians, and people would be up in arms about that statement.
Why is it OK to decide to rule out all Christians based on the actions of one (or more)?
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Well I'm not going to spoil this thread by quoting everybody who has responded to me, but I do want to make a couple of points in defence of the club.
Firstly, AB had been shadowing DM all season, he'd stated his ambition was to move into management and the club were assisting him by giving him the Belles job and allowing him to work with the club on the men's side.
You may remember that when DM had to isolate because of Covid it was AB that took over. We won that game. So, in terms of having a plan B just in case things went wrong then this is what a plan would look like?
DM dropped us in the sticky stuff in a very short period of time, literally just a couple of days. The plan was to then offer the position to AB, and his first couple of results were positive, no significant outpouring of grief then by DRFC supporters.
But then things started to slide, and so in hindsight what you're suggesting is that a Plan B wasn't enough we needed a Plan C to go with it. And even now I read that we should abandon our process that's worked so well for us previously and parachute in someone to save our season.
Whilst I'm as disappointed as the next DRFC fan that we'll miss out on promotion I'm not prepared to go along with the plan that some on here seem to think we should adopt. And as somebody has already pointed out we didn't do AB any favours by dropping him in the deep end, yet you want us to do it again with another more experienced manager?
I think a step back, consider what's in front of you, and rely on your knowledge that this will work out. I'm sure by the time we get to the end of the week we'll have a significant number of highly qualified applicants for the job (in fact I already know we have) and that we can pick and choose who we know can help us through this once this season is done and dusted.
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I think a step back, consider what's in front of you, and rely on your knowledge that this will work out. I'm sure by the time we get to the end of the week we'll have a significant number of highly qualified applicants for the job (in fact I already know we have) and that we can pick and choose who we know can help us through this once this season is done and dusted.
I'd agree with that...... my only hope is that the process means the new man/woman is in place well before the START of pre-season, and not a week before the season starts...
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I think a step back, consider what's in front of you, and rely on your knowledge that this will work out. I'm sure by the time we get to the end of the week we'll have a significant number of highly qualified applicants for the job (in fact I already know we have) and that we can pick and choose who we know can help us through this once this season is done and dusted.
I'd agree with that...... my only hope is that the process means the new man/woman is in place well before the START of pre-season, and not a week before the season starts...
Appoint on the 11th May is my understanding.
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Too late to parachute someone in now so might as well stick with the plan. Your last paragraph is right for the situation as it is. Most of the disagreement comes from what should have happened when Moore left
Again it's hindsight but Butler was plan A when Moore left not B so we're not looking at a plan C.
The whole throwing a manager in at the deep end part only applies to Butler because he had no experience and was recently a team mate. How would Adkins, for instance, have been dropped in at the deep end? He'd have been given a brilliant chance of chasing promotion given our position and games in hand.
We have a process for appointing managers which is fair enough. But clearly even if we waited for applicants and started it, as we now have, the day Moore left it would have potentially taken too long and meant the season fizzled out. We have a process but it has to be acknowledged that other clubs acted quick spoke to managers who's record is very good (why wait for a CV it's public information) and saved their seasons.
For all the processes positives the negatives also have to be acknowledged. Where we are now it's fine to take our time. The seasons done we'll be lucky to get a point so why rush. But when Moore left we had a lot to play for that can't be ignored.
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SM.
“Rely on your knowledge that this will work out”.
The knowledge in front of me is as follows. DM was in charge, AB shadowing. Ok so far. AB takes over for 1 game - not really a benchmarking test. DM returns following 1 game. DM continues his job but win run and performances stop and we begin to struggle. DM goes to Wednesday. Board follow “the process” to see who will take us to the top 6 finish they desire. Having reviewed process they appoint a man with a grand total of 1 game in professional football management(with the full time coach on the blower). We win 2 games. We then fall apart to an extent that no-one anywhere can believe. The players give up(a couple haven’t). AB openly states he will never questions players commitment and then does so 6 days later. We then begin to look for a new man/woman but won’t “rush” into anything.
So my question to you is why the new process is going to be any more successful than the previous process? As the knowledge quite clearly shows that the process hasn’t worked. Is something being changed to stop it failing so catastrophically again?
Fans are allowed to question the club and it’s not because we aren’t real supporters and it’s not because we hate the club or the board or AB or the players. It’s because we care and we want to see it succeed(Gibson is excluded from this as he is just a complete muppet).
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I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Board followed 'the process' in appointing AB... Perhaps they were trying to keep some continuity and decided that if the chose to go down 'the process' route it may take a few weeks to find and appoint a new man - so they decided to try and maintain stability and chose AB. I think that the Board have showed (in their last three full-time appointments) that they have a good selection process and that it has worked successfully.
I guarantee that if we had swiftly appointed manager following DM's departure and it had failed, there would be plenty lined up to ask why they had rushed into things and not undergone due process...... a no win situation really.
What's done is done IMO - we were let down by DM - who we all thought was here for the long run. The Board took what they considered the best option at the time and this has proved to be wrong - I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but I'm sure it was done with the hope that it could stabilise and galvanise the squad behind AB...
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What's done is done IMO - we were let down by DM - who we all thought was here for the long run. The Board took what they considered the best option at the time and this has proved to be wrong - I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but I'm sure it was done with the hope that it could stabilise and galvanise the squad behind AB...
I agree. I will have to agree to disagree with sm on this and leave it at that.
Seasons a right off now so I'll wait to see who they choose and players brought in to try and start the new season with fresh hope
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I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Board followed 'the process' in appointing AB... Perhaps they were trying to keep some continuity and decided that if the chose to go down 'the process' route it may take a few weeks to find and appoint a new man - so they decided to try and maintain stability and chose AB. I think that the Board have showed (in their last three full-time appointments) that they have a good selection process and that it has worked successfully.
I guarantee that if we had swiftly appointed manager following DM's departure and it had failed, there would be plenty lined up to ask why they had rushed into things and not undergone due process...... a no win situation really.
What's done is done IMO - we were let down by DM - who we all thought was here for the long run. The Board took what they considered the best option at the time and this has proved to be wrong - I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but I'm sure it was done with the hope that it could stabilise and galvanise the squad behind AB...
Which of course it did for the first two games. Which people conveniently forget.
Every manager has to start somewhere and at some time, it's just a shame it hasn't worked out for Andy. Was it his fault, was it the players, was it a bit of both, I guess we will have to wait for the biographies to come out.
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SM.
So my question to you is why the new process is going to be any more successful than the previous process? As the knowledge quite clearly shows that the process hasn’t worked. Is something being changed to stop it failing so catastrophically again?
I'm not sure what you mean here. We agree that the process for identifying suitable candidates works, yes? After all the last two produced some good football and had us challenging towards the top of the table, which was their brief.
