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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Filo on January 10, 2022, 09:00:32 pm
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https://news.sky.com/story/over-100-employees-in-number-10-were-invited-to-garden-drinks-event-during-lockdown-report-12513277
100 invites to a party attended by the lier and his bitch while we were all in lockdown, if this doesn’t finish him off nothing will
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Waiting for Cressida Dick to announce that the Met doesn't investigate crimes.
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It appears the BBC Political reporter knew about it at the time and never reported on it
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1480625713845841921?s=21
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Not sure it reads like that Filo. I think she's saying that staffers have TODAY shown her mails that were sent at the time.
I know Kuenssberg appears to be Teflon coated as a Tory media employee at the BBC, but I don't think even she would think she could survive announcing that she knew about this at the time.
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Not sure it reads like that Filo. I think she's saying that staffers have TODAY shown her mails that were sent at the time.
I know Kuenssberg appears to be Teflon coated as a Tory media employee at the BBC, but I don't think even she would think she could survive announcing that she knew about this at the time.
If what you say is correct, there is still the issue of 100 people knowing the law was broken, the Met have security over number 10 and no one said a thing!
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https://news.sky.com/video/share-12513317
I hope the link plays but if not, the very short video of the Sky reporter asking him a question is on the Sky website.
Why was her follow up question not ‘Why are you laughing? Do you think this is funny?’.
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https://news.sky.com/video/share-12513317
I hope the link plays but if not, the very short video of the Sky reporter asking him a question is on the Sky website.
Why was her follow up question not ‘Why are you laughing? Do you think this is funny?’.
The nervous smirk of a lier
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https://news.sky.com/video/share-12513317
I hope the link plays but if not, the very short video of the Sky reporter asking him a question is on the Sky website.
Why was her follow up question not ‘Why are you laughing? Do you think this is funny?’.
The nervous smirk of a lier
A liar who thinks his ‘Good old Boris charm’ will get him out of another scrape.
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Beware the Ides of March, hoping of course we don't have to wait that long.
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I wonder when Pritti Patel was telling everyone to grass their neighbour up why the bloke living next door didn’t say anything
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I wonder when Pritti Patel was telling everyone to grass their neighbour up why the bloke living next door didn’t say anything
Someone next door was taking pics of no 10’s back garden.
#rishisnake
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I wonder when Pritti Patel was telling everyone to grass their neighbour up why the bloke living next door didn’t say anything
Someone next door was taking pics of no 10’s back garden.
#rishisnake
I said he was a snake, when loads were saying he was PM material, he’s no friend of the working man, and he’s no friend of the PM by the looks of it either
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If only test and trace worked, all contacts of one that went could be identified.
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Not sure it reads like that Filo. I think she's saying that staffers have TODAY shown her mails that were sent at the time.
I know Kuenssberg appears to be Teflon coated as a Tory media employee at the BBC, but I don't think even she would think she could survive announcing that she knew about this at the time.
If what you say is correct, there is still the issue of 100 people knowing the law was broken, the Met have security over number 10 and no one said a thing!
I agree entirely Filo. And given how embedded Kuenssberg is in No19, I don't for a minute think that she didn't know about this at the time. I just don't think she's saying that here.
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I’d love it if Kuensberg was implicated in knowing all about this at the time, but chose to say nothing.
Cant stand the toxic cow.
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"I sat in that same garden, looked the PM in the eyes and told him how my dad had died.
“He told me he had ‘done everything he could’ to protect my Dad, knowing that he had partied in that same spot the very day that Dad’s death certificate was signed."
https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1480653414983946245
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How many lockdown parties at No 10 is this now?
Did the infamous refurbishment include a glitterball, laser lights, bar, DJ booth and smoke machine?
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There's certainly a smoke machine in number 10 RD, trying to blow it up everyone's arse.
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
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https://news.sky.com/video/share-12513317 (https://news.sky.com/video/share-12513317)
I hope the link plays but if not, the very short video of the Sky reporter asking him a question is on the Sky website.
Why was her follow up question not ‘Why are you laughing? Do you think this is funny?’.
The nervous smirk of a lier
A liar who thinks his ‘Good old Boris charm’ will get him out of another scrape.
.... and looking back it "only" took the Poll Tax to finally put an end to Mrs Thatcher
See they are trying to throw the bloke who sent the e-mail out "under the bus" - though it says WE. That could be a figure of speech but would people have thought Johnson [at the time] would have thrown his arms skywards and saying NO, NO 1000 times NO when hearing of, or indeed asking for the Party to be organised
What possessed EVEN him to think the optics would be OK ?
He is also guilty of setting the toughest of rules - which Dowden announced 1 or 2 hours earlier - stopping such gatherings, stopping people like brothers and sisters hugging each other at a parents Funeral
.... and his response ? Laugh when outed. What a cnut he is and imo he has now demonstrated quite openly for even those who call him B**** .
He ISNT their mate and appears to care for nobody but himself
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
Where is there proof that there was a party in number 10?
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Here's the health minister confirming there was a party, admitting the bleedin obvious.
''Health minister admits public will be ‘angry’ over No 10 lockdown party
Ed Argar says he understands public anger after email unearthed inviting staff to drinks in the garden''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/11/health-minister-admits-public-will-be-angry-over-no-10-lockdown-party
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Is that the only contribution you can make to this BB?
And to think how many times you accuse other people of being politically biased...
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looks like the hair cut and new suit was a waste, sows ear an all that.
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
Where is there proof that there was a party in number 10?
That is a very poor attempt at belittling a post from a poster you always argue against whatever the truth!
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
Where is there proof that there was a party in number 10?
Still waiting.....
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In the GROUNDS of No10.
Is that it? You can't make any contribution other than deciding to misinterpret a bleeding obvious statement?
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On the contrary BST, YOU misinterpreted it.
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Are you saying you don't accept the leaked email and the response of the Govt as evidence that the party happened?
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I’d love it if Kuensberg was implicated in knowing all about this at the time, but chose to say nothing.
Cant stand the toxic cow.
Oi!
Leave wobbly-gob alone, she’s the political poster babe forcryingoutloud!
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Are you saying you don't accept the leaked email and the response of the Govt as evidence that the party happened?
I don't accept people's desperate attempts to bring down a government in the only way they can because the party they support is too inept to gather enough support on its own merit.
I also get sick and tired of watching complete arseholes like Richard f**king Madeley and Susanna bitch Reid insisting Boris states whether he was at the party or not when if he'd have answered either way they would have accused him of admitting there was a party because you can't go or not go to a party that didn't take place.
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She is the poster girl for all that has fallen apart in BBC political journalism.
Zero interest or ability in doing the hard stuff of digging into detail and doing hard analysis.
She's made a career out of being matey with politicians and aides and acting as a conduit for whatever story they want to get out.
That example a couple of days before the last election, when Cummings texted her that a Labour party member had assaulted a Tory aide outside a hospital (plot spoiler: nothing of the sort happened) and she just repeated that unchecked and unprocessed was what you get from her. Shockingly bad journalism.
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So you're not going to make any criticism of this affair. And that's not being politically biased.
Glad you've cleared that up BB.
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She is the poster girl for all that has fallen apart in BBC political journalism.
Zero interest or ability in doing the hard stuff of digging into detail and doing hard analysis.
She's made a career out of being matey with politicians and aides and acting as a conduit for whatever story they want to get out.
That example a couple of days before the last election, when Cummings texted her that a Labour party member had assaulted a Tory aide outside a hospital (plot spoiler: nothing of the sort happened) and she just repeated that unchecked and unprocessed was what you get from her. Shockingly bad journalism.
Yeah, fancy believing a liar like Cummings.........Hang on a minute!
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So you're not going to make any criticism of this affair. And that's not being politically biased.
Glad you've cleared that up BB.
ME politically BIASED? Hahahahahahahahahahahahhhahhahahahahahhahahahahahaha!
Are you having a laugh? Is he having a laugh? HE IS HAVING A LAUGH!
Apart from that, I'll criticise any misdemeanours when proper evidence from a proper investigation concludes that misdemeanours have occurred if you don't mind..... Not that I don't trust YOUR judgement like!
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And off you go again BB. Doing that black/white Good/Evil Old Testmanent act again.
Do you remember WHY I believed Cummings on certain issues? Because he had documentary evidence. I wouldn't trust him to tell me the time honestly if there was no back up. But when his claims are backed up by documentary evidence, choosing to ignore that is something only the politically biased would do. As you did.
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Yes BB.
Take a step back and see how you come across. You never, ever criticise any action of Johnson or this Govt. You never ever approve of anything that Starmer or the Labour party does. That is the most extreme example of political bias in this place. And you don't even realise it.
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And off you go again BB. Doing that black/white Good/Evil Old Testmanent act again.
