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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Norfolk N Chance on March 04, 2012, 10:55:44 am
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Wonderful moment when he shouted to the rest of the players to get into a huddle!
He without a doubt is the one that should be captain and Stock is not animated enough!
Wish all the players could play with his passion and talent!
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Thought he was rubbish yesterday and his diving irritated me and those around me.
Need more goals from a player of his quality.
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Wonderful moment when he shouted to the rest of the players to get into a huddle!
He without a doubt is the one that should be captain and Stock is not animated enough!
Wish all the players could play with his passion and talent!
:saywhat: he really plays with passion and tallent when he is moaning at people, diving, complaining to the ref every 20 seconds and being to lazy to go in for headers. Yeah exactly how you want your captain to be :headbang: :headbang:
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He was the MOTM for me!
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Really?
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Everything about his game is great....sorry talking diving ??? Brighton have a 11 men that were much better!
Even when he took the Pen his attitude was first class going straight to get the ball out to try and win the game!
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His diving is annoying granted. But compared to Brighton it was nothing.
He definately has the right mindset and passion to get the rest of the players going. And all those people who said he shouldn't of come to Rovers initially, couldn't be more wrong and proof of judging a book by it's cover
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
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Your are entitled to your opinion Norfolk but I disagree entirely. That man will never be captain material. He swaggers about the pitch, gets on at team mates if they don't pass to him, runs after the ref as the opposition have dared to enter his personal space and tackle him and propels himself through the air like Tom Daly when he really doesn't need to. All that said, I like the actual football side of his game, he is a very gifted player.
As for Stock not being Captain material....well you must be having a laugh. He is Rovers own Captain Marvel.
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
Perhaps the most unfair comment in the history of the forum!
If we had 11 players that showed the fight he does we would not be in this mess....compared to someone like Hayter who was a disgrace yesterday!
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Your are entitled to your opinion Norfolk but I disagree entirely. That man will never be captain material. He swaggers about the pitch, gets on at team mates if they don't pass to him, runs after the ref as the opposition have dared to enter his personal space and tackle him and propels himself through the air like Tom Daly when he really doesn't need to. All that said, I like the actual football side of his game, he is a very gifted player.
As for Stock not being Captain material....well you must be having a laugh. He is Rovers own Captain Marvel.
Stock is a great player but far too quiet .....
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
Perhaps the most unfair comment in the history of the forum!
If we had 11 players that showed the fight he does we would not be in this mess....compared to someone like Hayter who was a disgrace yesterday!
the disgrace was Doiuf, he was a disgrace to football with the ammount of diving he was doing
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I've had a long standing problem with exactly what you're saying Norfolk, and that's the huddle.
Stocky is the captain. He's always done the talk. EHD has done this a few times now and initially I noted Stocky looking at him gone out. What the hell kind of message is this sending out to the team.
Forget running to retrieve the ball from the pen. Standard practice when you're chasing points. Focus on these things too:
Keeping the ball to himself to much and slowing play down
Running round the pitch to take every dead ball (surprised Barnes got a go)
Falling down too easily instead of concentrating on using the ball positively
Giving up when losing the ball
Gesturing to ref all the time that it's their fault
Gesturing to his own team-mates that it's their fault
Now don't get me wrong he has talent in this league and he's done some magic for us, but it seems to be at a price too. In fairness I can reluctantly take these antics if he's just another player in the team. What I'm frustrated at is him touting himself to be the leader of men and of his team in a battle situation. That behaviour is not becoming of a leader, infact I would suggest it's more harmful than good.
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I've had a long standing problem with exactly what you're saying Norfolk, and that's the huddle.
Stocky is the captain. He's always done the talk. EHD has done this a few times now and initially I noted Stocky looking at him gone out. What the hell kind of message is this sending out to the team.
Forget running to retrieve the ball from the pen. Standard practice when you're chasing points. Focus on these things too:
Keeping the ball to himself to much and slowing play down
Running round the pitch to take every dead ball (surprised Barnes got a go)
Falling down too easily instead of concentrating on using the ball positively
Giving up when losing the ball
Gesturing to ref all the time that it's their fault
Gesturing to his own team-mates that it's their fault
Now don't get me wrong he has talent in this league and he's done some magic for us, but it seems to be at a price too. In fairness I can reluctantly take these antics if he's just another player in the team. What I'm frustrated at is him touting himself to be the leader of men and of his team in a battle situation. That behaviour is not becoming of a leader, infact I would suggest it's more harmful than good.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Agree with every word of this
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I've had a long standing problem with exactly what you're saying Norfolk, and that's the huddle.
Stocky is the captain. He's always done the talk. EHD has done this a few times now and initially I noted Stocky looking at him gone out. What the hell kind of message is this sending out to the team.