The previous manager to those was identified and should have been a success, unfortunately what we couldn't predict is that he wouldn't take the job seriously enough.
If however you are referring to the previous two managers leaving us then I'm not sure how that could be predicted in any process. What you can do is make changes to their contract which would attempt to dissuade them from being poached, and I'm sure that DRFC will be looking at that.
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It is a bit of a catch 22 situation, having managers poached.
It's as if some people would purposely choose to have an ugly girlfriend because their mates had taken their previous two girlfriends off them.
Short of tying a manager down to a much longer contract, there's not much else that could be done and the longer contract would mean we were either stuck with a manager through thick and thin, or having to have a whip 'round to pay them off if we want rid of them.
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What's done is done IMO - we were let down by DM - who we all thought was here for the long run. The Board took what they considered the best option at the time and this has proved to be wrong - I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but I'm sure it was done with the hope that it could stabilise and galvanise the squad behind AB...
I agree. I will have to agree to disagree with sm on this and leave it at that.
Seasons a right off now so I'll wait to see who they choose and players brought in to try and start the new season with fresh hope
It's not clear as to what you are disagreeing with me on.
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I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Board followed 'the process' in appointing AB... Perhaps they were trying to keep some continuity and decided that if the chose to go down 'the process' route it may take a few weeks to find and appoint a new man - so they decided to try and maintain stability and chose AB. I think that the Board have showed (in their last three full-time appointments) that they have a good selection process and that it has worked successfully.
I guarantee that if we had swiftly appointed manager following DM's departure and it had failed, there would be plenty lined up to ask why they had rushed into things and not undergone due process...... a no win situation really.
What's done is done IMO - we were let down by DM - who we all thought was here for the long run. The Board took what they considered the best option at the time and this has proved to be wrong - I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but I'm sure it was done with the hope that it could stabilise and galvanise the squad behind AB...
The only inconsistency really is in not clearly appointing AB as a caretaker until the end of the season before due process. Which is where they are with it now. It seems he's on a six month contract and so appointed on a trial basis with the option to extend.
That was fair enough to be honest, he's ambitious but a beginner being asked to takeover a difficult situation. I think they needed to show a level of goodwill towards him.
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Lets be sensible about this, does anyone think an Adkins or The Cowleys or even a Klopp or a Pep could turn our season round with the players that we have when DM jumped? We played some good stuff at the start of the season but lets face it we got lucky with quite a few of those wins, despite what we think our defence was often very last ditch to say the least. and DM knew it in my opinion hence his speed in jumping ship before his house of cards came tumbling down. Teams have found us out, get in our face and boss midfield which allows them to get at our back 4 which has now proved to be very brittle. What's done is done our season has bombed not through any fault of Butler in my opinion the rot had already set in,we are just too soft.
All we can hope is that the owner backs the new manager, which I'm sure he will, in re-building the squad not just the 11 who make up the team on matchday. Come August when hopefully we are back watching at The KM we will have reason to look forward to a challenge for promotion in 2022
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My only point and I think the powers that be will probably agree now is that they should have invited applicants when Moore left, butler would’ve been in prime position but we could’ve saved this season by appointing a manager once we knew butler had started to struggle.
We were in a better position than charlton and Pompey when Moore left they both appointed experienced managers that we could’ve appointed. They saved their season we couldn’t/can’t as it’s too late, we cocked it up.
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
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Too late to parachute someone in now so might as well stick with the plan. Your last paragraph is right for the situation as it is. Most of the disagreement comes from what should have happened when Moore left
Again it's hindsight but Butler was plan A when Moore left not B so we're not looking at a plan C.
The whole throwing a manager in at the deep end part only applies to Butler because he had no experience and was recently a team mate. How would Adkins, for instance, have been dropped in at the deep end? He'd have been given a brilliant chance of chasing promotion given our position and games in hand.
We have a process for appointing managers which is fair enough. But clearly even if we waited for applicants and started it, as we now have, the day Moore left it would have potentially taken too long and meant the season fizzled out. We have a process but it has to be acknowledged that other clubs acted quick spoke to managers who's record is very good (why wait for a CV it's public information) and saved their seasons.
For all the processes positives the negatives also have to be acknowledged. Where we are now it's fine to take our time. The seasons done we'll be lucky to get a point so why rush. But when Moore left we had a lot to play for that can't be ignored.
Spot on
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
That’s only till the end of the season.
I demand Danny Wilson being on the list, it's not the same without him!
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An interesting point to note. A week or so ago it was Portsmouth, Charlton and Sunderland that were held up as the examples of clubs that appointed an experienced manager to save their season. Now that Sunderland have lost a couple it’s just Portsmouth and Charlton. But if Sunderland win a few on the spin then they can be held up as an example to follow again.
What can we learn from this? Appoint a manager that wins. People on here will want another manager when he doesn’t.
The Butler decision was fine when he won the first two games. Then when our form dropped the Board should’ve done something different. It’ll always be that way it seems. I already feel for the next manager. They’ll only be the right choice when we win games.
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
That’s only till the end of the season.
I demand Danny Wilson being on the list, it's not the same without him!
I'm saying a (Mary's) prayer that it's not him.
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
That’s only till the end of the season.
I demand Danny Wilson being on the list, it's not the same without him!
I'm saying a (Mary's) prayer that it's not him.
F*cking brilliant.
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
That’s only till the end of the season.
I demand Danny Wilson being on the list, it's not the same without him!
I'm saying a (Mary's) prayer that it's not him.
F*cking brilliant.
Younger folk on here won't get that
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Be the light in my eyes...
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SM.
So my question to you is why the new process is going to be any more successful than the previous process? As the knowledge quite clearly shows that the process hasn’t worked. Is something being changed to stop it failing so catastrophically again?
I'm not sure what you mean here. We agree that the process for identifying suitable candidates works, yes? After all the last two produced some good football and had us challenging towards the top of the table, which was their brief.
The previous manager to those was identified and should have been a success, unfortunately what we couldn't predict is that he wouldn't take the job seriously enough.
If however you are referring to the previous two managers leaving us then I'm not sure how that could be predicted in any process. What you can do is make changes to their contract which would attempt to dissuade them from being poached, and I'm sure that DRFC will be looking at that.
In what way did Fergie not take the job seriously enough ?
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
That’s only till the end of the season.
I demand Danny Wilson being on the list, it's not the same without him!
I'm saying a (Mary's) prayer that it's not him.
F*cking brilliant.
Younger folk on here won't get that
Petche, surely you're not suggesting that I'm not young?
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Regarding player/dressing room behaviour, we’ve been lucky to have Cops around as a respected senior man for a lot of years. This will be a big void to fill off the pitch more than on it I think.
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What about Chris Wilder maybe not but would it be worth a punt
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More chance of Gene Wilder taking the job.
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SM.