Do you remember WHY I believed Cummings on certain issues? Because he had documentary evidence. I wouldn't trust him to tell me the time honestly if there was no back up. But when his claims are backed up by documentary evidence, choosing to ignore that is something only the politically biased would do. As you did.
I, like everybody else, know why you believe Cummings on certain issues. You believe him if it suits your agenda. Otherwise, you wouldn't even bother searching for documentary evidence.
And, you continue to be wrong in assuming I'm the one who's politically biased when plenty of my political posts on this forum are intended to address political bias, just like on this occasion.
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I didn't say anything about you being THE one who is politically biased.
Every person alive have political bias. There's just no-one in here quite as biased as you.
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''Seven occasions when Boris Johnson denied No 10 broke Covid rules
The moments when PM said claims of Downing Street lockdown party breaches were false''
It will be good to see johnson support these claims.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/11/seven-occasions-when-boris-johnson-denied-no-10-broke-covid-rules
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I didn't say anything about you being THE one who is politically biased.
Every person alive have political bias. There's just no-one in here quite as biased as you.
I detect some personal bias there! Maybe you should look in the mirror.
Edit: On reflection, maybe you've spent too long looking in the Mirror.
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And BB deflects another thread down a rabbit hole rather than comment on the subject of the thread!!!!
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I’d love it if Kuensberg was implicated in knowing all about this at the time, but chose to say nothing.
Cant stand the toxic cow.
Oi!
Leave wobbly-gob alone, she’s the political poster babe forcryingoutloud!
Using the term ‘wobbly gob’ is entirely inappropriate & if you had anything about you, you’d remove your post immediately, but knowing you I won’t hold my breath.
There are many people who suffer facial palsies after a TIA.
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https://news.sky.com/video/share-12513317
I hope the link plays but if not, the very short video of the Sky reporter asking him a question is on the Sky website.
Why was her follow up question not ‘Why are you laughing? Do you think this is funny?’.
Jeez, where are all the ‘Robin Days’ when you need them.
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And BB deflects another thread down a rabbit hole rather than comment on the subject of the thread!!!!
Deflecting political bias is a worthy cause.
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There is a world of difference in my view between a few drinks and food outside whilst still discussing work alongside really long hours and preplanned having a get together which this appears to be. That's a significant difference and it takes it from a view of being fair enough to being totally unacceptable.
Might be the end of Boris as PM, but I'm not sure how long that joy will be lived on the left when someone else comes in.
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https://news.sky.com/video/share-12513317
I hope the link plays but if not, the very short video of the Sky reporter asking him a question is on the Sky website.
Why was her follow up question not ‘Why are you laughing? Do you think this is funny?’.
Christ, that is the political equivalent of "Under advice from my legal team, I have chosen not to answer that question."
If he survives this, I do wonder whether our political system is broken beyond repair.
As for "the left" having to worry about his successor, one thing is for sure. His successor will not have the same box office appeal as Johnson. The debate post-Johnson will be less one of personalities and more one of principles and policies. And as I've noted several times, there is very little good news on the horizon for the Tories. Living standards will be ground down for the next 18 months and the car crash of dealing with the consequences of Brexit will roll remorselessly on. Sunak and Truss, the two most likely successors, have their dabs all over the policies that are storing up so much trouble in the medium future.
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There is a world of difference in my view between a few drinks and food outside whilst still discussing work alongside really long hours and preplanned having a get together which this appears to be. That's a significant difference and it takes it from a view of being fair enough to being totally unacceptable.
Might be the end of Boris as PM, but I'm not sure how long that joy will be lived on the left when someone else comes in.
So ypu really believe that the cheese and wine "party in the garden" was a continuation of a business meeting even with Carrie Antoinette and sprog in tow? Wow!
Assuming in your job you attend business meetings there are usually 2 things usually visible a pen and note pad, assuming of course iPads are not being used, can't see any of those things at that particular business meeting
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There is a world of difference in my view between a few drinks and food outside whilst still discussing work alongside really long hours and preplanned having a get together which this appears to be. That's a significant difference and it takes it from a view of being fair enough to being totally unacceptable.
Might be the end of Boris as PM, but I'm not sure how long that joy will be lived on the left when someone else comes in.
TBH getting Johnson out now maybe detrimental to the Labour parties chances in the next election.
Popular as Johnson has been, given all the sleeze he is wallowing in and the likely prospect of more to come, and the forthcoming cost of living crisis...
Then that might well be a better opportunity than seeing the Conservatives bring in a more capable leader to clear the mess before the next election
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That's always assuming they have a more capable leader in waiting.
Sunak has demonstrated several times in the past year that he either doesn't understand the simple basics of economics, or is is another out and out deceiver. Either way, his economic policies are going to hit the majority of workers very, very hard over the next 18 months.
Truss? well God alone knows what Truss is. She has flipped from a committed Remainer, (correctly) warning of the economic damage that Brexit would cause, to a Little Englander, impotently threatening to blow our own kneecaps off if the EU won't do what we want. And that's before you get onto her public speaking. For God's sake, don't ask her to say "cheese".
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Or wine. Or party.
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That's always assuming they have a more capable leader in waiting.
JRM, Pritti Patel, Esther Mcvey all a better choice than Captain Hindsight and Little Miss Gobshite on the oppo benches.
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3 thoughts.
1) When Johnson has been caught with his keck's down and his cock in his hand before, the Tories have wheeled out well-known ministers to take the flak in the media and argue that it wasn't his cock, it was a sword in his hand that he was going to use to free Brittania.
Today they have fronted up with Michael Ellis in Parliament and Edward Argar in the media.
Now, I'm a politics obsessive but I have never heard of either of these two. And listening to their performances I can see why.
2) That screams out that the big names have dug their heels in this time and are refusing to give Johnson cover. I'm guessing they are considering how trying to defend this shit show would look when they stand for leader.
3) And here's the biggie. The defence line those two non-entities used repeatedly today was "We're not talking about this until the investigation has reported." Which means 2 things. One they don't have any credible defence line to push. 2) Johnson's political future is now entirely in the hands of the civil servant running the investigation. He's always been a master of giving himself an escape route when he's lied in the past. This time, he is painted right into the corner.
It always catches up with you in the end.
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That's always assuming they have a more capable leader in waiting.
JRM, Pritti Patel, Esther Mcvey all a better choice than Captain Hindsight and Little Miss Gobshite on the oppo benches.
Oh please! Please baby Jesus! Any one of those three for Tory leader! All three would be even better.
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While Bozo was attending his party, my brother was visiting our mum who was in a nursing home that was in lockdown.
Mum was 99 years old, blind, very deaf, confused & frightened. She couldn’t understand why my brother ‘wouldn’t’ hug her as he stood outside with his mask on trying to talk to her through an open window.
I was isolating because I’m in the ‘high risk category’, isolating as advised by this government.
Mum died in the January, 2 months before her 100th birthday.
I’d always promised her I’d be by her side. I wasn’t.
I seeth every time I see this man’s image.
I wish him nothing but ill.
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A few weeks after that party, my 78 year old mother was in hospital after a heart attack. None of the family was able to visit her. But that t**t and his cronies were above the rules that the rest of us stuck to for the good of society.
And don't anyone dare come in here and say they didn't know what an amoral Kitson they were voting for when they voted him in.
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It really doesn’t matter who is the next PM. Or the next, or the next.
The opposition are a million miles away from being given the opportunity to do, or being capable of doing, a better job.
Simply waiting and hoping for this government to collectively or individually f**k up to such an extent that they lose enough votes to relinquish power is frightening.
British politics has mutated into something quite hideous over the past decade or so. Not one party, just in general. In that sense, they ARE all the same.
We are in for years and years of terrible governance, whoever is in charge. There is just no light in sight. That isn’t just because of Brexit, or Covid or any other single reason.
We are being desperately let down by all of them, and it’s not going to change for a long, long time.
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I reckon everyone knows that Belton but some won’t admit it.
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I reckon everyone knows that Belton but some won’t admit it.
Which is why it’s not going to get any better, any time soon.
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While Bozo was attending his party, my brother was visiting our mum who was in a nursing home that was in lockdown.
Mum was 99 years old, blind, very deaf, confused & frightened. She couldn’t understand why my brother ‘wouldn’t’ hug her as he stood outside with his mask on trying to talk to her through an open window.
I was isolating because I’m in the ‘high risk category’, isolating as advised by this government.
Mum died in the January, 2 months before her 100th birthday.
I’d always promised her I’d be by her side. I wasn’t.
I seeth every time I see this man’s image.
I wish him nothing but ill.
