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BBDiscussions like this which are going on all over the country are part of the process of "getting on with it".That was the point of my post half an hour ago. Democracies don't stop at the ballot box. We ALL have to understand and learn from the consequences of decisions. Go back to the aircraft analogy. Assume there was a vote of the passengers. They vote to fly through the storm. The plane crashes and a handful of people survive. It would be perverse if they didn't learn from that experience if they were ever in the same situation again. It's like that with democracy. If you don't follow the consequences of your decisions, how are you going to make rational decisions in future? In a really vibrant democracy, these discussions never end. Much as Wesley and Rigo think they should.
Quote from: MachoMadness on July 09, 2016, 01:49:49 pmQuote from: Rigoglioso on July 09, 2016, 10:59:45 amThe fact is that you, and other Norris Cole-type busy bas**rds with too much time on their hands who go out door-knocking, inadvertently have the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve.This isn't relevant to the discussion, but since you're determined to avoid that altogether anyway, that's not at all what canvassing is. It's about meeting supporters, putting your case across to the undecided and identifying voters. It's not about picking on people who don't agree and chiding them for hours until you wear them down.I suspect you know this, but I suspect you know a lot of the things you've been told in this thread which is why you only ever respond with vacuous, empty fortune-cookie phrases about air. You have nothing to say but you say it loudly and often.You've been presented with FACTS - with things that ARE happening now. Your non-argument that no one knows what will happen doesn't fly.It's just over two weeks after the vote took place. I'll wait for a few years to elapse from the day we actually leave the European Union before deciding whether the negatives outweigh the positives or vice-versa.
Quote from: Rigoglioso on July 09, 2016, 10:59:45 amThe fact is that you, and other Norris Cole-type busy bas**rds with too much time on their hands who go out door-knocking, inadvertently have the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve.This isn't relevant to the discussion, but since you're determined to avoid that altogether anyway, that's not at all what canvassing is. It's about meeting supporters, putting your case across to the undecided and identifying voters. It's not about picking on people who don't agree and chiding them for hours until you wear them down.I suspect you know this, but I suspect you know a lot of the things you've been told in this thread which is why you only ever respond with vacuous, empty fortune-cookie phrases about air. You have nothing to say but you say it loudly and often.You've been presented with FACTS - with things that ARE happening now. Your non-argument that no one knows what will happen doesn't fly.
The fact is that you, and other Norris Cole-type busy bas**rds with too much time on their hands who go out door-knocking, inadvertently have the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve.
You've got the analogy wrong BB.What happens if they vote to fly into the storm and the plane starts creaking and groaning and bits start falling off?Do those who voted to go round the storm just sit there watching the in-flight entertainment and thinking, "Well. The vote is the vote?"Or are they justified in pointing out to their fellow passengers that the plane is groaning and creaking and bits are starting to fall off?
I won't show any empathy for folk who've got no respect for democracy and other people's views.
Feeble attempt at light-heartedness aside, just how happy are Leave voters that Theresa "Immigrants Must Go!" May or Andrea Loathsome will be the person to invoke Article 50 and, presumably, spearhead the negotiations that will ensue?
Bloody 'ell, the Guardian! Seriously though BST, that's my point. I wonder how much damage Bank of England governor Mark Carney added to the slump by talking the economy down?
Abject apology??? f**king hell, Mad Mick was BB all along.
It's only money. What price taking your country back and taking it down the shitter in the process?It's almost certainly only going to be the very poorest that get hurt the most - what's it matter, eh?At least we can all be proud of our achievement.**For the absence of any doubt, I am being mightily sarcastic.
To answer your question, yes I do believe it's possible that Carney's comments had a negative effect.
Absolutely. I'm angry about it all on many levels (including the fact that those who voted to leave have been lied to!), but - the fact is - the very poorest people across the land are going to be hurt so very, very badly. That boils my piss.