So my question to you is why the new process is going to be any more successful than the previous process? As the knowledge quite clearly shows that the process hasn’t worked. Is something being changed to stop it failing so catastrophically again?
I'm not sure what you mean here. We agree that the process for identifying suitable candidates works, yes? After all the last two produced some good football and had us challenging towards the top of the table, which was their brief.
The previous manager to those was identified and should have been a success, unfortunately what we couldn't predict is that he wouldn't take the job seriously enough.
If however you are referring to the previous two managers leaving us then I'm not sure how that could be predicted in any process. What you can do is make changes to their contract which would attempt to dissuade them from being poached, and I'm sure that DRFC will be looking at that.
In what way did Fergie not take the job seriously enough ?
Just left, and as well said earlier, Colchester away- never came to us to clap us never a true manager with DRFC at heart. Always a true Posh at heart. Just want a way out of this mess.....
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The fixation with an experienced manager is interesting. Any experienced manager that we can attract will have recently failed somewhere. We have to accept that. Even Chris Wilder (who there’s literally no chance of) has a very recent spectacular failure to turn around a dreadful run of form. So either we trust an experienced failure to learn, or we take a shot with a less experienced manager. That’s what we did with McCann and Moore, both of whom had limited experience - McCann with an average record in his short time at Posh and Moore with a good record from his short stint at WBA. We gave them a chance and they did well.
We’ll have to rationalise our expectations somewhere. We’re not going to get an experienced manager that wins every week at this level of football. There’ll have to be a calculated risk. I think we took one with Butler, but the Board have been lambasted for it.
The knives will doubtless be out for whoever we appoint. I was underwhelmed at the choice of McCann at the time. He turned out to be our best manager since O’Driscoll and delivered one of the most enjoyable seasons. I’ll back whoever we choose this time, but people need to be realistic.
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More chance of Gene Wilder taking the job.
Young Frankenstein - Moore?
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
I saw a post earlier today that says we are planning to appoint the new manager on 11th May.
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
That’s only till the end of the season.
I demand Danny Wilson being on the list, it's not the same without him!
I'm saying a (Mary's) prayer that it's not him.
F*cking brilliant.
Younger folk on here won't get that
This has gone well over my head.
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SM.
So my question to you is why the new process is going to be any more successful than the previous process? As the knowledge quite clearly shows that the process hasn’t worked. Is something being changed to stop it failing so catastrophically again?
I'm not sure what you mean here. We agree that the process for identifying suitable candidates works, yes? After all the last two produced some good football and had us challenging towards the top of the table, which was their brief.
The previous manager to those was identified and should have been a success, unfortunately what we couldn't predict is that he wouldn't take the job seriously enough.
If however you are referring to the previous two managers leaving us then I'm not sure how that could be predicted in any process. What you can do is make changes to their contract which would attempt to dissuade them from being poached, and I'm sure that DRFC will be looking at that.
I’m a little confused now. Are you saying that the process wasn’t applied to AB? That he was just handed it for the rest of the season without a plan and expected to either sink or swim?
As you refer to the previous manager(s) as leaving for other clubs which AB obviously hasn’t.
It’s this ambiguity that makes people feel like the board rushed into the AB decision or that he was used as a cost cutting measure.
I know this forum has a lot of yes men/sheep who only see light and they’re more than welcome to that view. I don’t think that most of the ones asking questions care any less for the club but merely want to understand how/why things have been allowed to go so wrong.
I get jumped on by the same 4 or 5 “fans” every time I question anything that doesn’t involve praising the board but it’s genuine concern that makes me and a few others ask.
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Boateng is a youth coach at Villa. Someone putting 2+2 together with the Henshall connection I feel.
Another "devout Christian". I think I've had my fill of those managing Rovers :(
Any other group, other than Christians, and people would be up in arms about that statement.
Why is it OK to decide to rule out all Christians based on the actions of one (or more)?
People CAN be up in arms if they want. But I didn't rule out ALL Christians. Just the "devout" ones ! :)
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Curtis Woodhouse stated on Twitter that he has applied for the job, but that he knows he won't get a look in.
A very minor bit of info but hadn't seen it discussed on here so thought I'd mention!
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
Even if a new manager came in on the 28th, we would’ve been only outside the playoffs on goal difference with 11 games to go.
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An interesting point to note. A week or so ago it was Portsmouth, Charlton and Sunderland that were held up as the examples of clubs that appointed an experienced manager to save their season. Now that Sunderland have lost a couple it’s just Portsmouth and Charlton. But if Sunderland win a few on the spin then they can be held up as an example to follow again.
What can we learn from this? Appoint a manager that wins. People on here will want another manager when he doesn’t.
The Butler decision was fine when he won the first two games. Then when our form dropped the Board should’ve done something different. It’ll always be that way it seems. I already feel for the next manager. They’ll only be the right choice when we win games.
It isn't just about winning games though is it? Something far more fundamental has occurred than us just losing. we have simply fallen apart as a side. The attacking verve that we showed even when struggling for results (such as the second half when we absolutely battered a Hull side who have since picked up 26 points from 11 games, conceding just 5 goals) has vanished. We are bereft of anything remotely resembling the approach that we had then, even when struggling to get results.
I can cope with us being outplayed and losing. That's in the nature of football. What I can't accept is the lack of anything resembling a structure to our play, culminating in that humiliating third goal last night. That wasn't about losing. It was about us coming apart as a football team.
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What's done is done IMO - we were let down by DM - who we all thought was here for the long run. The Board took what they considered the best option at the time and this has proved to be wrong - I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but I'm sure it was done with the hope that it could stabilise and galvanise the squad behind AB...
I agree. I will have to agree to disagree with sm on this and leave it at that.
Seasons a right off now so I'll wait to see who they choose and players brought in to try and start the new season with fresh hope
It's not clear as to what you are disagreeing with me on.
Having AB a man with no football league management experience as plan B should and when DM did leave. Given where we were in the league the board should have been more flexible about the position we were in and whether AB was in fact the right choice on his own. This is when they could have said, let's appoint someone until the end of the season and ask AB to look after the team in an interim period, say 2-3 games.
It would have let AB get more experience, and allowed some similar but shorter recruitment period.
Would give who ever came in, presumably with more league experience than AB a massive incentive to get the job full time if we went up or were close to.
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Why did Moore get the heave ho from WBA?
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Why did Moore get the heave ho from WBA?
Because he wasn’t getting the best out of the players.
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SM I think only one gamble has been taken recently and it wasn’t by the fans. The board took a gamble, lost and must now face up to the fans being displeased with the situation.
We all accept that the board didn’t pick Butler thinking he would fail. However, they picked him and he has. The fault lies with the board and not AB as he shouldn’t have been given the job in the first place. If it was 3-4 games before the season ends and we are going to finish 12th regardless then I doubt anyone would much care but we were in the play off fight when he took over. In 2 games time we could be closer to the relegation zone than the playoffs. We are currently the most off form team from any pro league in the top 5 countries in Europe.
living life with hindsight is an amazing thing.