That must be awful for you and your family. My wife's man who passed away recently had only just gone into a home as she was cared for by her two daughters during that period , not because that was really the best thing for any of them but they couldn't basically agree not to see her again , So they battled on and managed to the detriment of all of them I think. These and all the others like them are the examples they have to be accountable for , and frankly " they are all the same " just doesn't cut it
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It really doesn’t matter who is the next PM. Or the next, or the next.
The opposition are a million miles away from being given the opportunity to do, or being capable of doing, a better job.
Simply waiting and hoping for this government to collectively or individually f**k up to such an extent that they lose enough votes to relinquish power is frightening.
British politics has mutated into something quite hideous over the past decade or so. Not one party, just in general. In that sense, they ARE all the same.
We are in for years and years of terrible governance, whoever is in charge. There is just no light in sight. That isn’t just because of Brexit, or Covid or any other single reason.
We are being desperately let down by all of them, and it’s not going to change for a long, long time.
For the last decade or so the Tories have been in power, and when the labour party went far left with Corbyn the British public rejected the idea of voting for such a party, so Labour and the Liberal's had to swing back to the center. I reject this idea I'm hearing more and more from mainly Tory voters though (not necessarily you Belton) that all parties are the same - they are trying to excuse the current state of the government; almost a "better the devil you know" attitude. It's BS. There are still politicians with values on both sides of the house, it's just the media are giving the soapbox to idiots and "characters" like Johnson and his cronies.
Remember when Milliband was front page news for the way he ate a sandwich? I miss those days...
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I reckon everyone knows that Belton but some won’t admit it.
Which is why it’s not going to get any better, any time soon.
Maybe time for a new party to come to the fore?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Build nuclear power stations.
Properly fund but massively reorganise the NHS, slash the numbers of overpaid so called managers.
Sort out the old age pension, so people who have worked all their lives don't end up in poverty.
Rebuild our armed forces to defend our homeland.
Stop asylum seekers/migrants from landing upon our shores.
Invest in British industry. We should strive to manufacture everything we need here.
Build more prisons and get tough on crime. Make prison tough so no-one wants to go there.
Stop getting involved in foreign wars and interfering in other countries affairs.
Stop the woke agenda and be proud of our achievments and history.
That's just for starters. Why any party wouldn't want to do these common sense things is beyond me.
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We live in a global economy, whether you like it or not Axholme.
There so many things to pick at with your post, but if you truly believe it's possible to manufacture everything we need here, I wouldn't know where to start with the rest of it.
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It really doesn’t matter who is the next PM. Or the next, or the next.
The opposition are a million miles away from being given the opportunity to do, or being capable of doing, a better job.
Simply waiting and hoping for this government to collectively or individually f**k up to such an extent that they lose enough votes to relinquish power is frightening.
British politics has mutated into something quite hideous over the past decade or so. Not one party, just in general. In that sense, they ARE all the same.
We are in for years and years of terrible governance, whoever is in charge. There is just no light in sight. That isn’t just because of Brexit, or Covid or any other single reason.
We are being desperately let down by all of them, and it’s not going to change for a long, long time.
For the last decade or so the Tories have been in power, and when the labour party went far left with Corbyn the British public rejected the idea of voting for such a party, so Labour and the Liberal's had to swing back to the center. I reject this idea I'm hearing more and more from mainly Tory voters though (not necessarily you Belton) that all parties are the same - they are trying to excuse the current state of the government; almost a "better the devil you know" attitude. It's BS. There are still politicians with values on both sides of the house, it's just the media are giving the soapbox to idiots and "characters" like Johnson and his cronies.
Remember when Milliband was front page news for the way he ate a sandwich? I miss those days...
I nearly wrote ‘better the devil you know’ but realised that wasn’t what I meant. I actually think that Labour believe they should be in charge simply because they are not as dishonest as the current government, not because they could run the country better.
I suppose that’s more like ‘better the devil you don’t know’.
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We live in a global economy, whether you like it or not Axholme.
There so many things to pick at with your post, but if you truly believe it's possible to manufacture everything we need here, I wouldn't know where to start with the rest of it.
I said we should strive to do that. Obviously we can't make everything but what's wrong with trying to do as much as possible. The more we are self sufficient the better. What's wrong with trying something new rather than the same old?
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We live in a global economy, whether you like it or not Axholme.
There so many things to pick at with your post, but if you truly believe it's possible to manufacture everything we need here, I wouldn't know where to start with the rest of it.
I said we should strive to do that. Obviously we can't make everything but what's wrong with trying to do as much as possible. The more we are self sufficient the better. What's wrong with trying something new rather than the same old?
The world has tried that at various times in history. There's usually someone abroad better and cheaper at making many things than your own workers, so if you want to protect your own companies and force your own people to buy domestically, you have to make it more expensive to import. You do that by putting import tariffs on incoming goods which makes imports more expensive and so encourages your own people to Buy British.
2 problems with that.
1) Britain isn't the only country in the world. If we put taxes on other countries; goods coming to us, they will do the same on our goods going abroad. Which will kill off export-focussed British businesses.
2) If you protect your own companies from overseas competition, you insulate them from the need to remain competitive. Companies don't feel the need to invest in new plant and equipment. Managers and workers get lazy. Compared to the rest of the world, your productivity falls and you drop further and further behind them. You don't get richer by doing this. In the long run, you get poorer.
The worst example was the 1930s, where country after country responded to the unemployment of the early part of the Great Depression by putting p trade barriers to keep out foreign competition. In doing that, every country's economy suffered and the Depression went on and on. One early drive of the EEC was to make sure that didn't happen again in Europe by making it possible for Italian companies to sell in Holland, and Belgian companies to sell in Germany. And it was a resounding success. When the EEC started, the UK was much wealthier than any other European country. By the time we joined in 1973, we'd been overtaken by West Germany and France and were about to be by Italy.
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A few weeks after that party, my 78 year old mother was in hospital after a heart attack. None of the family was able to visit her. But that t**t and his cronies were above the rules that the rest of us stuck to for the good of society.
And don't anyone dare come in here and say they didn't know what an amoral Kitson they were voting for when they voted him in.
Knew exactly what he was, still chose him over corbyn. I think that should say it all.
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Just discovered this - clearly a blueprint for government press briefings https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM
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I reckon everyone knows that Belton but some won’t admit it.
Which is why it’s not going to get any better, any time soon.
Maybe time for a new party to come to the fore?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Build nuclear power stations.
Properly fund but massively reorganise the NHS, slash the numbers of overpaid so called managers.
Sort out the old age pension, so people who have worked all their lives don't end up in poverty.
Rebuild our armed forces to defend our homeland.
Stop asylum seekers/migrants from landing upon our shores.
Invest in British industry. We should strive to manufacture everything we need here.
Build more prisons and get tough on crime. Make prison tough so no-one wants to go there.
Stop getting involved in foreign wars and interfering in other countries affairs.
Stop the woke agenda and be proud of our achievments and history.
That's just for starters. Why any party wouldn't want to do these common sense things is beyond me.
And Kim Jong-un for PM!
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I reckon everyone knows that Belton but some won’t admit it.
Which is why it’s not going to get any better, any time soon.
Maybe time for a new party to come to the fore?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Build nuclear power stations.
Properly fund but massively reorganise the NHS, slash the numbers of overpaid so called managers.
Sort out the old age pension, so people who have worked all their lives don't end up in poverty.
Rebuild our armed forces to defend our homeland.
Stop asylum seekers/migrants from landing upon our shores.
Invest in British industry. We should strive to manufacture everything we need here.
Build more prisons and get tough on crime. Make prison tough so no-one wants to go there.
Stop getting involved in foreign wars and interfering in other countries affairs.
Stop the woke agenda and be proud of our achievments and history.
That's just for starters. Why any party wouldn't want to do these common sense things is beyond me.
And Kim Jong-un for PM!
Crikey BigH, if that ever did happen people would be crying out for Boris to be reinstated.
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go johnson, inveterate liar, rule maker-not taker and natural born coward, we know he won't be in Afghanistan.
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We live in a global economy, whether you like it or not Axholme.
There so many things to pick at with your post, but if you truly believe it's possible to manufacture everything we need here, I wouldn't know where to start with the rest of it.
I said we should strive to do that. Obviously we can't make everything but what's wrong with trying to do as much as possible. The more we are self sufficient the better. What's wrong with trying something new rather than the same old?
The world has tried that at various times in history. There's usually someone abroad better and cheaper at making many things than your own workers, so if you want to protect your own companies and force your own people to buy domestically, you have to make it more expensive to import. You do that by putting import tariffs on incoming goods which makes imports more expensive and so encourages your own people to Buy British.
2 problems with that.
1) Britain isn't the only country in the world. If we put taxes on other countries; goods coming to us, they will do the same on our goods going abroad. Which will kill off export-focussed British businesses.