Forget running to retrieve the ball from the pen. Standard practice when you're chasing points. Focus on these things too:
Keeping the ball to himself to much and slowing play down
Running round the pitch to take every dead ball (surprised Barnes got a go)
Falling down too easily instead of concentrating on using the ball positively
Giving up when losing the ball
Gesturing to ref all the time that it's their fault
Gesturing to his own team-mates that it's their fault
Now don't get me wrong he has talent in this league and he's done some magic for us, but it seems to be at a price too. In fairness I can reluctantly take these antics if he's just another player in the team. What I'm frustrated at is him touting himself to be the leader of men and of his team in a battle situation. That behaviour is not becoming of a leader, infact I would suggest it's more harmful than good.
Amen to that! He had a proper spat with Bagayoko halfway through the second half... that's not Captain material by any stretch!
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Diouf was shit yesterday and shouldn't captain any team let alone my team with this attitude. Stock plays with great passion for us and does the talking ect. Yesterday diouf was everything i hate in a player. Greedy, diving, arguing with the ref every 12 seconds. With him playing for rovers it's barely a team he has to take every set piece and will always look for an opportunity to shoot before doing anything else.
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why is everyone moaning that diouf is taking set pieces? his delivery is excellent, better than anyone else in the team, he made barnes goal last week. dont think he sould be the captain as he doesnt set an example of work ethic and he doesnt pick the players if you look at stock during the game he is always trying to motivate the team
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Not really buying the 'having a go at teammates' one.
Billy used to do that regular and if people mentioned it on here were swiftly told its because he is a winner.
The diving and ref moaning is not on though.
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5 goals in 13 league games with quite a few assists too, I'm not moaning! He wants to win and has the passion. Okay he's no saint and some of his moaning we could do without, but I'd rather have a good player than a nice player.
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
Agree totally. Every missed place pass he made, or cross he over hit, was followed by an arms aloft signal as if to say, \"Where were you, all your fault for not getting on the end of that\".
To far up his own arse at times, in fact most of the time yesterday. And as for taking the penalty, I suspect it's more to do with adding another goal to his stats rather than stepping up 'to the plate' on behalf of his team mates.
Having said all that, when he has his 'right head' on, he's quality.
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This is before the FA deliver their verdict on Diouf vs Bruce in the Elland Road tunnel.
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Not really buying the 'having a go at teammates' one.
Billy used to do that regular and if people mentioned it on here were swiftly told its because he is a winner.
The diving and ref moaning is not on though.
Ah but billy wasn't a Saunders signing. we need eleven leaders on that pitch. At the end of the game bagayoko and Martis had a big discussion quite fiery but it was about where the ball was played. Good to see as it's something that might lead to an improvement. Diouf wasn't at his best yesterday but put some great crosses in. More critical of others not getting on the end of them.
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I've had a long standing problem with exactly what you're saying Norfolk, and that's the huddle.
Stocky is the captain. He's always done the talk. EHD has done this a few times now and initially I noted Stocky looking at him gone out. What the hell kind of message is this sending out to the team.
We need as many people as possible that act like this. Especially in the League position we are in. We cant just rely on one man to get the players motivated. Im sure Dean Saunders loves seeing any player give the rest of the team a boost. Its great to see.
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Thought he was rubbish yesterday and his diving irritated me and those around me.
Need more goals from a player of his quality.
Minutes on pitch to goals scored his record beats sharp, and the number of assists he has is the best in the league percentage wise.
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If we are talking home truths lets separate the facts from the fiction.
Facts
World Class player
Decent / nice fella (several insiders say the same)
Winning attitude
Great set piece taker
Lucky to have him
The negatives are all media perception and interpretation of body language and too be honest indicative of exactly the type of fans that JR is talking about, negative moaning whinging ungrateful individuals that see the negatives of every situation!
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
Perhaps the most unfair comment in the history of the forum!
If we had 11 players that showed the fight he does we would not be in this mess....compared to someone like Hayter who was a disgrace yesterday!
the disgrace was Doiuf, he was a disgrace to football with the ammount of diving he was doing
Are you for real, surely a Rovers fan should be moaning about the disgraceful diving kicking synical play that Brighten displayed all game not winge about the Rovers!
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
Perhaps the most unfair comment in the history of the forum!
If we had 11 players that showed the fight he does we would not be in this mess....compared to someone like Hayter who was a disgrace yesterday!
the disgrace was Doiuf, he was a disgrace to football with the ammount of diving he was doing
Are you for real, surely a Rovers fan should be moaning about the disgraceful diving kicking synical play that Brighten displayed all game not winge about the Rovers!
As JR says stand up for the club !! Agreed this fan is clearly the type of \"fan\" that we dont want!