Can't remember many dissenting voices at the time of Andys appointment
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What's done is done IMO - we were let down by DM - who we all thought was here for the long run. The Board took what they considered the best option at the time and this has proved to be wrong - I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision, but I'm sure it was done with the hope that it could stabilise and galvanise the squad behind AB...
I agree. I will have to agree to disagree with sm on this and leave it at that.
Seasons a right off now so I'll wait to see who they choose and players brought in to try and start the new season with fresh hope
It's not clear as to what you are disagreeing with me on.
Having AB a man with no football league management experience as plan B should and when DM did leave. Given where we were in the league the board should have been more flexible about the position we were in and whether AB was in fact the right choice on his own. This is when they could have said, let's appoint someone until the end of the season and ask AB to look after the team in an interim period, say 2-3 games.
It would have let AB get more experience, and allowed some similar but shorter recruitment period.
Would give who ever came in, presumably with more league experience than AB a massive incentive to get the job full time if we went up or were close to.
I think we need a bit of realism here. No decent manager is going to come in and take a job until the end of the season. We are not WBA we are Doncaster Rovers. The club appointed the right person at the time, maybe they should also have brought in an assistant and maybe they shouldn't have said AB has got the job until the end of the season but nobody complained at the time. In fact many welcomed AB's appointment. The person to blame for this is the one who signed so many young inexperienced midfield players on loan and two imitation strikers.
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
Even if a new manager came in on the 28th, we would’ve been only outside the playoffs on goal difference with 11 games to go.
dog without a bone. Didn't hear you complaining when AB won the first two matches.
What's done is done. In my opinion we were not good enough to go up. Some of those wins were fortunate and we had plenty of frailties.
The criticism of the board is unwarranted. They did what they thought best when dropped in the brown stuff. DM happened so quickly.
Move on. Build a new squad. Get a positive manager in.support the club
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Why did Moore get the heave ho from WBA?
Because he wasn’t getting the best out of the players.
Funny that... they were going great until Christmas, then their form dropped off...
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Curtis Woodhouse stated on Twitter that he has applied for the job, but that he knows he won't get a look in.
A very minor bit of info but hadn't seen it discussed on here so thought I'd mention!
I can probably understand why he wouldn't get it, what part of the criteria does he hit, did he not just get sacked by 10th place NPL team Gainsborough Trinity?
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Micky Melon has ruled himself out, as he has to much to do with Dundee u. He said if he doesn’t talk about the speculation people that he is interested in the job and he so is not
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Curtis Woodhouse stated on Twitter that he has applied for the job, but that he knows he won't get a look in.
A very minor bit of info but hadn't seen it discussed on here so thought I'd mention!
I can probably understand why he wouldn't get it, what part of the criteria does he hit, did he not just get sacked by 10th place NPL team Gainsborough Trinity?
He left Trinity. Mutual agreement. Tbf when he went to Gainsborough they were rock bottom. Does well with money lower down the pyramid. That's about it!
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https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623
Richie Wellens
5/1
Micky Mellon
7/1
Andy Butler
8/1
Neil Harris
10/1
James Coppinger
12/1
Daniel Stendel
16/1
Nicky Butt
16/1
Paul Tisdale
16/1
Roy Keane
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Phil Brown
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Mike Newell
40/1
This will no doubt change a million times in the next 3 weeks but from just those names I'd only take Richie Wellens, Daniel Stendel or Paul Tisdale. Nigel Clough would fit us well too, who isn't on the list.
can’t see tisdale getting it with him only just taking on an advisory role at colchester
That’s only till the end of the season.
I demand Danny Wilson being on the list, it's not the same without him!
I'm saying a (Mary's) prayer that it's not him.
F*cking brilliant.
Younger folk on here won't get that
This has gone well over my head.
Danny Wilson (not the manager) sang Mary's Prayer. I reckon you'd recognise the song.
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Heckingbottom now favourite.
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Heckingbottom now favourite.
Mentioned in an online piece giving a rundown on the runners and riders.
A bloke who is likely to be looking for a new position shortly and has likely applied and wants it to be known.
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I don't think there's much point looking at betting odds until applications close. That's when the shortlist will be drawn up and info may leak out then. Until then it's just pure guesswork.
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As you say, all speculation at the moment as applications will still be coming in. But I think on the face of it Heckingbottom would be a decent appointment for us.
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I'd be happy with him tbh
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I don't think there's much point looking at betting odds until applications close. That's when the shortlist will be drawn up and info may leak out then. Until then it's just pure guesswork.
Not to mention that the market is probably so small that a cuple of bets on an outsider would probably move them up the odds.
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I'd be happy with him tbh
Me too
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Quit Barnsley (his hometown club) to take over at Leeds.
Another one who would jump ship if he does well for us.
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Realistically every manager is at risk of being poached if they do well with us. Maybe not always at the first job, and maybe we can write things into their contract to protect ourselves, but if a big enough club comes in they will jump. The only solution is to hire a crap manager who does badly!
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Quit Barnsley (his hometown club) to take over at Leeds.
Another one who would jump ship if he does well for us.
If he's done it before and it not work out would he think twice about quitting a good job though? Or am I being a little naive?
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
Even if a new manager came in on the 28th, we would’ve been only outside the playoffs on goal difference with 11 games to go.
dog without a bone. Didn't hear you complaining when AB won the first two matches.
What's done is done. In my opinion we were not good enough to go up. Some of those wins were fortunate and we had plenty of frailties.
The criticism of the board is unwarranted. They did what they thought best when dropped in the brown stuff. DM happened so quickly.
Move on. Build a new squad. Get a positive manager in.support the club
I said at the time it was naive to appoint him until the end of the season.
Also when Moore left we were told that it had been dragging on for a while and it was no coincidence that our results had dropped off over the last few weeks, as moores head had been turned.
So if we knew that then it wasn’t all short notice
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To be fair it's possible - in fact highly likely - they only found out after the fact that Moore's head had been turned through unofficial channels.
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At least the deadline passes before Moore gets sacked
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Hi guys, not been on here for a while and sorry to see the way the wheels have come off since DMs move to Wednesday, I really fancied you for play offs at least. I suppose at least it means that when Wanderers confirm promotion this year we’ll be able to settle things next season?