2) If you protect your own companies from overseas competition, you insulate them from the need to remain competitive. Companies don't feel the need to invest in new plant and equipment. Managers and workers get lazy. Compared to the rest of the world, your productivity falls and you drop further and further behind them. You don't get richer by doing this. In the long run, you get poorer.
The worst example was the 1930s, where country after country responded to the unemployment of the early part of the Great Depression by putting p trade barriers to keep out foreign competition. In doing that, every country's economy suffered and the Depression went on and on. One early drive of the EEC was to make sure that didn't happen again in Europe by making it possible for Italian companies to sell in Holland, and Belgian companies to sell in Germany. And it was a resounding success. When the EEC started, the UK was much wealthier than any other European country. By the time we joined in 1973, we'd been overtaken by West Germany and France and were about to be by Italy.
There's a balance though, there are advantages In British or even local as a selling point. Was talking to a sales guy at my work on it and people do like that local angle as a sales pitch.
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Yes they do pud, when they or their company can afford it.
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You would think that the City of Westminster would have made them apply for a licence?
''How many Covid lockdown parties were held by Downing Street?''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59952395
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johnson lies low, high and everywhere in between.
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I’d love it if Kuensberg was implicated in knowing all about this at the time, but chose to say nothing.
Cant stand the toxic cow.
Now that’s something we agree on
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
Where is there proof that there was a party in number 10?
Sometimes you just have to accept what’s in front of your eyes; nobody, even the government, are denying it.
If Boris and co can’t even accept or be accountable for this what else have they managed to blinker you and other supporters with?
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A few weeks after that party, my 78 year old mother was in hospital after a heart attack. None of the family was able to visit her. But that t**t and his cronies were above the rules that the rest of us stuck to for the good of society.
And don't anyone dare come in here and say they didn't know what an amoral Kitson they were voting for when they voted him in.
Knew exactly what he was, still chose him over corbyn. I think that should say it all.
It tells me you’re disillusioned.
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
Where is there proof that there was a party in number 10?
Sometimes you just have to accept what’s in front of your eyes; nobody, even the government, are denying it.
If Boris and co can’t even accept or be accountable for this what else have they managed to blinker you and other supporters with?
I don't wear blinkers, you should try it.
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the blind don't need blinkers
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A few weeks after that party, my 78 year old mother was in hospital after a heart attack. None of the family was able to visit her. But that t**t and his cronies were above the rules that the rest of us stuck to for the good of society.
And don't anyone dare come in here and say they didn't know what an amoral Kitson they were voting for when they voted him in.
Knew exactly what he was, still chose him over corbyn. I think that should say it all.
It tells me you’re disillusioned.
You’re not wrong, I have developed a very strong belief you don’t stand for election unless you are intent on lining your own pockets. Wouldn’t trust a single Mp over anything.
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I have the popcorn ready for PMQs, today's should be interesting, unless johnson has to isolate.
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Of all the criticisms that can fairly be levelled at Corbyn, "lining his own pockets" is simply ridiculous.
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Of all the criticisms that can fairly be levelled at Corbyn, "lining his own pockets" is simply ridiculous.
I line that at ANYONE who stands for election, likely even down at local council level
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Kim Leadbeater
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I stand by what I said
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Of all the criticisms that can fairly be levelled at Corbyn, "lining his own pockets" is simply ridiculous.
Leaves that to the rest of his family, but I do agree.
None of his cabinet colleagues willing to back the pm. Saw a good thing today saying they will act when the balance between defeat and issue tips to defeat. That point is close.
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You're entitled Ldr but it doesn't stand up to any sort of rational scrutiny is all, there are sooooo many reasons why people become involved in politics at all levels in all parties and independents and you can only name a small percentage of them, never mind understand their motives.
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Not sure if it has been covered already, but i wonder what Carrie's part in this debacle is. She seems to be encourageable and needy.... not that Boris requires much leading.
Think his time is up - I'm just very surprised that he has managed to ride the wave for so long...
I don't expect him to fall on his sword - as that would be an honourable thing to do - but I think even he (with his lack of perspicacity) will shortly realise that his position is untenable.
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You're entitled Ldr but it doesn't stand up to any sort of rational scrutiny is all, there are sooooo many reasons why people become involved in politics at all levels in all parties and independents and you can only name a small percentage of them, never mind understand their motives.
Aidanstu is correct Syd, I am completely disillusioned with politicians
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
Where is there proof that there was a party in number 10?
Sometimes you just have to accept what’s in front of your eyes; nobody, even the government, are denying it.
If Boris and co can’t even accept or be accountable for this what else have they managed to blinker you and other supporters with?
aidanstu, look have to look at what BB actually wrote.
It isn’t what you think he wrote.
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But that would mean him taking his blinkers off, hound. It ain't gonna happen!
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Back to the original OP!
I didn’t get an invite!
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Apparently the email inviting people to the No10 party was headed OFFICIAL-SENSITIVE. Rather than the standard OFFICIAL for messages that have no security implications.
That strongly suggests that the sender did not want the message that they were having a knees up to get out.
That surely closes off the "work meeting" excuse that's been trotted out previously. They knew what they were doing was wrong.
Johnson is in a real bind at PMQs.
1) He cannot now play the "I've been told by advisers that nothing happened" card. Because the accusation is that he personally was there.
2) He surely cannot answer "Let's wait for the inquiry to report" to a direct "Were you there?" question. If he does, he is an absolute laughing stock. Why do you need an inquiry to tell you where you were?
3) I heard talk on R4 today that he was going to do a grovelling apology and try to put it to bed that way. But if he does, that is a) an admission that he broke the law and b) an admission that he lied to Parliament previously. In previous times either of those would be automatic resigning issues.
I genuinely don't see how be gets out of this without at the very least having any remaining shred of honesty and competence destroyed. Should make interesting viewing.
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You’re generous saying he has shreds left
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We could have a sort of lucky pint thread going, name the line ups, tactics, own goals etc.
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You’re generous suggesting he had any to start with Ldr!
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You’re generous saying he has shreds left
In a poll yesterday, 45% of people who voted Tory in 2019 said he shouldn't resign. So about 20% of the electorate clearly don't have a problem with him.
You do begin to wonder what it would take.
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Of all the criticisms that can fairly be levelled at Corbyn, "lining his own pockets" is simply ridiculous.
I line that at ANYONE who stands for election, likely even down at local council level
Can't let this pass.
I'm a parish Councillor.
All of us work for nothing.
We've never taken a penny.
We do it for the good of the village.
For instance every Thursday I drive around delivering food and supplies to those in poverty in our village.
Food and supplies which us councillors get from local suppliers who have a social conscience
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Of all the criticisms that can fairly be levelled at Corbyn, "lining his own pockets" is simply ridiculous.
I line that at ANYONE who stands for election, likely even down at local council level
Can't let this pass.
I'm a parish Councillor.
All of us work for nothing.
We've never taken a penny.
We do it for the good of the village.
For instance every Thursday I drive around delivering food and supplies to those in poverty in our village.
Food and supplies which us councillors get from local suppliers who have a social conscience
It's so good to hear TT, I support local councillors, here of course, and was campaigning for them last month, they work incredibly hard.
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Of all the criticisms that can fairly be levelled at Corbyn, "lining his own pockets" is simply ridiculous.
I line that at ANYONE who stands for election, likely even down at local council level
Can't let this pass.
I'm a parish Councillor.
All of us work for nothing.
We've never taken a penny.
We do it for the good of the village.
For instance every Thursday I drive around delivering food and supplies to those in poverty in our village.
Food and supplies which us councillors get from local suppliers who have a social conscience
TT I have to clarify by local council level I was referring to DMBC level
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Aye right
3 of our parish councillors are also DMBC councillors.
They are beyond reproach too.
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Aye right
3 of our parish councillors are also DMBC councillors.
They are beyond reproach too.
Am glad you have a higher opinion than me
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Things just keep on getting worse for the Govt, the whole cabinet should resign
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-vip-lane-used-by-government-to-hand-out-ppe-contracts-to-two-companies-during-first-coronavirus-wave-was-unlawful-high-court-rules-12514239
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Does anyone else get the impression this feels
Like the end of John Majors time now?
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Yes. That's because I know these people personally and don't just resort to making sweeping statements without any evidence whatsoever.
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Yes. That's because I know these people personally and don't just resort to making sweeping statements without any evidence whatsoever.
That’s fine, I have no issue with you having a different opinion to me mate. As I have stated earlier in the thread, I am totally disillusioned with politics and politicians and that’s how I see them. There may be still good apples out there but a constant barrage of sleaze and contempt suggests they may be a minority
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TT, they may very well be great people beyond reproach but I dare say if they were followed all day, every day, and every word they uttered and action they followed was reported on by people seeking reasons to discredit them, the public would hear adverse stories.
