Brexit deal

[Padge_DRFC]

remember when all the polls were remain......

[Padge_DRFC]

What happens if a second vote is close again but goes to remain?
Do we have the best of three?

Go to penalties 5 random remainders selected and 5 leavers selected and so on if sudden death needed

[johnny rovers]

2 and 3 are the same

[IDM]

What happens if a second vote is close again but goes to remain?
Do we have the best of three?

The vote should be do we accept brexit under the terms on offer.. if yes, fair dos, if not, then the government either needs to present a better deal or revisit brexit a few years hence, perhaps combined with a general election manifesto..

[rich1471]

Can we have one that's says don't 90% of people are moaning and half voted to leave I'm not say the pm is right or wrong with the deal she has got but I can guarantee people will still moan

[drfchound]

Can we have one that's says don't 90% of people are moaning and half voted to leave I'm not say the pm is right or wrong with the deal she has got but I can guarantee people will still moan

One for the punctuation police to have a look at lads.

[RedJ]

I can't even work out what that sentence is meant to be saying tbh.

[IDM]

Shouldn’t this be off topic.?

[Filo]

Why don’t we get a chance to vote on this “deal”.?

Why should we? I thought parliament was sovereign?

Yes, I wonder why the PM won’t act on the Will of Parliament and publish the full legal advice?

[besty]

Shouldn’t this be off topic.?

Totally agree lets bring it back to Rovers.

Will we be able to sign quality players from the EU like Van Nieustaddt and Priet ??(excuse spellings)

[Bentley Bullet]

Can we have a vote on removing subjects that don't belong here and sending them to their rightful place?

 This is a football forum.

[wilts rover]

Thanks Branton as I thought this thread is the Brexit debate in microcosm. After 18 months of posturturing and pointless negotiation Theresa May has suceeding in uniting the country in so far as most people think her deal is terrible. The country is still deeply divided and if anything views have hardened.

I voted for Anything else because:

a) some sort of close CU/SM agreement is the only possible deal that will mitigate the effect of leaving the EU whilst still leaving the EU

b) I dont think May will have the vote. Throughout her time as PM if it has ever looked as though she would loose she has either backed down or avoided the vote. There's nowhere to back down too this time.

[IDM]

The whole brexit thing is a clusterf**k of the highest order..

[bpoolrover]

Let’s have a general election and vote labour in, that way we can do what it says in there manifesto! We still get to leave

[BillyStubbsTears]

Righto then BS.

There's 50,000 tonnes of food per day imported through UK ports from the EU.

None of that has to be inspected or customs checked. 

Enlighten us. When we have a Hard Brexit, how do we manage the fact that all of this will have to be checked and recorded. Given that we haven't built any extra infrastructure, or employed any more border officials.

[bedale rover]

Why don’t we get a chance to vote on this “deal”.?

Why should we? I thought parliament was sovereign?

The people are sovereign parliament acts on our behalf

[Boomstick]

Why don’t we get a chance to vote on this “deal”.?

Why should we? I thought parliament was sovereign?

The people are sovereign parliament acts on our behalf

Not according to the remoaners on here, according to them (mainly bst) parliament is sovereign, and the refferendum was just advisory.

Pound to a pinch of shit, that if we had another people's vote and remain won, they wouldn't be saying the same

[bobjimwilly]

Not according to the remoaners on here, according to them (mainly bst) parliament is sovereign, and the refferendum was just advisory.

FACT

[Boomstick]

Righto then BS.

There's 50,000 tonnes of food per day imported through UK ports from the EU.

None of that has to be inspected or customs checked. 

Enlighten us. When we have a Hard Brexit, how do we manage the fact that all of this will have to be checked and recorded. Given that we haven't built any extra infrastructure, or employed any more border officials.

First of all, show me the evidence of 50 000 tonnes, and the evidence that NONE of it has to be checked.

Yes there may be some delays, INITIALLY, but it hardly would be a disaster, and would get ironed out quickly out of necessity.

How much do we export anyway?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You're a strange one BS.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1JV1JE

Do you regularly deal with people who make shit up to win arguments?

[Boomstick]

Not according to the remoaners on here, according to them (mainly bst) parliament is sovereign, and the refferendum was just advisory.