As for your next manager, I suppose it depends what your objectives are. We took a relatively unproven young guy in Ian Evatt because we liked his ambition as well as his football beliefs, instead of plumping for the usual merry go round alternatives. Evatt has built a new side from nothing as well as changes around the academy and scouting network. So far it’s worked well and the football is brilliant. Our new owners have given Evatt a 3 year contract to get things right and of course from next year we’ll be out of embargo so will be able to pay transfer and loan fees again so hopefully we’ll be able to compete and push for successive promotions back to the Championship. If I were Rovers I’d also look for someone young like that and as a wildcard, I’d have a look at Dean Holden, recently disgracefully sacked by Bristol City. He was a midfielder here at Wanderers then Assistand then manager at Bristol. A lot of us would have liked him at Bolton but the board went for Evatt and it looks like it was the right call. Anyway, I hope you get someone that suits your aspirations and that we can both achieve promotion next season.
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I’d have a look at Dean Holden, recently disgracefully sacked by Bristol City. He was a midfielder here at Wanderers then Assistand then manager at Bristol. A lot of us would have liked him at Bolton but the board went for Evatt and it looks like it was the right call. Anyway, I hope you get someone that suits your aspirations and that we can both achieve promotion next season.
Dean Holden has just been appointed as assistant to Michael O'Neill at Stoke. I also thought of him as a possible candidate.....I guess he still might be.
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Let's poach Evatt.
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
Even if a new manager came in on the 28th, we would’ve been only outside the playoffs on goal difference with 11 games to go.
dog without a bone. Didn't hear you complaining when AB won the first two matches.
What's done is done. In my opinion we were not good enough to go up. Some of those wins were fortunate and we had plenty of frailties.
The criticism of the board is unwarranted. They did what they thought best when dropped in the brown stuff. DM happened so quickly.
Move on. Build a new squad. Get a positive manager in.support the club
I said at the time it was naive to appoint him until the end of the season.
Also when Moore left we were told that it had been dragging on for a while and it was no coincidence that our results had dropped off over the last few weeks, as moores head had been turned.
So if we knew that then it wasn’t all short notice
Dragging on? I recall they said it happened rather quickly, approached Friday gone Sunday
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
Even if a new manager came in on the 28th, we would’ve been only outside the playoffs on goal difference with 11 games to go.
dog without a bone. Didn't hear you complaining when AB won the first two matches.
What's done is done. In my opinion we were not good enough to go up. Some of those wins were fortunate and we had plenty of frailties.
The criticism of the board is unwarranted. They did what they thought best when dropped in the brown stuff. DM happened so quickly.
Move on. Build a new squad. Get a positive manager in.support the club
I said at the time it was naive to appoint him until the end of the season.
Also when Moore left we were told that it had been dragging on for a while and it was no coincidence that our results had dropped off over the last few weeks, as moores head had been turned.
So if we knew that then it wasn’t all short notice
Dragging on? I recall they said it happened rather quickly, approached Friday gone Sunday
Done and dusted in 72 hours. I'd say that was pretty quick.
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
Even if a new manager came in on the 28th, we would’ve been only outside the playoffs on goal difference with 11 games to go.
dog without a bone. Didn't hear you complaining when AB won the first two matches.
What's done is done. In my opinion we were not good enough to go up. Some of those wins were fortunate and we had plenty of frailties.
The criticism of the board is unwarranted. They did what they thought best when dropped in the brown stuff. DM happened so quickly.
Move on. Build a new squad. Get a positive manager in.support the club
I said at the time it was naive to appoint him until the end of the season.
Also when Moore left we were told that it had been dragging on for a while and it was no coincidence that our results had dropped off over the last few weeks, as moores head had been turned.
So if we knew that then it wasn’t all short notice
Dragging on? I recall they said it happened rather quickly, approached Friday gone Sunday
Done and dusted in 72 hours. I'd say that was pretty quick.
He should never have been in charge for the Ipswich game on the Saturday if that was the case, although he probably never said anything about it
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Been informed that Heckingbottom was interviewed yesterday. Wouldn’t say it’s from a cast iron source but one that’s been right in the past.
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Been informed that Heckingbottom was interviewed yesterday. Wouldn’t say it’s from a cast iron source but one that’s been right in the past.
I don't buy it. I can't see the club making an interview shortlist before all the applications are in, let alone actually conducting any interviews.
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Been informed that Heckingbottom was interviewed yesterday. Wouldn’t say it’s from a cast iron source but one that’s been right in the past.
I don't buy it. I can't see the club making an interview shortlist before all the applications are in, let alone actually conducting any interviews.
I don’t think it’s impossible.
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Perhaps he was outstanding candidate of applications received and none mentioned subsequently are expected to be same standard . Bit like DM was outstanding.
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
Even if a new manager came in on the 28th, we would’ve been only outside the playoffs on goal difference with 11 games to go.
dog without a bone. Didn't hear you complaining when AB won the first two matches.
What's done is done. In my opinion we were not good enough to go up. Some of those wins were fortunate and we had plenty of frailties.
The criticism of the board is unwarranted. They did what they thought best when dropped in the brown stuff. DM happened so quickly.
Move on. Build a new squad. Get a positive manager in.support the club
I said at the time it was naive to appoint him until the end of the season.
Also when Moore left we were told that it had been dragging on for a while and it was no coincidence that our results had dropped off over the last few weeks, as moores head had been turned.
So if we knew that then it wasn’t all short notice
Dragging on? I recall they said it happened rather quickly, approached Friday gone Sunday
Done and dusted in 72 hours. I'd say that was pretty quick.
At the time though martin you did state that you were glad Moore had left as it had been a massive distraction and when asked if you thought it had effected recent performances you said most definitely.
So from that we can only assume it had been going on for a while
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Been informed that Heckingbottom was interviewed yesterday. Wouldn’t say it’s from a cast iron source but one that’s been right in the past.
Absolutely no truth whatsoever in this.
1st interviews will take place w/com 26th April.
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But the process would have taken 3 or 4 weeks to appoint a manager if past appointments are anything to go by so what woukd the benefit have been?
3 weeks from the day Moore left would take you to around the 21st March,
Around the same time charlton appointed Adkins, and Pompey appointed the cowleys.
Plenty of time to save the season
Why take the least time? If it was 4 weeks it would have been the 28th a week less to save the season, really? With these players? They've shown that they are too flakey
Just out of interest lets see how many weeks it takes to appoint the new manager
Even if a new manager came in on the 28th, we would’ve been only outside the playoffs on goal difference with 11 games to go.
dog without a bone. Didn't hear you complaining when AB won the first two matches.
What's done is done. In my opinion we were not good enough to go up. Some of those wins were fortunate and we had plenty of frailties.
The criticism of the board is unwarranted. They did what they thought best when dropped in the brown stuff. DM happened so quickly.
Move on. Build a new squad. Get a positive manager in.support the club
I said at the time it was naive to appoint him until the end of the season.
Also when Moore left we were told that it had been dragging on for a while and it was no coincidence that our results had dropped off over the last few weeks, as moores head had been turned.
So if we knew that then it wasn’t all short notice
Dragging on? I recall they said it happened rather quickly, approached Friday gone Sunday
Done and dusted in 72 hours. I'd say that was pretty quick.