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Things just keep on getting worse for the Govt, the whole cabinet should resign
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-vip-lane-used-by-government-to-hand-out-ppe-contracts-to-two-companies-during-first-coronavirus-wave-was-unlawful-high-court-rules-12514239
Gove acted unlawfully, well I'll go to our house, probably people following him around reporting on everything he says and does, aye?
Hancock acted unlawfully when he failed to publish details of ppe contracts in Feb, what a mess, pigs in the trough.
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/donn-m28.html
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/donn-m28.html
Ancient history Millwall.
Have you met Ros Jones or had anything to do with her.?
Shes as honest and straightforward as the day is long.
This Donny council is doing its best under this Governments severe financial constraints.
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TT, they may very well be great people beyond reproach but I dare say if they were followed all day, every day, and every word they uttered and action they followed was reported on by people seeking reasons to discredit them, the public would hear adverse stories.
Whereas if everyone was prepared to turn a blind eye to the most egregious lying and corruption we'd all be as happy as pigs in shite?
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''Money for their mates
The High Court has now ruled Michael Gove broke the law by giving a contract to a communications agency run by long time associates of him and Dominic Cummings.
The Court found that the decision to award the £560,000 contract to Public First was tainted by “apparent bias” and was unlawful''
https://goodlawproject.org/case/money-for-dominic-cummings-mates/
there a link to the ruling in there too
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It's unbelievable, ''I thought it was a work meeting''
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TT, they may very well be great people beyond reproach but I dare say if they were followed all day, every day, and every word they uttered and action they followed was reported on by people seeking reasons to discredit them, the public would hear adverse stories.
Whereas if everyone was prepared to turn a blind eye to the most egregious lying and corruption we'd all be as happy as pigs in shite?
I dare say you would be if it suited your agenda, yes.
Now, instead of answering my post with another question, just for once actually address the validity of it.
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It's unbelievable, ''I thought it was a work meeting''
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Never thought to tell them all to f**k off out of his back garden
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/donn-m28.html
Ancient history Millwall.
Have you met Ros Jones or had anything to do with her.?
Shes as honest and straightforward as the day is long.
This Donny council is doing its best under this Governments severe financial constraints.
Has her new Tesla with free charging arrived yet? I'm so glad i'm over the border and don't have to fund this lot.
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/donn-m28.html
Ancient history Millwall.
Have you met Ros Jones or had anything to do with her.?
Shes as honest and straightforward as the day is long.
This Donny council is doing its best under this Governments severe financial constraints.
Has her new Tesla with free charging arrived yet? I'm so glad i'm over the border and don't have to fund this lot.
Your a brave man/rich AL, especially following the recent case where Corbyn won damages for a socilal media comment
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/donn-m28.html
Ancient history Millwall.
Have you met Ros Jones or had anything to do with her.?
Shes as honest and straightforward as the day is long.
This Donny council is doing its best under this Governments severe financial constraints.
Has her new Tesla with free charging arrived yet? I'm so glad i'm over the border and don't have to fund this lot.
So the fact that she only takes half her salary is neither here or there then Millwall?
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/donn-m28.html
Ancient history Millwall.
Have you met Ros Jones or had anything to do with her.?
Shes as honest and straightforward as the day is long.
This Donny council is doing its best under this Governments severe financial constraints.
Has her new Tesla with free charging arrived yet? I'm so glad i'm over the border and don't have to fund this lot.
I'm no fan of some of the strategies employed locally, but I fail to see what is wrong with that it's fairly normal.
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''Money for their mates
The High Court has now ruled Michael Gove broke the law by giving a contract to a communications agency run by long time associates of him and Dominic Cummings.
The Court found that the decision to award the £560,000 contract to Public First was tainted by “apparent bias” and was unlawful''
https://goodlawproject.org/case/money-for-dominic-cummings-mates/
there a link to the ruling in there too
No, we should have asked the government to make sure all the paperwork tied up before getting the PPE clearly. Covid is a valid reason to get around some rules in my view. Look at the substance of the finding, it's not that it was awarded just that it was done quickly. In short it means naff all difference. There are times where you should bend rules and processes to get what you need and yes, some people may benefit and it may cost you more, but it can be the right thing to do.
I've seen it with a number of contracts I've worked on with government local government in the past and run by all political parties, it is often the right thing to do.
Oh and back to the party, the PM rightfully admits it was an error, for me it's too big an error to keep his job.
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So Boris admits he was at the party for 25 minutes but insists he thought it was work related.
Surely the next question should be is: how much work did you see taking place in that 25 minutes and by whom?
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The email inviting people clearly stated it was not work related, but a get together in the nice weather. BYO.
If Johnson thinks he can get away with expecting people to believe it anything else then he's really grasping at straws.
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''Money for their mates
The High Court has now ruled Michael Gove broke the law by giving a contract to a communications agency run by long time associates of him and Dominic Cummings.
The Court found that the decision to award the £560,000 contract to Public First was tainted by “apparent bias” and was unlawful''
https://goodlawproject.org/case/money-for-dominic-cummings-mates/
there a link to the ruling in there too
No, we should have asked the government to make sure all the paperwork tied up before getting the PPE clearly. Covid is a valid reason to get around some rules in my view. Look at the substance of the finding, it's not that it was awarded just that it was done quickly. In short it means naff all difference. There are times where you should bend rules and processes to get what you need and yes, some people may benefit and it may cost you more, but it can be the right thing to do.
I've seen it with a number of contracts I've worked on with government local government in the past and run by all political parties, it is often the right thing to do.
Oh and back to the party, the PM rightfully admits it was an error, for me it's too big an error to keep his job.
The thing is though if they were businesses which had a history in the field or a similar field then fair enough but some of these are day old companies set up by friends of MPs. We should be using people who know what they're on about, not just someone's mate.
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It's just brazen, he's simply taking the piss.
And the Police, saying they can't investigate a party they were guarding. It's beyond belief.
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Its an utter disgrace, politics in this country for me is at its lowest ebb. I have no faith in anything, any of them say anymore.
This man is supposed to lead by example and at the time this party took place, personally I wasn't able to see my daughters, couldn't see my parents, couldn't see friends and family. My brother was admitted to hospital with COVID and we all thought the worst but thankfully recovered.
He has to resign and anyone else that was at that party should step away from politics for good as they are all a bloody disgrace!
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To be fair, some of the 100 invited replied with comments such as WTF? and 'is this for real?'
But it still went ahead. I'd question the sanity of Reynolds and all those who attended.
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2 things spring out
1 He couldn't have had e mail invite or he would have known it was a party, didn't want him there
2 Gatecrasher...... what a freeloader obviously didn't bring his own booze yet drank everyone elses
:-))
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The head of the prime ministers office sends out an invitation to a party.
The invitation uses the word "we"
So, who is the invitation on behalf of?
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/donn-m28.html
Ancient history Millwall.
Have you met Ros Jones or had anything to do with her.?
Shes as honest and straightforward as the day is long.
This Donny council is doing its best under this Governments severe financial constraints.
Has her new Tesla with free charging arrived yet? I'm so glad i'm over the border and don't have to fund this lot.
Your a brave man/rich AL, especially following the recent case where Corbyn won damages for a socilal media comment
I'm asking a question to confirm a statement i was told, hence the question mark.
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What's wrong with someone owning a Tesla? :laugh:
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Ask OMD.
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I personally can’t condemn boris for attending given the amount of lockdown rules I flaunted but blatantly lying is grounds to resign imho
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He's a piece of work isn't he?
It's clear what he's doing. Setting up his Secretary to take the fall. He's going to push this line: "No-one told me there was a party. I didn't arrange it. When I saw 30 people supping in the garden I thought they were working. I'm disgusted that they were actually partying. The organiser will have to resign."
Here we go. This from the BBC.
The prime minister did not see or receive the email inviting staff to "socially distanced drinks" on 20 May 2020, his press secretary has told reporters - nor did he tell him to send it.
Setting up the Secretary for the fall. "Nowt to do with me guv".
Note the careful use of words.
"nor did he tell him to send it."
As several commentators have noted, it is beyond belief that his Private Secretary would invite 100 people to Johnson's house for a party without checking with Johnson first. So the question is not did Johnson tell him to organise the party. It is, why did t Johnson stop him?
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He's a piece of work isn't he?
It's clear what he's doing. Setting up his Secretary to take the fall. He's going to push this line: "No-one told me there was a party. I didn't arrange it. When I saw 30 people supping in the garden I thought they were working. I'm disgusted that they were actually partying. The organiser will have to resign."
Simply he has to go
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I've just seen the PMQ footage for myself.