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The only posotive of being relegated is that Diouf will leave :)
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
Perhaps the most unfair comment in the history of the forum!
If we had 11 players that showed the fight he does we would not be in this mess....compared to someone like Hayter who was a disgrace yesterday!
the disgrace was Doiuf, he was a disgrace to football with the ammount of diving he was doing
Are you for real, surely a Rovers fan should be moaning about the disgraceful diving kicking synical play that Brighten displayed all game not winge about the Rovers!
As JR says stand up for the club !! Agreed this fan is clearly the type of \"fan\" that we dont want!
Norfolk, you called Hayter a disgrace :huh: Where is your logic to assume timdrfc was talking solely about redrover19 and not the pair of you?
As for what fans we want? Are you saying that your view of Diouf being excellent and Hayter a disgrace is superior over what redrover19 says?
The fact is DRFC need as many as possible coming through the gates to help cheer the team home, you are in no position to say who can or can't be a fan, or do you fancy yourself as the next Ken Bates?
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mr1croft.... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
Perhaps the most unfair comment in the history of the forum!
If we had 11 players that showed the fight he does we would not be in this mess....compared to someone like Hayter who was a disgrace yesterday!
the disgrace was Doiuf, he was a disgrace to football with the ammount of diving he was doing
Are you for real, surely a Rovers fan should be moaning about the disgraceful diving kicking synical play that Brighten displayed all game not winge about the Rovers!
As JR says stand up for the club !! Agreed this fan is clearly the type of \"fan\" that we dont want!
Norfolk, you called Hayter a disgrace :huh: Where is your logic to assume timdrfc was talking solely about redrover19 and not the pair of you?
As for what fans we want? Are you saying that your view of Diouf being excellent and Hayter a disgrace is superior over what redrover19 says?
The fact is DRFC need as many as possible coming through the gates to help cheer the team home, you are in no position to say who can or can't be a fan, or do you fancy yourself as the next Ken Bates?
Hayter performance deeply upset me ......I stand by my comment ......SO you should be too he was not interested full stop! He hides does not take responsibility.....
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So Norfolk it's ok for you to slag off our players but nobody else. Right lads and lasses we know where we stand now
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So Norfolk it's ok for you to slag off our players but nobody else. Right lads and lasses we know where we stand now
Round and round on this subject and as I say I am always positive but I have to be honest sometimes .....
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Sorry Norfolk but you have contradicted yourself here and discredited yourself. You cannot argue against that, not successfully anyway.
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How anyone can proclaim Hayter as looking 'not looking interested' is beyond me. Nobody puts a shift in like Hayter and does more for the team like Hayter; but all that goes unnoticed because he isn't scoring goals like Diouf is. Ok CM-S was hitting the ground a lot yesterday but EHD was giving him a good run for his money. In the first half he was through in the area and rather than shooting he went down. He is a class player but the other side to his game really doesn't help him. And Norfolk it isn't 'media perception' it is as you say, fact.
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If Diouf, Chimbonda, Beye are that good then why have we only won once in the last eleven games. Unlike this time last year we have had an excellent keeper, a regular back four and midfield and strike force. Yet the only game we have won is when Billy played. So let's hope these players can win games. But are they better than other players in their positions some are overrated. Yesterday James Hayter did not have his best game. Yet Robert and Bennett were very poor substitutes abpnd if that's all we have then Dean leave them on the Bench their contribution is, was negligible.
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We haven't had a regular back 4 have we.
We have lost one home game in about 5 months, the midfield is identical to last years and we had sharp so it swings and roundabouts. We were poor last year and were only a little better now.
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We haven't had a regular back 4 have we.
We have lost one home game in about 5 months, the midfield is identical to last years and we had sharp so it swings and roundabouts. We were poor last year and were only a little better now.
In the last eleven games the back four we have had a choice of two right backs and four centre halves plus a left back. All better than we had in the equivalent eleven games last year. JOC was in and out, Mills was injured and we were left with players a part from George Friend were not in the same league as now. The Midfield had no Stock, no Gillett, at this time. We had Wilson, Keegan, a tiring Oster so it was different. Billy was injured and playing through the pain until he finally gave up the ghost. So we now have world class players the likes of Diouf, Chimbonda and Beye added to the squad yet we are not winning games. The only game we have won is when Billy played. So this squad with Diouf, this manager must start winning before one in eleven turns in to one in twenty then important decisions have to be made.
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If we are talking home truths lets separate the facts from the fiction.
Facts
World Class player
Decent / nice fella (several insiders say the same)
Winning attitude
Great set piece taker
Lucky to have him
The negatives are all media perception and interpretation of body language and too be honest indicative of exactly the type of fans that JR is talking about, negative moaning whinging ungrateful individuals that see the negatives of every situation!