At the time though martin you did state that you were glad Moore had left as it had been a massive distraction and when asked if you thought it had effected recent performances you said most definitely.
So from that we can only assume it had been going on for a while
Hindsight though unfortunately.
What I did mean was that something had been affecting DM, not sure what it was though.
So, yes I was glad to see the back of him.
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Heckingbottom and Holden would both be interesting (and not unrealistic) candidates in my opinion.
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Could see Heckingbottom being a favourite if he has applied , but not really taking a liking to him to be honest, would like to hear tykes view on Heckingbottom.?
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Too many vowels in his name for them to understand. You would need to draw a picture of him to show them instead.
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Let's poach Evatt.
Ha ha, you can certainly try Glyn, you never know your luck?
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Can anyone point me in the direction of the latest odds? Would be interested to see.
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Heckingbottom was my choice a while ago, would be a good fit in my opinion, well that's if Stendel doesn't apply.
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Could see Heckingbottom being a favourite if he has applied , but not really taking a liking to him to be honest, would like to hear tykes view on Heckingbottom.?
My own opinion is that Hecky is a better coach than he is a manager .
When things are running against him he's not shy to use the media to blame everyone else .
My biggest gripe with Hecky was the way he told the media following a defeat at Rotherham pre season that the players he'd had recruited for him weren't good enough for the championship .
These would be the replacements for Connor Hourihane , Sam Winnall , James Bree , Marc Roberts , Andy Yiadom , Marley Watkins and Josh Scowen who were sold in January or earlier in that summer window .
Admittedly he had the heart removed from a very good championship team but he was well aware of the club's model when he took the job on .
You could understand his frustration but I didn't particularly like the way he went about it .
It didn't exactly give the young new recruits embarking on a championship season much confidence .
That said he didn't do a bad job and we only actually fell in to the relegation places in the championship after he left for Leeds following further squabbles over recruitment in the January window .
He failed spectacular at Leeds with almost the same squad Bielsa inherited , I think Hecky won three games in four months at Elland Road .
He pulled no trees up at Hibernian either in the SPL .
I personally believe you can do better than Hecky but that's just my opinion .
As a number two I think he'd be fine but as I say as a manager I think there are too many question marks .
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Heckingbottom sounds better than we’re fecking bottom.
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“I think British football is more intense and more physical. Also, the referees act differently. I like it a lot.
“The focus is more on how to be better than the opponent without trying to get easy free-kicks or penalties. The focus was more on the game itself.
This old article makes me think, if only. He really would be ideal.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/daniel-stendel-hungry-his-next-challenge-2996472
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Absolute curveball here; Guerino Capretti. He manages Verl in the German 3rd division, they had previously been a middling non league team, two seasons as manager, 2 promotions, now they sit 6th, but have scored the most goals.
Apropos of nothing, but it's not the merry go round, and random foreign managers seems to be working out at Oakwell.
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“I think British football is more intense and more physical. Also, the referees act differently. I like it a lot.
“The focus is more on how to be better than the opponent without trying to get easy free-kicks or penalties. The focus was more on the game itself.
This old article makes me think, if only. He really would be ideal.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/daniel-stendel-hungry-his-next-challenge-2996472
Well as I said in my previous post Hecky didn't rate the young group he had recruited for him and yet Stendel turned some of that group in to very good championship players at other clubs today bringing the club in around £15m for an outlay of around £3m .
It goes without saying which Manager I'd be going for if I was one of the Rovers hierarchy .
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Can anyone point me in the direction of the latest odds? Would be interested to see.
Nick - link is here
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623 (https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623)
Updated
Paul Heckingbottom
10/11
Richie Wellens
7/2
George Boateng
7/1
Micky Mellon
10/1
Phil Parkinson
12/1
James Coppinger
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Nicky Butt
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Andy Butler
25/1
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Thanks
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“I think British football is more intense and more physical. Also, the referees act differently. I like it a lot.
“The focus is more on how to be better than the opponent without trying to get easy free-kicks or penalties. The focus was more on the game itself.
This old article makes me think, if only. He really would be ideal.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/daniel-stendel-hungry-his-next-challenge-2996472
Get him called... 0049....
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New favourite?
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“I think British football is more intense and more physical. Also, the referees act differently. I like it a lot.
“The focus is more on how to be better than the opponent without trying to get easy free-kicks or penalties. The focus was more on the game itself.
This old article makes me think, if only. He really would be ideal.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/daniel-stendel-hungry-his-next-challenge-2996472
Well as I said in my previous post Hecky didn't rate the young group he had recruited for him and yet Stendel turned some of that group in to very good championship players at other clubs today bringing the club in around £15m for an outlay of around £3m .
It goes without saying which Manager I'd be going for if I was one of the Rovers hierarchy .
Tyke, I think most of us want Stendel, but I doubt that he'll be within our wage bracket.
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New favourite?
Same as this morning.
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New favourite?
Same as this morning.
And means just as much. ie feck all.
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I really don’t get why anyone is paying any attention to the betting odds at this stage.
The application date hasn’t even passed yet, so the club will still be receiving more applications so they won’t have even started the shortlist yet
The adds at this stage will be driven by people having an early bet, based on no real facts and names that have been picked up on message forums etc
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I’d have a look at Dean Holden, recently disgracefully sacked by Bristol City. He was a midfielder here at Wanderers then Assistand then manager at Bristol. A lot of us would have liked him at Bolton but the board went for Evatt and it looks like it was the right call. Anyway, I hope you get someone that suits your aspirations and that we can both achieve promotion next season.
Dean Holden has just been appointed as assistant to Michael O'Neill at Stoke. I also thought of him as a possible candidate.....I guess he still might be.
Cheers Micky, hadn’t heard that, good for him.
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I see Aidy Boothroyd is to leave his role as England's U21 manager. Did well at Watford. I wonder if it's taken his interest?
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I see Aidy Boothroyd is to leave his role as England's U21 manager. Did well at Watford. I wonder if it's taken his interest?
Christ on a bike I hope not! Think the game's passed him by.
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I see Aidy Boothroyd is to leave his role as England's U21 manager. Did well at Watford. I wonder if it's taken his interest?
Christ on a bike I hope not! Think the game's passed him by.
I think he trailed his departure a few weeks ago by throwing his hands in air and arguing the U21 job was pointless as the talent gets hived off into the senior squad.
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If you want to enjoy your football, don’t employ Phil Parkinson. Mind you it would be interesting to see what would happen if one day you had to play (or not?) your youth team!! To be fair, though it might be purgatory to watch, he could get you promoted. Problem is, like with us, he’d get you relegated again like he has all four Championship teams he’s been at.
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Totally irrational and probably culturally incorrect but I wouldn’t want Parkinson because of his 70’s centre-parting haircut....says “dinosaur” to me on many levels, including football management
Apologies to offended hair purists.