Meaningless words just dribble out of his mouth. He said he fully takes responsibility for the "mistakes" made.
OK. Let's take that at face value. It is clear that they broke the law. He says he's taking full responsibility for that. Why is he still in office then?
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"It would be understandable if people in Yorkshire and the surrounding regions do not trust a word this Prime Minister says - ever again."
Yorkshire Post
https://t.co/xn2rhvnUGC
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TT, they may very well be great people beyond reproach but I dare say if they were followed all day, every day, and every word they uttered and action they followed was reported on by people seeking reasons to discredit them, the public would hear adverse stories.
Whereas if everyone was prepared to turn a blind eye to the most egregious lying and corruption we'd all be as happy as pigs in shite?
I dare say you would be if it suited your agenda, yes.
Now, instead of answering my post with another question, just for once actually address the validity of it.
That's precisely what I did. Please don't embarrass yourself by asking me to explain in words of one syllable.
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TT, they may very well be great people beyond reproach but I dare say if they were followed all day, every day, and every word they uttered and action they followed was reported on by people seeking reasons to discredit them, the public would hear adverse stories.
Whereas if everyone was prepared to turn a blind eye to the most egregious lying and corruption we'd all be as happy as pigs in shite?
I dare say you would be if it suited your agenda, yes.
Now, instead of answering my post with another question, just for once actually address the validity of it.
That's precisely what I did. Please don't embarrass yourself by asking me to explain in words of one syllable.
No you didn't! I want you to explain what is inaccurate about my post.
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Who said there was anyt...actually, f**k it. Go down your own rabbit hole. I've got stuff to do.
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If there is nothing wrong with my post, why did you feel the need to respond negatively to it?
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If there is nothing wrong with my post, why did you feel the need to respond negatively to it?
Seeing it was asked of me in initially, then I'll respond BB.
As I said these are honest, decent people, so I'd expect the press would soon lose interest. Nothing to see here.
Whereas your beloved Boris, well he's the gift that keeps on giving.
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Then I suggest you are naive, TT. The British press like to debase anyone they can in any walk of life, from politics to sport, the more honest and decent the person the better. If it sells their papers they will search and they will find someone to tell a story on them. The truth is secondary to the headline.
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The truth has been secondary to the headlines for quite a while now BB to be honest.
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I mentioned recently on another thread that there are certain posters who will never critisie Johnson - but will attack and attempt to obfuscate with anyone who does. Always good to have that confirmed.
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'We believed it was a work meeting'
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I’m quite confident bojo will step aside over this at a time that is convenient for him and his party.
Leadership contest to open up.
Priti patel
Liz Truss
Rishi Sunak all to feature strongly no doubt.
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I mentioned recently on another thread that there are certain posters who will never critisie Johnson - but will attack and attempt to obfuscate with anyone who does. Always good to have that confirmed.
Funny you should say that Wilts, because there are certain posters who will always criticise Johnson - but will attack and attempt to obfuscate with anyone who doesn't.
Always good to have that confirmed.
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Then I suggest you are naive, TT. The British press like to debase anyone they can in any walk of life, from politics to sport, the more honest and decent the person the better. If it sells their papers they will search and they will find someone to tell a story on them. The truth is secondary to the headline.
If you think the truth is secondary to the headline where Johnson is concerned then you're even more deluded than I thought you were.
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TT. It's not only a case of whether a headline is true or not, it is a case of whether the reader wants to believe it is true or not.
In your case, I'd say anything negative said about Boris is true, and anything positive said about him is lies.
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NR.
There isn't a chance in a million Johnson will step aside. He's way too much of an egotist to even consider volunteering to step down. He will have to be told to go, either by the electorate or by the 1922 Committee.
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It's just brazen, he's simply taking the piss.
And the Police, saying they can't investigate a party they were guarding. It's beyond belief.
Do you honestly believe the police have a say over this.?
Just consider who their ultimate boss is.
She sits in the cabinet. Next to bojo.
If you don’t consider that talks between high level Home Office staff and the Met Police Chief Officer Group don’t take place about what to do, or more importantly what not to do, then might I suggest a re think.
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BB
Post a list of Johnson's attributes and I'll glady rip them apart.
He's a liar and in the words of Eddie Mair, a nasty piece of work.
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Here's the bit that BB struggles with.
If the clouds are grey and I stick my hand out of the front door and it gets wet, I conclude that it is probably raining.
If BB insists on not looking at the sky or putting his hand out the door, and just says it isn't raining and anyone who says it is is biassed against blue skies, that isn't providing a balanced counter argument.
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It's just brazen, he's simply taking the piss.
And the Police, saying they can't investigate a party they were guarding. It's beyond belief.
Do you honestly believe the police have a say over this.?
Just consider who their ultimate boss is.
She sits in the cabinet. Next to bojo.
If you don’t consider that talks between high level Home Office staff and the Met Police Chief Officer Group don’t take place about what to do, or more importantly what not to do, then might I suggest a re think.
What could the police do if they did investigate anyway, other than taking proceedings resulting in fines? The courts could hardly sack Boris!
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One bit of light in his pathetic " excuse " for some of you ... and which the smart a**e volunteered MIGHT just be his undoing
I arrived at 6 and left at 6.25 and went back to work. He didn't have to say that and it would be great if he had finally downed himself with a provable lie
Come on the mole. Show us the photos with long shadows and Pinocchio and Carrie Antoinette still clearly in shot
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It's just brazen, he's simply taking the piss.
And the Police, saying they can't investigate a party they were guarding. It's beyond belief.
Do you honestly believe the police have a say over this.?
Just consider who their ultimate boss is.
She sits in the cabinet. Next to bojo.
If you don’t consider that talks between high level Home Office staff and the Met Police Chief Officer Group don’t take place about what to do, or more importantly what not to do, then might I suggest a re think.
What could the police do if they did investigate anyway, other than taking proceedings resulting in fines? The courts could hardly sack Boris!
Are you being serious in asking that question?
Don't you see the historic implication of a sitting PM being found to have committed a criminal act?
And what about the implication of what you are saying? That the police investigation isn't important because...meh.
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Here's the bit that BB struggles with.
If the clouds are grey and I stick my hand out of the front door and it gets wet, I conclude that it is probably raining.
If BB insists on not looking at the sky or putting his hand out the door, and just says it isn't raining and anyone who says it is is biassed against blue skies, that isn't providing a balanced counter argument.
Not quite right BST. I look out of the window and see the weather for myself. You read the Guardian with the curtains closed and look at the forecast.
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Remind me. What was the last time I based any argument on a Guardian politics news story BB.
(Hint. This is where you apologise and save a bit of face if you have any self-respect.)
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I was using the Guardian as an example of the sort of lefty bullshit propaganda rag you splurge out on here all the time.
Just looked out the window as I wrote that, is that a snowflake in the distance?
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Go on.
Give me a recent example of me splurging stuff from lefty propaganda rags.
Or apologise and bow out. I know what I'd recommend you to do.
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The stuff you get from lefty propaganda rags is boring and predictable enough to read the first time around without me going back to it.
Tell you what though, seeing as I'm a decent type of guy I'll meet you halfway. I'll give you a knock the next time I see an example of it in a future post.
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I wonder if Carrie will lie for him when he press get to her?
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The stuff you get from lefty propaganda rags is boring and predictable enough to read the first time around without me going back to it.
Tell you what though, seeing as I'm a decent type of guy I'll meet you halfway. I'll give you a knock the next time I see an example of it in a future post.
Utterly embarrassing. You're well matched with the PM you refuse the criticise.
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Does anyone remember how I, and others who had a similar opinion were very recently (and incorrectly) accused of bullying? Exactly the same thing is happening here. Thankfully, and to his credit, Billy dismissed it and I imagine Bentley will do the same.
But this is where we are on here now (and before Filo pipes up, I accept my part in all that, although I’m really trying now).
Bentley, or anyone else has the right to defend whoever they like, or to say as much or as little as they like about anything.
Some people do still believe in Johnson and the government whether the haters like it or not.
The amount of responses and attacks because of preconceived assumptions is scary. Tommy thinks I’m a right wing nasty piece of work. He’s way off the mark on both counts, but him saying it made me question why he thinks that. The spat we had was absolutely six and two threes, but I was the nasty one. So I have to take some responsibility for the way in which Tommy, Billy et al view who I appear to be, to them.
But anyway, I continue to offer the olive branch of peace and mutual respect to everyone.
f**k me, I don’t know where that came from, I haven’t even had a drink.
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So what's the lesson, if any, don't talk gibberish be honest?
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Does anyone remember how I, and others who had a similar opinion were very recently (and incorrectly) accused of bullying? Exactly the same thing is happening here. Thankfully, and to his credit, Billy dismissed it and I imagine Bentley will do the same.
