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GazLaz

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Wing Kings
« on Today at 02:02:32 pm by GazLaz »
xG and xA output from our wide men per 90min…

Molyneux 4038 minutes-

xG- 0.15
xA- 0.18

Total- 0.33

Adelakun 1829 minutes-

xG- 0.18
xA- 0.13

Total- 0.31

Hurst 707 minutes-

xG- 0.25
xA- 0.23

Total- 0.48


Interesting.



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craigdrfc

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #1 on Today at 02:10:58 pm by craigdrfc »
I fancy Hurst may be a big player for us next season. He impressed me when given cameo roles this season under McCann.

Personally I dont see both of (or either of) Moly and Haks signing back up.

DonnyOsmond

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #2 on Today at 02:14:50 pm by DonnyOsmond »
Hurst was brilliant at the end of the season, but I do wonder if those figures have a lot to with game state though, bringing him on to run at tiring defenders was a great option.

I do think we need one starter to be an Adelakun type in that they'll look to stretch the oppositions defence and get onto balls over the top.

Lifelong supporter

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #3 on Today at 02:19:20 pm by Lifelong supporter »

What does xG and xA mean please?

Northants Nomad

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #4 on Today at 02:19:47 pm by Northants Nomad »
If only football was played on Excel, eh?

philsky

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #5 on Today at 02:23:55 pm by philsky »

What does xG and xA mean please?

Same question from me please

mushRTID

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #6 on Today at 02:28:58 pm by mushRTID »
Hurst has barely started and only comes on when the game is opening up.

This cant be that surprising is it?

CJK

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #7 on Today at 02:30:20 pm by CJK »
Expected goals and expected assists.

GazLaz

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #8 on Today at 02:43:53 pm by GazLaz »
Hurst has barely started and only comes on when the game is opening up.

This cant be that surprising is it?

It is surprising. He’s got to be good to get to anything like those numbers.

Football is played on grass but everything that happens on that pitch can be quantified.

Padge_DRFC

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #9 on Today at 02:46:21 pm by Padge_DRFC »
So Adelakun has completely outperformed then. Based on XG v actual goals.

pib

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #10 on Today at 02:49:26 pm by pib »
We saw last season (in a shit side) that Hurst is a cracking player. Struggled to get going this season due to injuries, and by the time he did get fully fit, Haks came in. I think he can play a big part, especially if we don't get LM and/or HA signed up. I'd have him down as a starter for next season.

Mike_F

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #11 on Today at 02:55:29 pm by Mike_F »
Hurst has barely started and only comes on when the game is opening up.

This cant be that surprising is it?

It is surprising. He’s got to be good to get to anything like those numbers.

Football is played on grass but everything that happens on that pitch can be quantified.

He does need to be good to get those numbers but they'd be even better if they achieved over a bigger sample time, the majority of which was against players with fresh legs. When a full-back has been run ragged for 70 mins by Moly and/or Haks it'll be easier for Hurst to deliver promising attacking plays.

GazLaz

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #12 on Today at 03:01:49 pm by GazLaz »
Hurst has barely started and only comes on when the game is opening up.

This cant be that surprising is it?

It is surprising. He’s got to be good to get to anything like those numbers.

Football is played on grass but everything that happens on that pitch can be quantified.

He does need to be good to get those numbers but they'd be even better if they achieved over a bigger sample time, the majority of which was against players with fresh legs. When a full-back has been run ragged for 70 mins by Moly and/or Haks it'll be easier for Hurst to deliver promising attacking plays.

Adjust them down by 20% and they are still good. Small sample obviously, which you can adjust for again, but they would still be really good.   

ravenrover

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #13 on Today at 03:15:44 pm by ravenrover »
xG and xA output from our wide men per 90min…

Molyneux 4038 minutes-

xG- 0.15
xA- 0.18

Total- 0.33

Adelakun 1829 minutes-

xG- 0.18
xA- 0.13

Total- 0.31

Hurst 707 minutes-

xG- 0.25
xA- 0.23

Total- 0.48


Interesting.
For the older members what does this all mean?