100% agree Norfolk anad BMRC, the time for pretty boys playing tippy tappy football is over........we need blood , guts and gore. EHD is a class player and I don't give a flying fook about previous reputation, I want someone who wants to fight for our survival, yes he moans , yes he doesn't always make that telling pass and hey sometimes the pass that is made is a waste because some of those around him don't have the footballing nounce and ability to be in the right place at the right time.
Please don't character assassinate one of the only people who can drag us out of this mess . Wehave no other chance, I want this man to believe we are ALL behind him warts and all. :ohmy:
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This is my take on the matter - rightly or wrongly, Diouf seems to be doing so much because to me it looks as though he's trying to single handedly drag us by the scruff of the neck out of this shite.
I expect to be slated for that, but that's my opinion.
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If we are talking home truths lets separate the facts from the fiction.
Facts
World Class player
Decent / nice fella (several insiders say the same)
Winning attitude
Great set piece taker
Lucky to have him
The negatives are all media perception and interpretation of body language and too be honest indicative of exactly the type of fans that JR is talking about, negative moaning whinging ungrateful individuals that see the negatives of every situation!
100% agree Norfolk anad BMRC, the time for pretty boys playing tippy tappy football is over........we need blood , guts and gore. EHD is a class player and I don't give a flying fook about previous reputation, I want someone who wants to fight for our survival, yes he moans , yes he doesn't always make that telling pass and hey sometimes the pass that is made is a waste because some of those around him don't have the footballing nounce and ability to be in the right place at the right time.
Please don't character assassinate one of the only people who can drag us out of this mess . Wehave no other chance, I want this man to believe we are ALL behind him warts and all. :ohmy:
I was one of EHD's biggest critics and hated the fact he was coming here and posted so over what I had read.
I've since retracted my thoughts on several posts here after seeing what a class act and nice bloke he is to the club and our fans... Even Ipswichs mascots?
My only grip is that Officials dont give the right decisions for him, for who it is and thats probably costing us.
Whould I change the Fact we have him?
110% NOT
Long may he be a Rover!!!!
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We haven't had a regular back 4 have we.
We have lost one home game in about 5 months, the midfield is identical to last years and we had sharp so it swings and roundabouts. We were poor last year and were only a little better now.
In the last eleven games the back four we have had a choice of two right backs and four centre halves plus a left back. All better than we had in the equivalent eleven games last year. JOC was in and out, Mills was injured and we were left with players a part from George Friend were not in the same league as now. The Midfield had no Stock, no Gillett, at this time. We had Wilson, Keegan, a tiring Oster so it was different. Billy was injured and playing through the pain until he finally gave up the ghost. So we now have world class players the likes of Diouf, Chimbonda and Beye added to the squad yet we are not winning games. The only game we have won is when Billy played. So this squad with Diouf, this manager must start winning before one in eleven turns in to one in twenty then important decisions have to be made.
Who are the 2 right backs and 4 centre backs we've had over the last 11 games??
Don't understand the relevance of constantly bringing up last year.
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I honestly dont think we were watching the same player, his attitude is awful unless there is something in it for him. In my opinion he thinks he is above the club and if this is the case then I dont want him. End of
Perhaps the most unfair comment in the history of the forum!
If we had 11 players that showed the fight he does we would not be in this mess....compared to someone like Hayter who was a disgrace yesterday!
the disgrace was Doiuf, he was a disgrace to football with the ammount of diving he was doing
Are you for real, surely a Rovers fan should be moaning about the disgraceful diving kicking synical play that Brighten displayed all game not winge about the Rovers!
As JR says stand up for the club !! Agreed this fan is clearly the type of \"fan\" that we dont want!
if you look at the posts on this forum on a Saturday every single one of us slags off at least one player, so according to your theory the club should have no fans because when we moan we should stop being a fan. So seen as you have slagged off hayter your clearly not the type of \"fan\" the club needs or that JR wants
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How anyone can proclaim Hayter as looking 'not looking interested' is beyond me. Nobody puts a shift in like Hayter and does more for the team like Hayter; but all that goes unnoticed because he isn't scoring goals like Diouf is. Ok CM-S was hitting the ground a lot yesterday but EHD was giving him a good run for his money. In the first half he was through in the area and rather than shooting he went down. He is a class player but the other side to his game really doesn't help him. And Norfolk it isn't 'media perception' it is as you say, fact.
Agreed, Hayter was poor by his standards, but one thing he won't do & that is hide, he still gives it his all. As for Diouf, I thought he was our worst player yesterday.
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Diouf was poor in the first half, but good in the second. Put some great balls in the box and generally dictated the game. I like hayter but that's probably his worst game in a rovers shirt. If u swapped shirt numbers over for those 2 yesterday, people would be raving about hayter and I dread to think what they'd say about diouf.
