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Is there a clause in the new rule preventing circumvention by loading what would have counted as wages into a player's signing-on fee (ie wages upfront but called something else)?
How can Sunderland be made to have the same budget as Crewe when their income will be ten times as much probably. It’s nonsense.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 07, 2020, 03:58:32 pmIs there a clause in the new rule preventing circumvention by loading what would have counted as wages into a player's signing-on fee (ie wages upfront but called something else)?That BBC article in the OP seems to think so. It explicitly mentions bonuses and agents fees, which you imagine would cover what you mention. There'll be clubs who push it in some other way though! I remember it being a problem in Rugby Union recently.
Ronnie, i think it was stated we were just slightly higher last season but do not know about the season before, I am sure that Gavin stated there would be very little difference. 1969, I disagree it has been stated that the cap is only slightly less than our budget last season, and also stated we were in the top half of that division in budgets so quite a few teams were within the cap last season, also the one with the lowest budget Wycombe got promotion. What it does stop is sides like Portsmouth and Hull coming along as they did last season and doubling one of our players wages, so our standard will not suffer so much, and those clubs will no longer just depend on a check book to be top dogs. It works both ways, of course clubs may just go for one or two highly paid players and fill the rest with five very good loan players from the premiership and could result in feeder clubs by the back door.
Quote from: selby on August 07, 2020, 04:20:46 pmRonnie, i think it was stated we were just slightly higher last season but do not know about the season before, I am sure that Gavin stated there would be very little difference. 1969, I disagree it has been stated that the cap is only slightly less than our budget last season, and also stated we were in the top half of that division in budgets so quite a few teams were within the cap last season, also the one with the lowest budget Wycombe got promotion. What it does stop is sides like Portsmouth and Hull coming along as they did last season and doubling one of our players wages, so our standard will not suffer so much, and those clubs will no longer just depend on a check book to be top dogs. It works both ways, of course clubs may just go for one or two highly paid players and fill the rest with five very good loan players from the premiership and could result in feeder clubs by the back door. It is free enterprise and those who pay the bill should have the right say . It’s the punishment that’s wrong and the over seeing of clubs . If a club can’t pay it players wages then the punishment of points deduction should be instant and no be allowed to be dragged on until the club folds . Wages are not the biggest problem it’s contract lengths and agents fees with all the undisclosed add ons . Every transaction should be in the public domain and ban undisclosed fees statements. This agreement weakens players opportunities to earn their worth . Clubs WILL regret this day as it fails their supporters and will restrict ambition. Clubs will trawl the lower leagues for free players and turn out youth teams players on £300 a week mascarading as Professionals .
Silly question, but do players under 21 mean players in any U21 squad, or first team players who happen to be under 21 in age, by a certain date.?
Quote from: since-1969 on August 07, 2020, 05:01:13 pmQuote from: selby on August 07, 2020, 04:20:46 pmRonnie, i think it was stated we were just slightly higher last season but do not know about the season before, I am sure that Gavin stated there would be very little difference. 1969, I disagree it has been stated that the cap is only slightly less than our budget last season, and also stated we were in the top half of that division in budgets so quite a few teams were within the cap last season, also the one with the lowest budget Wycombe got promotion. What it does stop is sides like Portsmouth and Hull coming along as they did last season and doubling one of our players wages, so our standard will not suffer so much, and those clubs will no longer just depend on a check book to be top dogs. It works both ways, of course clubs may just go for one or two highly paid players and fill the rest with five very good loan players from the premiership and could result in feeder clubs by the back door. It is free enterprise and those who pay the bill should have the right say . It’s the punishment that’s wrong and the over seeing of clubs . If a club can’t pay it players wages then the punishment of points deduction should be instant and no be allowed to be dragged on until the club folds . Wages are not the biggest problem it’s contract lengths and agents fees with all the undisclosed add ons . Every transaction should be in the public domain and ban undisclosed fees statements. This agreement weakens players opportunities to earn their worth . Clubs WILL regret this day as it fails their supporters and will restrict ambition. Clubs will trawl the lower leagues for free players and turn out youth teams players on £300 a week mascarading as Professionals . Sorry that is b*llocks.There may be some players who feel disenfranchised with lower wages but it may be a case of take it or leave it. We may even get better quality players, who join because of managerial characters like DM, because they can’t be poached by other clubs paying more.Don’t forget football finances on the lower leagues are in a terrible situation with the pandemic, who’s to say that in a season or two the level of the salary cap may rise once football finances are in a better place.Would you rather be a league 1 pro footballer facing a pay cut with little other choice, or an airline pilot losing your job completely with nothing else available.? Or a pub worker losing their job.?
Quote from: TheFunk on August 07, 2020, 02:42:22 pmWe'll get a chance to see how good some managers really are. Yes I'm thinking of you Fergie.To be fair the one thing Ferguson was good at was finding good young players.
We'll get a chance to see how good some managers really are. Yes I'm thinking of you Fergie.
This is about wage constraints illegal in any language!!
Quote from: silent majority on August 07, 2020, 02:12:29 pmQuote from: GazLaz on August 07, 2020, 02:03:14 pmSurely it just gives the relegated teams a big advantage. To a point it does. So those players who are on continuous contracts have their salary measured as the average for that division. But with relegation clauses in a lot of contracts these days it might not be the advantage you think it is.The average championship wage will be ten times the average L1 wage. It’s stupid.
Quote from: GazLaz on August 07, 2020, 02:03:14 pmSurely it just gives the relegated teams a big advantage. To a point it does. So those players who are on continuous contracts have their salary measured as the average for that division. But with relegation clauses in a lot of contracts these days it might not be the advantage you think it is.
Surely it just gives the relegated teams a big advantage.
Quote from: since-1969 on August 07, 2020, 06:12:01 pmThis is about wage constraints illegal in any language!! No it’s not, you can pay a player what you like as long as the wage bill is under the cap
Quote from: GazLaz on August 07, 2020, 02:15:21 pmQuote from: silent majority on August 07, 2020, 02:12:29 pmQuote from: GazLaz on August 07, 2020, 02:03:14 pmSurely it just gives the relegated teams a big advantage. To a point it does. So those players who are on continuous contracts have their salary measured as the average for that division. But with relegation clauses in a lot of contracts these days it might not be the advantage you think it is.The average championship wage will be ten times the average L1 wage. It’s stupid. it int nonsense if we want all clubs to survive and not go out of business, it seems the PFA want that with saying it is illegal
Quote from: the vicar on August 07, 2020, 07:09:34 pmQuote from: GazLaz on August 07, 2020, 02:15:21 pmQuote from: silent majority on August 07, 2020, 02:12:29 pmQuote from: GazLaz on August 07, 2020, 02:03:14 pmSurely it just gives the relegated teams a big advantage. To a point it does. So those players who are on continuous contracts have their salary measured as the average for that division. But with relegation clauses in a lot of contracts these days it might not be the advantage you think it is.The average championship wage will be ten times the average L1 wage. It’s stupid. it int nonsense if we want all clubs to survive and not go out of business, it seems the PFA want that with saying it is illegal it not fair on those innovative, well-managed clubs who are prepared to have a go within their means.
https://www.efl.com/news/2016/january/fifty-five-years-to-the-day-20-maximum-wage-cap-abolished-by-football-league-clubs/What if players went on strike ?