But this is where we are on here now (and before Filo pipes up, I accept my part in all that, although I’m really trying now).
Bentley, or anyone else has the right to defend whoever they like, or to say as much or as little as they like about anything.
Some people do still believe in Johnson and the government whether the haters like it or not.
The amount of responses and attacks because of preconceived assumptions is scary. Tommy thinks I’m a right wing nasty piece of work. He’s way off the mark on both counts, but him saying it made me question why he thinks that. The spat we had was absolutely six and two threes, but I was the nasty one. So I have to take some responsibility for the way in which Tommy, Billy et al view who I appear to be, to them.
But anyway, I continue to offer the olive branch of peace and mutual respect to everyone.
f**k me, I don’t know where that came from, I haven’t even had a drink.
It's the Kieran Agard signing.
Green shoots and all that.
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Does anyone remember how I, and others who had a similar opinion were very recently (and incorrectly) accused of bullying? Exactly the same thing is happening here. Thankfully, and to his credit, Billy dismissed it and I imagine Bentley will do the same.
But this is where we are on here now (and before Filo pipes up, I accept my part in all that, although I’m really trying now).
Bentley, or anyone else has the right to defend whoever they like, or to say as much or as little as they like about anything.
Some people do still believe in Johnson and the government whether the haters like it or not.
The amount of responses and attacks because of preconceived assumptions is scary. Tommy thinks I’m a right wing nasty piece of work. He’s way off the mark on both counts, but him saying it made me question why he thinks that. The spat we had was absolutely six and two threes, but I was the nasty one. So I have to take some responsibility for the way in which Tommy, Billy et al view who I appear to be, to them.
But anyway, I continue to offer the olive branch of peace and mutual respect to everyone.
f**k me, I don’t know where that came from, I haven’t even had a drink.
It's the Kieran Agard signing.
Green shoots and all that.
Maybe so.
‘Green shoots’ - I’ve missed that commentary.
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Belton
I was having a reasoned argument with you about making assumptions.
I was quite clear in the presentation of my argument, which you completely ignored and stonewalled and then accused me of making less and less sense.
You were only interested in goading me.
It was obvious, which was why I withdrew.
You seem to revel in goading people, just for the sake of it, which is why, though you need to ask him, BST ignores you.
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Does anyone remember how I, and others who had a similar opinion were very recently (and incorrectly) accused of bullying? Exactly the same thing is happening here. Thankfully, and to his credit, Billy dismissed it and I imagine Bentley will do the same.
But this is where we are on here now (and before Filo pipes up, I accept my part in all that, although I’m really trying now).
Bentley, or anyone else has the right to defend whoever they like, or to say as much or as little as they like about anything.
Some people do still believe in Johnson and the government whether the haters like it or not.
The amount of responses and attacks because of preconceived assumptions is scary. Tommy thinks I’m a right wing nasty piece of work. He’s way off the mark on both counts, but him saying it made me question why he thinks that. The spat we had was absolutely six and two threes, but I was the nasty one. So I have to take some responsibility for the way in which Tommy, Billy et al view who I appear to be, to them.
But anyway, I continue to offer the olive branch of peace and mutual respect to everyone.
f**k me, I don’t know where that came from, I haven’t even had a drink.
Aother good post Belton - after this and tackling homophobes at the match it wont be long before you start getting a rep as a woke lefty snowflake.
I did think about replying to Bentley Bullets accusations about me a few posts back with examples of the several times I have praised Johnson over his environmental stances and policies - which I have always admired and been impressed by - but not for very long. Its a waste of time arguing with a bigoted troll
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Belton
I was having a reasoned argument with you about making assumptions.
I was quite clear in the presentation of my argument, which you completely ignored and stonewalled and then accused me of making less and less sense.
You were only interested in goading me.
It was obvious, which was why I withdrew.
You seem to revel in goading people, just for the sake of it, which is why, though you need to ask him, BST ignores you.
Tommy, I won’t get into another spat with you. But, if anyone looked at our exchange with complete impartiality, they would see two posters being as bad as each other.
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OK Belton
Maybe you're right. It's hard to be objective from a polar opposite stance I'll admit.
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''Raab says he expects Johnson to continue in office 'for many years to come'''
That's it then johnson's a gonner
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Troll and WUM. Two other things I’ve been accused of.
WUM is an interesting one. Since when did winding someone up become such a hideous crime?
Billy once said something along the lines of wishing this forum could be like an evening in Rosso Miner’s welfare back in the ‘80s. How much winding up do you think went on in places like that. Why is taking the piss suddenly offensive and shameful?
It should be funny. And if someone goes too far, they should be told, and tek it on ‘t chin.
As for trolling - that doesn’t happen on here, not really. But any slight resemblance of trolling comes in equal measures from both ‘sides’.
Reading those early pages really did have an effect on me and I genuinely hope we can continue to debate and discuss and argue, but more importantly, have a bloody laugh.
I’ve been at work recently and been cross about something that was said on here the night before. That is so, so wrong.
Never again.
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Does anyone remember how I, and others who had a similar opinion were very recently (and incorrectly) accused of bullying? Exactly the same thing is happening here. Thankfully, and to his credit, Billy dismissed it and I imagine Bentley will do the same.
But this is where we are on here now (and before Filo pipes up, I accept my part in all that, although I’m really trying now).
Bentley, or anyone else has the right to defend whoever they like, or to say as much or as little as they like about anything.
Some people do still believe in Johnson and the government whether the haters like it or not.
The amount of responses and attacks because of preconceived assumptions is scary. Tommy thinks I’m a right wing nasty piece of work. He’s way off the mark on both counts, but him saying it made me question why he thinks that. The spat we had was absolutely six and two threes, but I was the nasty one. So I have to take some responsibility for the way in which Tommy, Billy et al view who I appear to be, to them.
But anyway, I continue to offer the olive branch of peace and mutual respect to everyone.
f**k me, I don’t know where that came from, I haven’t even had a drink.
Aother good post Belton - after this and tackling homophobes at the match it wont be long before you start getting a rep as a woke lefty snowflake.
I did think about replying to Bentley Bullets accusations about me a few posts back with examples of the several times I have praised Johnson over his environmental stances and policies - which I have always admired and been impressed by - but not for very long. Its a waste of time arguing with a bigoted troll
I must have missed those several examples of praising Johnson, Wilts. Any chance of reposting them?
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''One former minister was even less convinced, saying Johnson “didn’t apologise for what he did but for things that may or may not have happened which he officially knows nothing about until Sue Gray tells him about it”. Another MP said: “I’ve not seen such a half-arsed apology since my child apologised for spilling all the milk.”
People can be so cruel
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Johnson looked to me a dead man walking and someone who knows the games up .
Just a case of the plotting and this , that and the other to produce a candidate to take him on in a Tory leadership contest .
They'll be plenty going off inside the oak panelled rooms despite the posture and show of support in some quarters .
It's just a question of when Johnson goes rather than if .
It's inconceivable he'll still be around come the next election .
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Boris Johnson the privileged, private school educated class clown whose never been able to grow up.
Spent his entire life on the cusp or just over it in terms of breaking the rules but getting away with it due to who he is and his ability to cover with a joke or false act of baffled stupidity.
Now, wholly to type, breaking his own rules or on the cusp of doing so on a regular basis.
I think the Great British public's patience with his antics are starting to wear very thin.
The Conservative Party are masters of ensuring their re-electability - they won't put up with him for much longer at this rate.
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If he's going, then who's next?
My vote goes to Jacob Rees-Mogg, for 3 reasons:-
Those Corn Laws need repealing.
He's promised to find a cure for rickets.
He's vowed to sort out those pesky Colonials for the shenanigans in Boston Harbour.
Vote Mogg. Keep those Whigs out!
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LK now tweeting that The Clown is telling MP's it's not his fault and he's taking the blame to protect others!
Thee Independant reporting that staff at No10 have been advised to clear their phones of any ipotentially incriminating evidence
Priti Pathetic who threatened to report any of her neighbours for partying during lockdown is now defending the PM, you couldn't make it up!
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So let's sum up then. Johnson at his most Johnsonesque today.
1) Apologises profusely.
2) Immediately then says there were no rules broken and it was all OK.
3) But still apologises if anyone was offended.
4) But it wasn't his doing and he thought it was OK. And he was only there for a bit anyway.
5) But he takes full responsibility for what happened.
6) Although that doesn't mean there'll be any penalty on him.
7) Then in private he tells Tory MPs he's taking the rap for his bas**rd officials who are really to blame.
The classic actions of the coward. Telling every audience what he thinks they want to hear, to save his own pathetic skin.