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Diouf was poor in the first half, but good in the second. Put some great balls in the box and generally dictated the game. I like hayter but that's probably his worst game in a rovers shirt. If u swapped shirt numbers over for those 2 yesterday, people would be raving about hayter and I dread to think what they'd say about diouf.
Totally agreed once again, what upset me was he is better than the dire examples of his game yesterday.....
For example the golden chance in the first half and he nearly hit the roof of the stand, hardly a championship forward is it?
Compare that to Diouf and people having a go for diving but not sticking up for the club against a team that the whole 11 players were diving.....the point JR was making people keep being funny with him about team affairs and this is another example!
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If we are talking home truths lets separate the facts from the fiction.
Facts
World Class player
Decent / nice fella (several insiders say the same)
Winning attitude
Great set piece taker
Lucky to have him
Long may he be a Rover!!!!
It could happen. :)
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/238895/Doncaster-1-Brighton-1-El-Hadji-Diouf-is-tempted-to-stay/?
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Without Djiouf we'd be a worse team, and I mean team. Against Brighton he wasn't quite in the groove especially to start with, but that penalty was class. So pleased to have seen him play in a Rovers shirt and hope he stays for as long as he's putting in a decent shift as he undoubtedly is right now.
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I'm sorry but Diouf is not doing enough to warrant his previous history in the game, to me he looks like a very average Championship standard player.
And that is not very surprising, considering no one else wanted him. Forget all the hype, he left signing his DRFC contract extension to the end of the transfer window because no better offers came in.
I don't mind all of this, however it looks and sounds like he's doing DRFC a big favour when really we're doing him one by taking on an unfit player and paying him when everyone else doubted him.
In terms of the 5 games i've seen him play, he's been pretty average to awful in all of them unfortunately. And i'm guttered to be saying that as I was really hopeful he'd be amazing, especially when I'd been told he was amazing at the Hull away game and another one I missed.
I now fear his name is in the teamsheet regardless of how he plays which worries me. What worries me more is the detrimental effect he is having on our style of play.
- he is constantly stopping the ball dead on the byline instead of taking the ball forward and trying to beat his man.
- he spends 10 seconds a go with the ball static trying to out do his opponent and the best he gets is a throw in, corner or a pass back to another player
- he is so slow to get to corners, now if we're behind and you insist on taking them all please at least run to show some urgency
- he seems to go backwards and sidewards, and rarely forwards with his passing
- a decent chunk of his crossing is poor, several corners fail to clear the near post and now he seems to insist on taking short ones
- he's always moaning and stays down when he looses the ball to protest for some foul instead of playing to the whistle
- he doesn't cover any ground, he's just static (yes Hayter was pants but at least he covered a load of ground trying)
- he doesn't have any chances on goal considering he's playing so far forward
- he stops our attacks when in critical moments by taking all of the pace out of the game
- no magic
Compare this man to Copps and you get the point. He hasn't got a patch on Copps in terms of ability, skill and an attacking threat.
For me I'd drop him and take a gamble with Bennett on the wing, see if that puts some fire in Diouf's belly and he gets on it with it as opposed to any dummy spitting out antics.
Don't get me started on giving him the captains armband. He's simply not been here long enough and has no captaining pedigree to be given the band. I would of much preferred it to go to Gilly or Copps.
I am happy to be corrected by Diouf, i'm open to that but from what i have seen i'm disappointed and hoping he gets a spell on the bench.
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I'm sorry but Diouf is not doing enough to warrant his previous history in the game, to me he looks like a very average Championship standard player.
And that is not very surprising, considering no one else wanted him. Forget all the hype, he left signing his DRFC contract extension to the end of the transfer window because no better offers came in.
I don't mind all of this, however it looks and sounds like he's doing DRFC a big favour when really we're doing him one by taking on an unfit player and paying him when everyone else doubted him.
In terms of the 5 games i've seen him play, he's been pretty average to awful in all of them unfortunately. And i'm guttered to be saying that as I was really hopeful he'd be amazing, especially when I'd been told he was amazing at the Hull away game and another one I missed.
I now fear his name is in the teamsheet regardless of how he plays which worries me. What worries me more is the detrimental effect he is having on our style of play.
- he is constantly stopping the ball dead on the byline instead of taking the ball forward and trying to beat his man.