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Totally irrational and probably culturally incorrect but I wouldn’t want Parkinson because of his 70’s centre-parting haircut....says “dinosaur” to me on many levels, including football management
Apologies to offended hair purists.
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My centre parting is about 4" wide but no offence taken. :(
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“I think British football is more intense and more physical. Also, the referees act differently. I like it a lot.
“The focus is more on how to be better than the opponent without trying to get easy free-kicks or penalties. The focus was more on the game itself.
This old article makes me think, if only. He really would be ideal.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/daniel-stendel-hungry-his-next-challenge-2996472
Well as I said in my previous post Hecky didn't rate the young group he had recruited for him and yet Stendel turned some of that group in to very good championship players at other clubs today bringing the club in around £15m for an outlay of around £3m .
It goes without saying which Manager I'd be going for if I was one of the Rovers hierarchy .
Tyke, I think most of us want Stendel, but I doubt that he'll be within our wage bracket.
I wouldn't have thought Big Daz was exactly cheap either .
All I'm saying is that whilst Hecky and Stendel both achieved promotion from league one to the championship at my club the differentials are huge .
Stendel came armed with a playing style that he's very good at making work .
Hecky bless him is a putting a plaster on the the wound type of man , the stop the rot man , get the results but it's got a very limited time span .
Stendel has vision, a guy that could potentially change the whole club , change its culture for the better .
Without Stendel we wouldn't sit tonight where we do , that's a solid fact .
In my opinion Rovers go for the safe as you were appointment with Hecky or you go with the rock n roll Stendel who shakes the whole thing up .
There wouldn't have been a capitulation this season under Stendel at Rovers as you've witnessed I can honestly say that .
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Tyke,
I do see that Stendel brings with him a complete vision of how football should be played.
Don't doubt the appeal of that amongst us, since the Rovers have experience of a manager in this mold before, with Sean O Driscoll.
If the obstacles could be overcome, there's no doubt it would be an exciting prospect. I do think he would suit the set up at the Rovers very well too. It does look as though the obstacles are large though.
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Absolute curveball here; Guerino Capretti. He manages Verl in the German 3rd division, they had previously been a middling non league team, two seasons as manager, 2 promotions, now they sit 6th, but have scored the most goals.
Apropos of nothing, but it's not the merry go round, and random foreign managers seems to be working out at Oakwell.
My curve ball would be Temur Ketsbaia. Improved Georgia when he was manager and seems to have done well elsewhere. My top pick however would be Brian McDermott.
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Tyke,
I do see that Stendel brings with him a complete vision of how football should be played.
Don't doubt the appeal of that amongst us, since the Rovers have experience of a manager in this mold before, with Sean O Driscoll.
If the obstacles could be overcome, there's no doubt it would be an exciting prospect. It does look as though the obstacles are large though.
I take your point RD but this is a risk and reward industry .
There is no getting past that if clubs like ourselves want to progress to a level we desire .
Hecky's safe , he'll do ok .
The question is what's ok ? .
Competitive in league one but as you are ?
Somebody has to come in and get you over the line in league one .
Quite rightly you want to be the championship and in my opinion the financial dice has to be shaken at some point .
I'm not talking stupid money , it's Daniel Stendel not Pep or Klopp .
He's out of work and desperate to get back in and not exactly in the greatest position .
He's in exactly the same position as he was when Hanover sacked him and he took the job at Barnsley .
There's no difference in my opinion .
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The difference maybe Brexit and whether or not he would be able to work in the UK now.
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I really think we should be banging Stendel’s door down to make it happen. I think he would get the time and love to make something happen.
Vorsprung Durch Technik!
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I really think we should be banging Stendel’s door down to make it happen. I think he would get the time and love to make something happen.
Vorsprung Durch Technik!
Me too
Question for sm , would the board approach stendel ,even if he hasn't applied,, show some interest in that he would be a good candidate? Especially if he is without a club?
He sounds like the best match by far and sell the dream that he has time to build a great squad.
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I really think we should be banging Stendel’s door down to make it happen. I think he would get the time and love to make something happen.
Vorsprung Durch Technik!
Me too
Question for sm , would the board approach stendel ,even if he hasn't applied,, show some interest in that he would be a good candidate? Especially if he is without a club?
He sounds like the best match by far and sell the dream that he has time to build a great squad.
People did say their favourite football to watch was McCanns and Stendel is McCann but more.
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Absolute curveball here; Guerino Capretti. He manages Verl in the German 3rd division, they had previously been a middling non league team, two seasons as manager, 2 promotions, now they sit 6th, but have scored the most goals.
Apropos of nothing, but it's not the merry go round, and random foreign managers seems to be working out at Oakwell.
My curve ball would be Temur Ketsbaia. Improved Georgia when he was manager and seems to have done well elsewhere. My top pick however would be Brian McDermott.
McDermott not managed anywhere for 5 years
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I really think we should be banging Stendel’s door down to make it happen. I think he would get the time and love to make something happen.
Vorsprung Durch Technik!
Me too
Question for sm , would the board approach stendel ,even if he hasn't applied,, show some interest in that he would be a good candidate? Especially if he is without a club?
He sounds like the best match by far and sell the dream that he has time to build a great squad.
If he doesn't apply then surely he isn't interested?
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I really think we should be banging Stendel’s door down to make it happen. I think he would get the time and love to make something happen.
Vorsprung Durch Technik!
Me too
Question for sm , would the board approach stendel ,even if he hasn't applied,, show some interest in that he would be a good candidate? Especially if he is without a club?
He sounds like the best match by far and sell the dream that he has time to build a great squad.
If he doesn't apply then surely he isn't interested?
That maybe true but then again perhaps he's not aware of how we do things at Rovers? I can't help thinking the setup here would suit him down to the ground.
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Rovers at the minute would be a dream job as a a manager, particularly if you cared more about your CV than money.
Blank canvas squad wise, board that gives you time to do whatever you want, top half league 1 budget, and a fan base(generally) without the entitlement of the ex Prem clubs.
I fully believe that Stendel would buy into that.
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I really think we should be banging Stendel’s door down to make it happen. I think he would get the time and love to make something happen.
Vorsprung Durch Technik!
Me too
Question for sm , would the board approach stendel ,even if he hasn't applied,, show some interest in that he would be a good candidate? Especially if he is without a club?
He sounds like the best match by far and sell the dream that he has time to build a great squad.
If he doesn't apply then surely he isn't interested?
We haven't had much luck in the managers that was interested?
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Tyke has done a great selling job on me regarding Stendel.
I hope he is on our boards radar and they would be pro active in trying to get him ( or at the very least get him to the interview stage ) if he has not actually applied for the job.
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The w**kfest over Stendel is an odd one. Pretty much zero chance of getting him and people only know him because he did a good job at a local club.
