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Last week I took food from one Academy School around here to a School 10 miles away in the same academy, I can confirm the food I took, in bulk, was broadly in line with the pictures posted during last week
Quote from: Filo on January 16, 2021, 08:44:22 pmLast week I took food from one Academy School around here to a School 10 miles away in the same academy, I can confirm the food I took, in bulk, was broadly in line with the pictures posted during last weekHow broadly?
Belton, some posters will ask you for evidence of what you have seen but they won’t ask Filo to provide evidence of what he saw.
Quote from: drfchound on January 17, 2021, 09:05:09 amBelton, some posters will ask you for evidence of what you have seen but they won’t ask Filo to provide evidence of what he saw.Belton has evidence from his personal experince. I have evidence from my personal experince, Filo has from his personal experience.Non of us yet has found evidence to say what most of the children on free school meals in the country are recieving - other than what parents and school staff have posted on social media.Most pertinantly, no-one has provided any evidence to say that the vast majority of these children, in England, are not receiving school packages in line with offical government recommendations that Johnson himself described as unacceptable.I would be delighted to see it, but as yet all we have is the odd school ignoring the government and going beyond these.Personally I think the government should link up with local cafes/restaraunts/pubs/taxi firms and get them to provide the FSM - this would provide an income for those businesses and a meal for the children. Failing that the vouchers do seem to be the way to go as then the money allocated to the child for food will be reaching the family, rather than being scammed off by the corporate service company.
Quote from: drfchound on January 17, 2021, 09:05:09 amBelton, some posters will ask you for evidence of what you have seen but they won’t ask Filo to provide evidence of what he saw.You either trust my word or you don’t, I don’t do lies, and that is what you are implying, frankly I don’t care if you believe me or not
Quote from: belton rover on January 15, 2021, 10:36:18 pmI accept it BillyYou’re only criticising the things you think are worthy of criticism.But you also posted a menu of food that is absolutely not a true reflection of what most of our needy children are receiving.Scandalous.Do you have any evidence for this Belton? The only contradictory evidence that I have seen of schools, sending out more than what the government has recommended is from me and you here and a few callers on the radio who say they are local resteraunts providing school meals in their area free of charge. This would appear to be individual schools going against government guidance rather than praise for companies following it.Marcus Rashford said he had been contacted by thousands of parents, there have been dozens of callers on the radio from all over the country and photos and reports in many local papers, including in Wiltshire, of schools sending out parcels similar to that Billy posted.I would like to think most are not - but I haven't seen any evidence of that?
I accept it BillyYou’re only criticising the things you think are worthy of criticism.But you also posted a menu of food that is absolutely not a true reflection of what most of our needy children are receiving.Scandalous.
Quote from: belton rover on January 16, 2021, 12:37:24 pmQuote from: wilts rover on January 16, 2021, 10:28:35 amQuote from: belton rover on January 15, 2021, 10:36:18 pmI accept it BillyYou’re only criticising the things you think are worthy of criticism.But you also posted a menu of food that is absolutely not a true reflection of what most of our needy children are receiving.Scandalous.Do you have any evidence for this Belton? The only contradictory evidence that I have seen of schools, sending out more than what the government has recommended is from me and you here and a few callers on the radio who say they are local resteraunts providing school meals in their area free of charge. This would appear to be individual schools going against government guidance rather than praise for companies following it.Marcus Rashford said he had been contacted by thousands of parents, there have been dozens of callers on the radio from all over the country and photos and reports in many local papers, including in Wiltshire, of schools sending out parcels similar to that Billy posted.I would like to think most are not - but I haven't seen any evidence of that?No evidence in terms of thousands of people contacting Marcus Rashford to say they are happy with free school meals, or dozens of people on the radio expressing their thanks for the meals.I listened to a radio show where callers were urged to call in about the disgraceful free meals. Several did. I called in to give an alternative opinion from my own experience of local kids and parents being happy with their parcels. I never got past the producer.I can only assume my views didn’t fit in with the radio station’s narrative.So you don't have any evidence that the menu that posted is not what most of our needy children are recieving then?Despite it being the offical government guidance of what our needy children should recieve?