- he spends 10 seconds a go with the ball static trying to out do his opponent and the best he gets is a throw in, corner or a pass back to another player
- he is so slow to get to corners, now if we're behind and you insist on taking them all please at least run to show some urgency
- he seems to go backwards and sidewards, and rarely forwards with his passing
- a decent chunk of his crossing is poor, several corners fail to clear the near post and now he seems to insist on taking short ones
- he's always moaning and stays down when he looses the ball to protest for some foul instead of playing to the whistle
- he doesn't cover any ground, he's just static (yes Hayter was pants but at least he covered a load of ground trying)
- he doesn't have any chances on goal considering he's playing so far forward
- he stops our attacks when in critical moments by taking all of the pace out of the game
- no magic
Compare this man to Copps and you get the point. He hasn't got a patch on Copps in terms of ability, skill and an attacking threat.
For me I'd drop him and take a gamble with Bennett on the wing, see if that puts some fire in Diouf's belly and he gets on it with it as opposed to any dummy spitting out antics.
Don't get me started on giving him the captains armband. He's simply not been here long enough and has no captaining pedigree to be given the band. I would of much preferred it to go to Gilly or Copps.
I am happy to be corrected by Diouf, i'm open to that but from what i have seen i'm disappointed and hoping he gets a spell on the bench.
Never read so much crap......
Right I re-posted the unbelievable stat comments (pointless wasting my energy)
In the games diouf has been involved in we have scored 11 goals, diouf has either scored or made the assist on everyone of those goals bar one.
Yet people come on here and moan about the guy, there is no player in our history that has been as important as he is to us at the minute, players dive and fall out with each other, so what? It happened before he arrived and it'll happen when he's gone.
Just get behind him and acknowledge how good he is
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
Diouf is not out and out goal scorer but trying his best ...
How many games have we won in 14 months?
Suggest you play Hayter shot back in first half V Brighton ......COS WE NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
There`s no doubt Billy was an important player to us, but we`ve been in freefall for over a year, a big chunk of those games Billy played in them, it did n`t halt our plummet down the league table did it? Billy was important, but in the grand scale of things hardly the messiah you`re making him out to be
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
Cause 10 other players need to pull socks up too.
Enough Said!
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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Right I re-posted the unbelievable stat comments (pointless wasting my energy)
In the games diouf has been involved in we have scored 11 goals, diouf has either scored or made the assist on everyone of those goals bar one.
Yet people come on here and moan about the guy, there is no player in our history that has been as important as he is to us at the minute, players dive and fall out with each other, so what? It happened before he arrived and it'll happen when he's gone.
Just get behind him and acknowledge how good he is
I beg to differ with that stat.
Ipswich: Coppinger whipped the ball in and Sharp headed home (No Diouf assist)
Leeds: Hayter hit it against the keeper and Bagayoko scored the rebound (No Diouf assist).
So I would say he has scored or got the assist on all but TWO.
However, still a decent statistic and a good record!
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I beg to differ with that stat.
Ipswich: Coppinger whipped the ball in and Sharp headed home (No Diouf assist)
Leeds: Hayter hit it against the keeper and Bagayoko scored the rebound (No Diouf assist).
So I would say he has scored or got the assist on all but TWO.
However, still a decent statistic and a good record![/quote]
think that is the last time a copps cross beat the first man or any of our players at that
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I beg to differ with that stat.
Ipswich: Coppinger whipped the ball in and Sharp headed home (No Diouf assist)
Leeds: Hayter hit it against the keeper and Bagayoko scored the rebound (No Diouf assist).
So I would say he has scored or got the assist on all but TWO.
However, still a decent statistic and a good record!
think that is the last time a copps cross beat the first man or any of our players at that[/quote]
He created the goal at Leeds with the ball over the top hayter just managed to cock it up.
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
Who did we beat on new years day? I missed that game.
How on earth billy is our key man I'll never know
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
Who did we beat on new years day? I missed that game.
How on earth billy is our key man I'll never know
we havent won a game without this season! That's why!
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But he's gone, so is no longer key.
We've also lost many games with him in the side, it means nowt
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
What's the point in your arguement?? Sharp has gone. Move on
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
What's the point in your arguement?? Sharp has gone. Move on
Clue in his name mate.... he cant move on....he will be in his rocking charge ......w**king over the 50 odd passes v QPR.......
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
What's the point in your arguement?? Sharp has gone. Move on
Clue in his name mate.... he cant move on....he will be in his rocking charge ......w**king over the 50 odd passes v QPR.......
You mean like King John did at an attempt to sell season tickets the folowing season!?
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
What's the point in your arguement?? Sharp has gone. Move on
Clue in his name mate.... he cant move on....he will be in his rocking charge ......w**king over the 50 odd passes v QPR.......
You mean like King John did at an attempt to sell season tickets the folowing season!?
Problem with him now have we?
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
Yes, but your argument was that Diouf can't be that good because we're bottom of the league. But we were bottom of the league when Sharp was here - does that mean he's not very good as well?