FACT

Thankyou, there is no right of a people's vote, or a second referendum, and if there is then it's only advisory and holds no legal clout . I.e. pointless.

Remoaners who demand a second referendum. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

[Boomstick]

You're a strange one BS.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1JV1JE

Do you regularly deal with people who make shit up to win arguments?

I refer you to my previous post

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not according to the remoaners on here, according to them (mainly bst) parliament is sovereign, and the refferendum was just advisory.

FACT

Precisely

It's astonishing how many people have strident opinions about our democratic system without actually understanding it.

Parliament is the over-riding sovereign body in this country.

The people vote Parliamentarians in, but then it is Parliament's decision as to what happens.

Cameron (and any other MP who said it) was dangerously out of order in saying that Parliament must follow the decision of any referendum. It is not in the power of anyone, PM or anyone else to make that sort of decision.

If you want to live in a plebiscitary democracy, campaign for it and vote for MPs who would work to change our constitutional system. It's a lot more productive and positive than pontificating about what you think people who you disagree with might have thought in hypothetical scenarios.

[ss1953]

We have triggered article 50
We will leave the EU next March.
Whether we leave with the deal the PM has negotiated or no deal is now up to Parliament.
Unless there is more negotiation, there are no other alternatives. Full stop. 

Everything else is hot air.

We cannot reverse article 50

[BillyStubbsTears]

You're a strange one BS.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1JV1JE

Do you regularly deal with people who make shit up to win arguments?

I refer you to my previous post

You've lost me. There's a piece quoting UK retail industry spokespeople saying that we import 50,000 tonnes of food a day from the EU with minimal inspection.

What are you wanting? A hologram of a customs officer to tell you to your face?

[BillyStubbsTears]

We have triggered article 50
We will leave the EU next March.
Whether we leave with the deal the PM has negotiated or no deal is now up to Parliament.
Unless there is more negotiation, there are no other alternatives. Full stop. 

Everything else is hot air.

We cannot reverse article 50

Of course we can.

[RedJ]

The bloke who wrote it even said we can reverse it...

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS1953

You're buying into May's nonsense.

She wants people to think the decision is between her deal and no deal. Because, as No Deal is utter lunacy which will cripple us economically for a generation, people will then support her deal.

Frankly, that is utter b*llocks. There are many other possibilities.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BS. You've hit the nail on the head here.

"Yes there may be some delays, INITIALLY, but it hardly would be a disaster, and would get ironed out quickly out of necessity."

Of course we wouldn't run out of food. Because that would be lunacy.

What we would do, is ignore the very thing that we had voted for. We'd ignore the fact that we'd left the CU and SM, and carry on accepting food from the EU without checks, as though nothing had happened. And we'd do the same thing with all other goods from the EU.

Of course we would. Because the alternative would be mass starvation and industry grinding to a halt and of course that's not going to happen.




Oh yeah. Hang on a minute though.

WTO rules, which we would be then moving onto, state explicitly that a nation cannot give preferential treatment to one WTO member without giving it to all.

So, if we allow EU goods in with no customs payments, no quality checks, no hygiene checks, no safety checks, we also have to do that to all our imports from every other country on the planet.

Taking back control of our borders eh? That's showing the world who is in charge.

[BillyStubbsTears]

As of now, 39% of people who have voted have said they want a No Deal or clean break Brexit.

I'm fascinated.

Have you seen the predictions of the effect of  a Hard Brexit?

Forget the idiots who shout Project Fear everytime someone points out a problem. Put them to one side for a moment, and keep them there u til they explain why everything will be alright.

Then go and look at what pretty much EVERY economics expert is saying about Hard Brexit.

They are saying that a Hard Brexit will mean that the UK will lose 5-10% of GDP for the foreseeable future.

Let that sink in for a minute.

And then think about the last recession.

Then, we lost 2-3% of GDP for 18 months.

The result was that unemployment went up by nearly a million. And wages have stagnated for a decade.

So I'm really fascinated. What benefits do you see that justify the economic carnage that pretty much everyone says will be the result of a Hard Brexit?

Or, if you don't believe those predictions, why not? What do YOU think will happen?