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Tyke has done a great selling job on me regarding Stendel.
I hope he is on our boards radar and they would be pro active in trying to get him
( or at least get him to the interview stage ) if he hasn’t actually applied for the job.
I think It's worth pointing out Campsall that whilst I've given Daniel the big drum roll he needs the right players to ensure his style of play works .
The two full backs , midfield and forwards have to be monumentally fit , athletic and dynamic , you cannot carry anyone with this style of play .
It's front foot football ,
play in your opponents half , as soon as the ball is turned over the players hunt in packs to win it back very quickly , there's no place for shirkers .
It can be overcome if your opponents can play through it , there aren't too many in league one who possess that kind of ability .
There was only one team who did that to us and that was Rovers in the 1-1 draw at Oakwell in the entire season .
As I say mate , Daniel Stendel alone is only half the deal because he needs the right players to make it work .
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Just to add that when it was announced Daniel had got the Barnsley HC job we knew what we were getting with his style of play .
The big question was some of the players we had and doubts were expressed whether they'd be capable of playing this way .
On the face of it Cavare , Thiam , PInillos , Mowatt and Kieffer Moore didn't seem to us to have the capabilities for this style at all .
Clearly they bought in to it so it is possible that Daniel's methods can be transferred to a group who possibly play a very different way at the moment .
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If we get into the play offs who'd be the manager then? A new guy or let Butler finish what he started? :laugh:
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Just to add that when it was announced Daniel had got the Barnsley HC job we knew what we were getting with his style of play .
The big question was some of the players we had and doubts were expressed whether they'd be capable of playing this way .
On the face of it Cavare , Thiam , PInillos , Mowatt and Kieffer Moore didn't seem to us to have the capabilities for this style at all .
Clearly they bought in to it so it is possible that Daniel's methods can be transferred to a group who possibly play a very different way at the moment .
Is he a long term manager out of interest? If and its a bug if, he did get the job and got rovers up. Does his style suit the championship? I'm not convinced it does
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Just to add that when it was announced Daniel had got the Barnsley HC job we knew what we were getting with his style of play .
The big question was some of the players we had and doubts were expressed whether they'd be capable of playing this way .
On the face of it Cavare , Thiam , PInillos , Mowatt and Kieffer Moore didn't seem to us to have the capabilities for this style at all .
Clearly they bought in to it so it is possible that Daniel's methods can be transferred to a group who possibly play a very different way at the moment .
Is he a long term manager out of interest? If and its a bug if, he did get the job and got rovers up. Does his style suit the championship? I'm not convinced it does
He's from the same school as Klopp. I'd say with the right personnel there is every chance it would work in the Championship.
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Just to add that when it was announced Daniel had got the Barnsley HC job we knew what we were getting with his style of play .
The big question was some of the players we had and doubts were expressed whether they'd be capable of playing this way .
On the face of it Cavare , Thiam , PInillos , Mowatt and Kieffer Moore didn't seem to us to have the capabilities for this style at all .
Clearly they bought in to it so it is possible that Daniel's methods can be transferred to a group who possibly play a very different way at the moment .
Is he a long term manager out of interest? If and its a bug if, he did get the job and got rovers up. Does his style suit the championship? I'm not convinced it does
Even though Daniel , Struber and Val play high press football all three go about it in different ways .
It is a very adaptable style of play and can be adjusted to meet the demands that face you .
Val plays a very high defensive line for instance bordering on insanity , Daniel and Struber did not but all three have done remarkably well none the less .
As ever in football , recruitment is king to meet the demands .
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The w**kfest over Stendel is an odd one. Pretty much zero chance of getting him and people only know him because he did a good job at a local club.
And you know this how, exactly?
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Our new man......?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56788483
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Flick off!
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Not sure we could afford Herr Flick, But how about his assistant Von smallhausen?
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Heard this morning that Hecky is heavily linked to take the England under 21 job .
Don't know how true it is mind but that's what I've been told .
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I'm not saying whether I'd be in favour of this or not, but I've always had the feeling that Warnock would manage us at some point. He's spoken highly of Rovers, in the past, but at 72 and currently at a club, time is running out.
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We'll, that's it, the deadline has passed.
On to the next phase of the process :bscarf:
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Think we will start seeing bits of movement in the betting markets now. We should get a bit of an idea of the shortlist.
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The weeding out starts today. The interview list will be drawn up on Friday.
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Can anyone point me in the direction of the latest odds? Would be interested to see.
Nick - link is here
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623 (https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/27451623)
Updated
Paul Heckingbottom
10/11
Richie Wellens
7/2
George Boateng
7/1
Micky Mellon
10/1
Phil Parkinson
12/1
James Coppinger
16/1
Keith Curle
20/1
Nicky Butt
20/1
Uwe Rosler
20/1
Andy Butler
25/1
Update as of now.
Not much change.
Paul Heckingbottom
10/11
Richie Wellens
7/2
George Boateng
7/1
Micky Mellon
10/1
Phil Parkinson
12/1
Chris Coleman
16/1
James Coppinger
16/1
Uwe Rosler
16/1
Aidy Boothroyd
20/1
Derek McInnes
20/1
Nicky Butt
20/1
Andy Butler
25/1
Daniel Stendel
25/1
Keith Curle
25/1
Paul Tisdale
25/1
Bernard Morley & Anthony Johnson
33/1
Curtis Woodhouse
33/1
Neil Harris
33/1
Neil Lennon
33/1
Roy Keane
33/1
Sean O'Driscoll
33/1
Frank Lampard
40/1
Garry Monk
40/1
Ian Holloway
40/1
John Terry
40/1
Mike Newell
40/1
Phil Brown
40/1
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Jesus, George Boateng still lurking, hopefully that has just come from some daft betting
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Money has come in on Coleman this week and Rosler over the weekend
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Jesus, George Boateng still lurking, hopefully that has just come from some daft betting
Not sure why that would be a disaster? A wildcard for sure, given lack of managerial experience, but a good playing career and he’s been coaching Aston Villa youth - presumably with some success looking at the likes of Ramsey.
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McCann was a bit of a random one and he didn't turn out too bad.
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Coleman?? Listeened to him as a pundit the other night, paint drying seemed more interesting
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Absolute curveball here; Guerino Capretti. He manages Verl in the German 3rd division, they had previously been a middling non league team, two seasons as manager, 2 promotions, now they sit 6th, but have scored the most goals.
Apropos of nothing, but it's not the merry go round, and random foreign managers seems to be working out at Oakwell.
My curve ball would be Temur Ketsbaia. Improved Georgia when he was manager and seems to have done well elsewhere. My top pick however would be Brian McDermott.
McDermott not managed anywhere for 5 years
McDermott has not managed anyone in that time because he was with Arsenal backroom. Always played it the right way and will have more contacts not less because of his time with them.