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Wonderful moment when he shouted to the rest of the players to get into a huddle!
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Sorry but we got into a huddle for most of O'Driscoll's games and look where that got us? I was glad to see the back of the huddle personally
Still maybe a Diouf huddle is better than an O'Driscoll huddle :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
Yes, but your argument was that Diouf can't be that good because we're bottom of the league. But we were bottom of the league when Sharp was here - does that mean he's not very good as well?
I've actually posted this on the wrong thread! This was intended for the 'unbelievable stat' thread what DICKos1 started!
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
Yes, but your argument was that Diouf can't be that good because we're bottom of the league. But we were bottom of the league when Sharp was here - does that mean he's not very good as well?
I've actually posted this on the wrong thread! This was intended for the 'unbelievable stat' thread what DICKos1 started!
Is there any need for this shit?
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
Yes, but your argument was that Diouf can't be that good because we're bottom of the league. But we were bottom of the league when Sharp was here - does that mean he's not very good as well?
I've actually posted this on the wrong thread! This was intended for the 'unbelievable stat' thread what DICKos1 started!
Oh how very witty of you!!! No need for that at all.
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Would we have this thread if he had been a Sod signing,idoubt it very much.
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
Yes, but your argument was that Diouf can't be that good because we're bottom of the league. But we were bottom of the league when Sharp was here - does that mean he's not very good as well?
I've actually posted this on the wrong thread! This was intended for the 'unbelievable stat' thread what DICKos1 started!
being called a dick by the biggest clown on here. I must be doing something right
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I'm sorry but Diouf is not doing enough to warrant his previous history in the game, to me he looks like a very average Championship standard player.
And that is not very surprising, considering no one else wanted him. Forget all the hype, he left signing his DRFC contract extension to the end of the transfer window because no better offers came in.
I don't mind all of this, however it looks and sounds like he's doing DRFC a big favour when really we're doing him one by taking on an unfit player and paying him when everyone else doubted him.
Sorry but your talking absolute bollox. Thats like saying the same statement Re: Billy Sharp. He always said he wanted to play in the Premier League. He knows with a few extra goals from him adding to Rickie Lambert's, he will be playing top flight with Soton next season. Any player worth their keep is one that is looking to better himself. Did we do Billy a favour? Equal balance I say, and we all loved him and still do despite his move. I dont hold anything against EHD for listening to/waiting for offers. Quite the opposite. If someone stated they are happy enough playing in the Championship when they have real pedigree, wouldnt you question their desire to do the best he could for a team and help them progress?
And he's looked far from average. Anyone who knows football will tell you he has several tools in his box that make him a class player. Movement, ability to pick a pass, final ball, first touch, finishing and determination. And why the chuff would he want to prove anything to a bunch like you that dont give him any credit? Tell me one thing, who would you 'get in' or replace him with now who would better place us to get out the bottom three?
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Diouf is a very good player (NOT world class like some say though). Just needs a goalscorer in the team so he can feed them the balls! His penalties are class too.
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Don't think anyone can argue he is world class now, but in his day he was. All that is irrelevant, he's our best player so we should all be behind him shouldn't we??
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Dont think he's ever been world class tbh, a VERY good player yes but World class is what i'd describe the likes of Messi, Ronaldo etc. World class gets used to often when describing players.
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Discussions been done to death, I'd say during the world cup 2002 he was world class, as he was one of the players of the tournament.
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Discussions been done to death, I'd say during the world cup 2002 he was world class, as he was one of the players of the tournament.
I was about to say the same thing. He's one of the classiest acts in this leage right now though. Iv spoken with several sets of fans of our league opposition and they would love to have him at their club. They ask the question 'How have we got him with a real sense of disbelief'. This of course is masked when we hear the masses giving him stick. What does that tell you though? We have to get behind him.
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He is a really good player, yesterday I felt he was off his game slightly but that was just my view.
I personally think he plays well when up against a defense who play quite deep, allowing him a little more space to run, that has seen much more effective (Leeds, Boro, Ipwsich). When they close him down quicker than anticipated he slows the tempo down and dribbles side to side is what irritates me because I'm expecting him to do something amazing and it usually isn't the case.
I don't like him being played up front either, from what I have seen he plays best out on the left giving him the option of cutting inside, but so far in a central role either up front or in the hole he either doesn't see much of the ball, or doesn't get enough space to work his magic. I don't think you can compare him with Sharp. Sharp is a poacher who relies on others to make the goals; Diouf is a advanced midfielder who makes the goals, and scores a few, it would be like comparing McIndoe to Leo Fortune-West...
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
Yes, but your argument was that Diouf can't be that good because we're bottom of the league. But we were bottom of the league when Sharp was here - does that mean he's not very good as well?