Mike_F

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #14 on Today at 03:30:22 pm by Mike_F »
Hurst has barely started and only comes on when the game is opening up.

This cant be that surprising is it?

It is surprising. He’s got to be good to get to anything like those numbers.

Football is played on grass but everything that happens on that pitch can be quantified.

He does need to be good to get those numbers but they'd be even better if they achieved over a bigger sample time, the majority of which was against players with fresh legs. When a full-back has been run ragged for 70 mins by Moly and/or Haks it'll be easier for Hurst to deliver promising attacking plays.

Adjust them down by 20% and they are still good. Small sample obviously, which you can adjust for again, but they would still be really good.   

That's good to know. I really rate Hurst; he has bags of potential and I was a bit concerned when rumour had it that McCann wasn't a fan of his earlier in the season.

GazLaz

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #15 on Today at 03:51:06 pm by GazLaz »
Hurst has barely started and only comes on when the game is opening up.

This cant be that surprising is it?

It is surprising. He’s got to be good to get to anything like those numbers.

Football is played on grass but everything that happens on that pitch can be quantified.

He does need to be good to get those numbers but they'd be even better if they achieved over a bigger sample time, the majority of which was against players with fresh legs. When a full-back has been run ragged for 70 mins by Moly and/or Haks it'll be easier for Hurst to deliver promising attacking plays.

Adjust them down by 20% and they are still good. Small sample obviously, which you can adjust for again, but they would still be really good.   

That's good to know. I really rate Hurst; he has bags of potential and I was a bit concerned when rumour had it that McCann wasn't a fan of his earlier in the season.


These positive attacking outputs don’t take into account his off the ball stuff do they. Thats what he needs to work on.

Not impossible he could play the Haks, void of any real defensive responsibility role, if we get a good grafting winger on the other side.

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #16 on Today at 04:13:01 pm by IDM »
Expected goals and expected assists.

Calculated how.??

KingKendrick

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #17 on Today at 04:19:13 pm by KingKendrick »
xG and xA output from our wide men per 90min…

Molyneux 4038 minutes-

xG- 0.15
xA- 0.18

Total- 0.33

Adelakun 1829 minutes-

xG- 0.18
xA- 0.13

Total- 0.31

Hurst 707 minutes-

xG- 0.25
xA- 0.23

Total- 0.48


Interesting.

Depends on the source I guess. Below shows Haks XG at 0.45 and his Actual goals at 0.48 per 90 putting him the 96th percentile in the division this season. Quite a contrast to those you’ve posted?

https://footystats.org/players/england/hakeem-adelakun

ncRover

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Re: Wing Kings
« Reply #18 on Today at 04:54:44 pm by ncRover »
Hurst has barely started and only comes on when the game is opening up.

This cant be that surprising is it?

It is surprising. He’s got to be good to get to anything like those numbers.

Football is played on grass but everything that happens on that pitch can be quantified.

He does need to be good to get those numbers but they'd be even better if they achieved over a bigger sample time, the majority of which was against players with fresh legs. When a full-back has been run ragged for 70 mins by Moly and/or Haks it'll be easier for Hurst to deliver promising attacking plays.

Adjust them down by 20% and they are still good. Small sample obviously, which you can adjust for again, but they would still be really good.   

That's good to know. I really rate Hurst; he has bags of potential and I was a bit concerned when rumour had it that McCann wasn't a fan of his earlier in the season.


These positive attacking outputs don’t take into account his off the ball stuff do they. Thats what he needs to work on.

Not impossible he could play the Haks, void of any real defensive responsibility role, if we get a good grafting winger on the other side.

Hard to find someone of Moly’s profile. Which is why I think it’s likely he doesn’t stay.

Jack Nolan left footed and plays on the right for Accrington but not a grafter going by his stats.

Mahoney currently on loan at Gillingham expiring at Huddersfield had a good season but might be L1 standard.

Humphrys as mentioned above also looks L1 standard.

 

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