Quote from: wilts rover on January 16, 2021, 10:28:35 amQuote from: belton rover on January 15, 2021, 10:36:18 pmI accept it BillyYou’re only criticising the things you think are worthy of criticism.But you also posted a menu of food that is absolutely not a true reflection of what most of our needy children are receiving.Scandalous.Do you have any evidence for this Belton? The only contradictory evidence that I have seen of schools, sending out more than what the government has recommended is from me and you here and a few callers on the radio who say they are local resteraunts providing school meals in their area free of charge. This would appear to be individual schools going against government guidance rather than praise for companies following it.Marcus Rashford said he had been contacted by thousands of parents, there have been dozens of callers on the radio from all over the country and photos and reports in many local papers, including in Wiltshire, of schools sending out parcels similar to that Billy posted.I would like to think most are not - but I haven't seen any evidence of that?No evidence in terms of thousands of people contacting Marcus Rashford to say they are happy with free school meals, or dozens of people on the radio expressing their thanks for the meals.I listened to a radio show where callers were urged to call in about the disgraceful free meals. Several did. I called in to give an alternative opinion from my own experience of local kids and parents being happy with their parcels. I never got past the producer.I can only assume my views didn’t fit in with the radio station’s narrative.
It’s a very clear point, Billy.Wilts asked me if I had evidence to support my personal experiences, and than pushed for further clarification that I had no evidence. Filo also described his personal experiences (different to mine) but no evidence appeared to be needed for his experience to be accepted.To be fair to Wilts, he doesn’t appear to have completely dismissed my views because of lack of evidence, but Hound’s very clear and valid point remains.
Wilts.Point of fact. Johnson didn't describe them as "unacceptable". He described them as "disgraceful".
Quote from: belton rover on January 17, 2021, 04:53:07 pmIt’s a very clear point, Billy.Wilts asked me if I had evidence to support my personal experiences, and than pushed for further clarification that I had no evidence. Filo also described his personal experiences (different to mine) but no evidence appeared to be needed for his experience to be accepted.To be fair to Wilts, he doesn’t appear to have completely dismissed my views because of lack of evidence, but Hound’s very clear and valid point remains.No he didn't.Quote from: wilts rover on January 16, 2021, 10:28:35 amQuote from: belton rover on January 15, 2021, 10:36:18 pmI accept it BillyYou’re only criticising the things you think are worthy of criticism.But you also posted a menu of food that is absolutely not a true reflection of what most of our needy children are receiving.Scandalous.Do you have any evidence for this Belton? The only contradictory evidence that I have seen of schools, sending out more than what the government has recommended is from me and you here and a few callers on the radio who say they are local resteraunts providing school meals in their area free of charge. This would appear to be individual schools going against government guidance rather than praise for companies following it.Marcus Rashford said he had been contacted by thousands of parents, there have been dozens of callers on the radio from all over the country and photos and reports in many local papers, including in Wiltshire, of schools sending out parcels similar to that Billy posted.I would like to think most are not - but I haven't seen any evidence of that?You said that what had been posted was 'absolutely not a true reflection of what most of our needy children are receiving'.I have never questioned your personal experince, I have thanked you for your personal experince. What I have asked for is the evidence to know that this is what most of the needy children across the country are receiving. Becuase their parents were saying it was what they were receiving.I presumed you had evidence of what was happening nationally that we were unaware of.
Belton.I asked you a perfectly respectful question. As I have done countless times over this past 6 months when you have clearly misrepresented something. Your response every single time has been to point blank refuse to address the fact that you had misrepresented the original post, and you then complain of bullying when people point it out. Over and over and over again.All you needed to do in this thread was hold your hand up and say, "Yep. I misread. Wilts didn't say what I accused him of saying." Dead easy. But you don't. Ever. And that's why I get pissed off with your approach. You say you chose to move on to "nip this in the bud." And if that was your intention, I apologise for misreading it. However, it doesn't address the underlying problem. That you continue to, accidentally or deliberately, misrepresent other people's posts.That's your right of course. But don't then complain about it being pointed out to you, as though that is unacceptable bullying. If everyone demands the right to regularly, clearly and unambiguously misrepresent what people say, and refuses ever to correct that, the whole concept of respectful, sensible discussion is out the window.
BeltonIf that was a conversation for you and Wilts, maybe you should have stuck to talking to Wilts instead of bringing me into it?For the record, YOU chose to post to ME, not the other way round. I wasn't talking with you. You initiated the conversation. And in doing so, you said something that was clearly and unquestionably incorrect and not helpful to the discussion. You said Wilts had asked you "if I had evidence to support my personal experiences, and than pushed for further clarification that I had no evidence." He clearly didn't do either of those things. If you post to me and say something that is quite obviously untrue, do you think it's my problem if I pick you up on it?I asked you to clarify what you had said in your post to me and you chose not to take the opportunity to correct it. Something that has happened depressingly frequently over recent months.It's a bit rich then to accuse me of spoiling the discussion. If you want to move on, that's grand. Maybe you should have considered that before you dragged me into the discussion?Wilts. If your post was aimed at me, I've no idea what point you were making. I didn't and wouldn't tell you what you were thinking. I commented in response to Belton's post to me, on what you clearly wrote, with no comment on what I thought you thought.