Local Elections

[Sprotyrover]

If Starmer Presses ahead with the latest b’Open Borders Policy’ it might be the case!

[BillyStubbsTears]

What the f**k are you rambling on about?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Maybe there IS a future for the Tory party.

https://twitter.com/andy4wm/status/1786861060764410287

I've been impressed with him.

If he and similar can win the party back from the far right Culture War headcases, maybe we will see a reasonable, decent, competent centre-right party again in our lifetimes?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The alternative is that the Tory party gets dominated by horrible sour faced racists like this cow.

https://youtu.be/-dUONqgA1eU?si=airNJDOoGyCO2T46

[River Don]

I see Braverman has diagnosed the problem. The Conservative government is just too socialist, they need to push more firmly to the right.

You have to marvel at the lunacy of it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see Braverman has diagnosed the problem. The Conservative government is just too socialist, they need to push more firmly to the right.

You have to marvel at the lunacy of it.

They are following the path that the Republican party went down 20 years ago.

The right doesn't have a socio-economic basis anymore, so all they have left is trying to embitter and wind up people against The Other.

You see it working in here.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

You'd think they'd have a brain.  Centrist policies win elections not movements to the left or right.

Ultimately of course if they keep moving too far they will get voted out and something will take their place opposing labour.

Boris made mistakes but he was the best leader of that party.  There are and were some good people still within the Tories.

The interesting thing is that in this country no one party still ever really convinces the electorate, fascinating that.

[Sprotyrover]

What the f**k are you rambling on about?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/

[albie]

BST,

Sorry you are having such difficulty with these issues.
You need to understand that a link can be posted because it is relevant to the topic.
It does NOT mean that the poster always agrees with the content of the link...they may, or may not.

The Sky link is NOT my prediction, it is their own.

Put simply, the point I made is the difference between a probability and a possibility.
At the moment, it is not probable that the GE will mean a hung parliament, but the possibility has increased as a result of the impact of Galloway and Reform.
In this regard, the Sky article has a point, but how much of one remains unclear.

Look no further than the West Midlands Mayoral election.
A narrow win for Labour with a reduced vote, but the Tories have lost even more voters.
Both Reform and an Independent drew significant numbers, which pulled down the votes for both main parties.

The important takeaway is that both will have a distorting influence on the next GE, and that impact will be important in particular constituencies.
Whether that possible impact increases or decreases between now and the next GE is anyone's guess.

[albie]

What the f**k are you rambling on about?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/

Sproty,

As far as I know, Labour have not committed to fully reverse the Rwanda scheme.
Cooper was very evasive when questioned on that.

Now that may change, as the wind blows, but I am not sure Miriam Cates in the Telegraph knows what she is on about, apart from getting a good headline.

[IDM]

The GE is going to be down - in my opinion - to which party the voters want to govern, rather than the best candidate for each seat.  It’s a quirk of our system that for each constituency, it’s the one with most votes who wins as opposed to an outright majority.  The more candidates there are, and the more votes parties like the Greens and Reform get, the fewer votes the probable Labour or Tory winner would need.  High 30s % probably enough for the seat, and get enough seats you get the majority in the HoC despite 60% plus of the folks who voted, not voting for them.

PR would mean these other parties could/would make a huge difference at GE time, but with the present system they may just take enough (say) Tory votes for Reform, to hand a safe blue seat to Labour.

Fairly obvious I know, but unless all the people who don’t want KS as the next PM vote Tory, he will win.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Meant to add the Tories are definitely on GE mode. Had a flyer through for a candidate for Doncaster north in the election this week.

That's probably an indicator of where they're at.  I definitely do not live in Doncaster north even after boundary changes.

[Sprotyrover]

Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo

[drfchound]

Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo

Sporty, you do know that they are going to blame the current government for that though.
Ready made excuses for any failings they may make in the next few years.

[IDM]

Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo

Sporty, you do know that they are going to blame the current government for that though.
Ready made excuses for any failings they may make in the next few years.

Let’s be honest here, any government of any colour blames its predecessor.

[drfchound]

Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo

Sporty, you do know that they are going to blame the current government for that though.
Ready made excuses for any failings they may make in the next few years.

Let’s be honest here, any government of any colour blames its predecessor.

I fully agree with that IDM.
Sadly, many on here don’t see that.