I've actually posted this on the wrong thread! This was intended for the 'unbelievable stat' thread what DICKos1 started!
being called a dick by the biggest clown on here. I must be doing something right
Being called a clown by Dean Saunders, I dont know what to say!
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If Diouf is so good, then why are we bottom of the league, with no win since 1/1/2012, with no improvement in performances?
Billy Sharp is/was the key man!
We were bottom of the league when Billy was here too! :dry:
We beat teams such as Southampton and Leicester with Billy being the only scorer! Oh, and, Diouf wasn't in the team.
Yes, but your argument was that Diouf can't be that good because we're bottom of the league. But we were bottom of the league when Sharp was here - does that mean he's not very good as well?
I've actually posted this on the wrong thread! This was intended for the 'unbelievable stat' thread what DICKos1 started!
being called a dick by the biggest clown on here. I must be doing something right
Being called a clown by Dean Saunders, I dont know what to say!
You should be on the telly with comedy like that? Bet your a right laugh
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I've had you down as Deano, part of the Mckay family or more than likely a Mod posting under this name (to save forum uproar) to sell the corporate message and beat down any non believers.
You've certainly amassed a fortune in posts since the new structure was put in place. Funny that as I'm not sure I'd heard of you before.
Then again I think Madmick is Benaldo is anybody else who is clearly trying to smash this forum.
Happy days
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Whats happened to Benaldo anyway?
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you lot should try pantomime this next winter ... hopefully you would at least make us smile!
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I'm sorry but Diouf is not doing enough to warrant his previous history in the game, to me he looks like a very average Championship standard player.
And that is not very surprising, considering no one else wanted him. Forget all the hype, he left signing his DRFC contract extension to the end of the transfer window because no better offers came in.
I don't mind all of this, however it looks and sounds like he's doing DRFC a big favour when really we're doing him one by taking on an unfit player and paying him when everyone else doubted him.
And he's looked far from average. Anyone who knows football will tell you he has several tools in his box that make him a class player. Movement, ability to pick a pass, final ball, first touch, finishing and determination. And why the chuff would he want to prove anything to a bunch like you that dont give him any credit? Tell me one thing, who would you 'get in' or replace him with now who would better place us to get out the bottom three?
Look football is all about opinions. I used to think Gilly was poor but he has vastly improved since Saunders came in, brilliant. I'm there for any player who puts a shift in and those who change my opinions of them.
And i keep these opinions to myself during the game, i don't shout any crap out about any rovers player, so don't think for one minute i get on any players backs.
This is a football forum, and I'm expressing my opinion on a topic.
So my opinion of Diouf will change when i see him add value to a game, like i say in 5 games so far I have not seen it.
I still hope to see it but so far I am thinking he doesn't play to our strengths and its bugging me as I see him break up more moves then he creates.
Above all else, if Diouf tried a bit more...ran for a few more balls and played to the whistle I'd say no more.
Like I said, I'd prefer to get Bennett in on the wing. I agree Diouf if useless up front, we do need a new striker as Hayter is clearly struggling.
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Above all else, if Diouf tried a bit more...ran for a few more balls and played to the whistle I'd say no more.
Like I said, I'd prefer to get Bennett in on the wing. I agree Diouf if useless up front, we do need a new striker as Hayter is clearly struggling.
You got exactly what you wished for tonight! Has your opinion changed? You must see now he is such a valuable player for us.
And Robert Gill? I havent seen him play for ages, but il take your word for it that he's come on. ;)
Im chuffed to bits anyway. Our front three that started tonight has put a great dose of optimism in my pipe. Hope were all having a puff of the same thing.
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all good player believe they can play up front but I believe Diouf should play just behind the front two.
whats your thoughts
tiddysdad
rtid
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I've had you down as Deano, part of the Mckay family or more than likely a Mod posting under this name (to save forum uproar) to sell the corporate message and beat down any non believers.
You've certainly amassed a fortune in posts since the new structure was put in place. Funny that as I'm not sure I'd heard of you before.
Then again I think Madmick is Benaldo is anybody else who is clearly trying to smash this forum.
Happy days
You have a short memory cussy, this is what you posted to me back in August.
Yes when he's trying to strengthen the squad, that's correct but at the minute he's trying to just get bodies in and plug gaps. If we hadn't of got these youngsters on loan we wouldn't even of had enough subs. Every player he signed in the summer improved our squad.
Keep it up fella. Everything you have written on all 9 pages and on all the various issues is bang on right.
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It is good to have a real character around in these times ... and we have a growing contingency of imports who will benefit from Diouf's presence on the field and around the club in general.
Pity we can't field Willy as well really!.
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We've had more than enough knobs playing for us over the last few years Bri, do we really need another willy ? ;)