[ravenrover]

What the f**k are you rambling on about?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/

Sproty,

As far as I know, Labour have not committed to fully reverse the Rwanda scheme.
Cooper was very evasive when questioned on that.

Now that may change, as the wind blows, but I am not sure Miriam Cates in the Telegraph knows what she is on about, apart from getting a good headline.

Whilst.not saying they would stop a flight on the runway if elected both Starmer and Cooper have both said they would "get rid" of the plan

[Bristol Red Rover]

Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo

I think Starmer is in for a while, the coup (sp) will hold strong, unlike pigeon English.

[BillyStubbsTears]

What the f**k are you rambling on about?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/

You've just won the "Say you know f**k all about politics without saying 'I know f**k all about politics'" challenge.

Seriously? You read something by a Culture War gobshite like Cates and you think it accurately describes Labour policy?

God f**king hell us if people like you have a vote.

[danumdon]

A few on here who think screaming the loudest means they are always right. It never works that way.

Plenty of snippets coming out of Labour sources that would lead anyone of a fair disposition to think that this incarnation of Labour are very much lacking in any original thought or policies.

Will be very interesting when the election starts in earnest as to how this wishy washy attitude will hold up under further scrutiny.

Many will be watching and taking note, we have just had to endure a torrid time with a sub par government. Will a majority be happy with having a red version of what we have just had to endure?

Id be very surprised if any back slapping will be partaken in Labour quarters just yet.

The electorate are watching and listening, very carefully.

[albie]

Raven,

It is as clear as mud to me.
I don't know what is meant by close down the Rwanda Scheme...Cooper said "replaced" in the interview I saw.
To be replaced by a tweaked version, or something completely different?

Pat McFadden was on the LK show saying Labour would not bring back those sent to Rwanda;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1787041247732834304/pu/vid/avc1/1280x714/Xg8nILNb6iRoWOXA.mp4?tag=12

Granted McFadden is not someone you would send to the shops with a note, but the messaging is confused and unreliable.

I really don't know!

[Branton Red]

The Tees Valley and West Mids Mayoral election results are interesting.

The Tory candidate in each case is widely viewed as having done a good job and they have defied national poll expectations in their results.

It strongly suggests that the Tories nationally aren't massively more unpopular recently due to politics and left/right sentiments. And that it's all about competence.

Those 2 results show that many people would still vote Conservative if they feel the Tories in question would do a decent job.

Anyone advocating the Tories would electorally benefit from a move to the Right is therefore simply incorrect.

[drfchound]

What the f**k are you rambling on about?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/

You've just won the "Say you know f**k all about politics without saying 'I know f**k all about politics'" challenge.

Seriously? You read something by a Culture War gobshite like Cates and you think it accurately describes Labour policy?

God f**king hell us if people like you have a vote.

That’s the thing though bst.
There will be plenty of people with no understanding of politics who have a vote, whether you like it or not!

[IDM]

Precisely abound, that’s why that airhead Boris was elected.  If only the Tories had had a decent statesman/woman in charge at the time.  Same argument for Labour - the last election was really a no-win scenario based on the two main leaders..

[Iberian Red]

This thread is evidence that the Tories could put up a rotting corpse as a candidate or even elect one as PM and folk would still be dumb enough to vote for it.

[drfchound]

And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour,  come what may?

[Iberian Red]

And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour,  come what may?

What makes you think I vote Labour?
I could never bring myself to vote for those horrible individuals in the tory party.

Kitsons the lot of them.

[Donnywolf]

This thread is evidence that the Tories could put up a rotting corpse as a candidate or even elect one as PM and folk would still be dumb enough to vote for it.

Especially if it was a serial liar saying "I'm not dead"

[Donnywolf]

Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo

Sporty, you do know that they are going to blame the current government for that though.
Ready made excuses for any failings they may make in the next few years.

Let’s be honest here, any government of any colour blames its predecessor.

True , this lot are blaming the last Govt even though they lat governed the UK  14 plus years ago

[Iberian Red]

This thread is evidence that the Tories could put up a rotting corpse as a candidate or even elect one as PM and folk would still be dumb enough to vote for it.

Especially if it was a serial liar saying "I'm not dead"

Incredible isn't it. Yet some still think an ex PM that introduced laws that he went on to break,and a current PM that also broke the law are fit to run the country.
It reflects on how stupid a certain section of society are.