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You know what really galls me, & it may seem petty but it has done since this git became Prime Minister.
When ‘his office’ is finally over (hopefully sooner rather than later), he will have his photo up the stairwell of Downing Street along with the ‘great & the good’ for all time as having been The Prime Minister of Great Britain.
And you know what, I think that’s all he ever wanted because whether he’s ‘hounded out of office’ or not he can always turn round & say “Ah yes, I have held the greatest office of state….as did Churchill”. He NEVER wanted ‘the job’, he wanted ‘the title’ & all that would bring him & his ever increasing family for evermore.
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Ah yes but the title will always be one of the worst if not the worst.
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
yes that's true
he lives in No.11 (see one of my earlier posts No.11 is much larger and more family orientated) other P.M's have lived at No.11
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Johnson repeatedly said in Parliament that there had been no parties in No10.
He categorically lied to Parliament.
That is a stone cold resigning issue.
yes that's true
he lives in No.11 (see one of my earlier posts No.11 is much larger and more family orientated) other P.M's have lived at No.11
In that case, what was him and is girlfriend doing trespassing in next doors garden, and why didn’t he grass his neighbours up like Patel was suggesting at the time
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Reese Smog talks gibberish and some headlines on LK twitter feed
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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There's a real lesson here about how weak our systems are.
The parties are being investigated by a civil servant who has no power to implement her recommendations.
If her report points the finger at Johnson, it then goes to the Standards adviser who advises Johnson what to do.
You might recall a previous Standards adviser told Johnson that Patel had bullied staff, leading one to resign and another to attempt suicide. Johnson ignored that and said Patel wasn't a bully.
The adviser resigned in protest.
Johnson appointed another adviser, Lord Geidt who investigated the payment for Johnson's missus's wallpaper.
Geidt found Johnson in the clear on that.
It later turned out that Johnson had lied to Geidt.
Geidt investigated again and said it didn't matter, Johnson was still in the clear.
It is this very same Geidt who will advise Johnson what to do when the parties report is published.
Whatever Geidt advises, Johnson can ignore it.
Now you see why they are kicking the can down the road and saying we should wait to see what the parties report says.
The one and only way Johnson can be removed is if Tory MPs decide he is a liability and turf him out.
The only reason they will do that is if public opinion is sufficiently incensed.
So anyone who doesn't express their revulsion at what Johnson has done is effectively saying "On you go mate. You lie as much as you want. You apply your own standards to yourself while the rest of us do the right thing. No bother."
Your call. If you accept what he is doing and don't express your feelings against it, you are responsible for this man doing what he wants and getting away with it.
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On which note, the Tories are down to 28% in a poll tonight. They've only been lower than this once since Johnson took power.
Labour are 10% ahead. There's only been 1 poll in the last 8 years that had Labour further ahead than this, and it was that sort of polling that spooked Cameron into pledging the Brexit referendum.
The backwoodsmen will be getting twitchy.
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Sunak shows support by being almost out of England rather than being by his masters side.
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Here's someone similar, totally un-pc, full of wind and meets a premature end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fahf77qzEnE
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So will Boris still be PM on July 1st 2022 as near as dam it according to the bookmakers
its even money he either is in office or out
A fairy tale ending we might think (as in GRIM)
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This really couldn't be made up.
They are finally wheeling out the cabinet ministers to support Johnson. Guess what the party line is that they are all parroting.
"He went to a work event to thank his staff but with hindsight he realises people might be offended."
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This really couldn't be made up.
They are finally wheeling out the cabinet ministers to support Johnson. Guess what the party line is that they are all parroting.
"He went to a work event to thank his staff but with hindsight he realises people might be offended."
Captain Hindsight eh? Lol!
“Dame” Sue Grey will exonerate him
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Criticising oneself in hindsight is completely different to criticising someone else to gain smarty points.
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You do wonder what it would take to get BB to criticise Johnson.
I reckon he'd still be a fanboy if Johnson played up front for Rotherham and scored 50 a season.
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they both speak the same language
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I’m typing this through gritted teeth because I hated the Woman, but give me Thatcher over the current PM everyday of the week
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BST. FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE WILL YOU RESPOND TO THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF A POST?
Now, what part of my last post do you disagree with?
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How unlucky can this man get, the last time he was in trouble Carrie dropped the baby and he had to go on paternity leave so unable to answer questions and face the consequences.
Today it's announced that a close member of his family has tested positive for Covid which makes him unable to carry out his duties or be available for face to face contact as he now has to limit his contact with other people
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Not as unlucky as Starmer though!
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But more convenient than Starmer’s self isolation.
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Not as unlucky as Starmer though!
Anybody game enough to bet on johnson still in #10 in 6 weeks?
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I just looked up what all johnson's kids names were but the file was too big to download.
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Well, it looks like your leader is conveniently unavailable to respond to my post.
I'll call back later.
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Article in the Guardian saying 'more to come from cummings' seat belts on!
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How unlucky can this man get, the last time he was in trouble Carrie dropped the baby and he had to go on paternity leave so unable to answer questions and face the consequences.
Today it's announced that a close member of his family has tested positive for Covid which makes him unable to carry out his duties or be available for face to face contact as he now has to limit his contact with other people
It's OK, he can still have parties!
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So will Boris still be PM on July 1st 2022 as near as dam it according to the bookmakers
its even money he either is in office or out
A fairy tale ending we might think (as in GRIM)
There's local elections between then and now so that could have a big bearing on him if he's still PM at the time.
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How unlucky can this man get, the last time he was in trouble Carrie dropped the baby and he had to go on paternity leave so unable to answer questions and face the consequences.
Today it's announced that a close member of his family has tested positive for Covid which makes him unable to carry out his duties or be available for face to face contact as he now has to limit his contact with other people
What are the latest rules on contacts and isolation?
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If you're fully vaccinated, you don't need to self-isolate just because someone you live with has COVID.
However, there is another rule that if you are a lying man-child coward, facing difficult questions, you are allowed to climb into an industrial freezer to hide.
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Ah, THAT'S where you've been!
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Keep fishing BB. I'm not going down another rabbit hole with you. Feel free to go as far down as you wish.
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Keep fishing BB. I'm not going down another rabbit hole with you. Feel free to go as far down as you wish.
BST, please please please, ignore him and hopefully he'll go away and folks can then have sensible discussions about something that is very important to the country as a whole!
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Keep fishing BB. I'm not going down another rabbit hole with you. Feel free to go as far down as you wish.
And here's me thinking it was you fishing! You and your mates can't be wrong though, can they BST, even if they looked back at today's evidence on this thread and witnessed the truth themselves they wouldn't admit it, would they?
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Sent an email to my Tory MP today telling him I was outraged at Boris Johnson having a Downing Street Garden Party whilst the rest of the country was in lockdown.
The fact that he’d broken the rules that his government had set out which were being policed by officers patrolling parks & other recreational areas to ensure people were meeting with only one member of another household, while in the meantime he was at a party where 100 other people had been invited I found outrageous.
I told him about the personal sacrifice I had made that day in not being able to be with my aged mother who died soon after.
I told him that because of that, every time I saw Boris Johnson’s image it brought back the sad memories of that day.
I told him that the vast majority of the British people felt let down, lied to, laughed at & ridiculed by his actions & therefore the only option left to the Prime Minister was to resign.
I said that of course I didn’t believe he would ever be man enough to take that course of action & so, as a staunch Conservative voter for over 40 years ( it’s not only Boris who can tell porkies) I could not bring myself to put an X on my ballot paper next to a Conservative candidate in ANY election until Boris Johnson’s ‘removal’.
I then said three Hail Mary’s (I’m an atheist), finished my mug of tea, had a s**te & felt all the better for it.
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This is astonishing. And it's really starting to look like an Establishment cover up.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1481678636096892929
The Met are relying on Sue Gray's investigation to tell them whether they need to investigate.
They will only investigate if evidence of a breach of the regulations is found!
Johnson admitted he broke the f**king regulations in Parliament yesterday!
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You can go back to 1984 and discover that they were the paramilitary arm of a Tory Govt
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What an abject coward johnson is, he has form for running away for self preservation and he likens himself to Churchill.
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Not another one!
No10 staff had 'boozy'party the night before Prince Phillip's funeral - at which of course the Queen sat om her following the rules at the time
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/13/two-parties-held-downing-street-queen-country-mourned-death/
Paywall taken off - story is currently free to read
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I can see the plan.
If the number of parties that Sue Gray has to report on keeps growing like this, she'll not have finished her investigation before the heat death of the Universe. Johnson stays in No10!
Genius!
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Very interesting that the government are referring to the work of Sue Grey as an "Independent Inquiry"........it is neither!
It is an internal report, commissioned by the PM, reporting to the PM and the senior civil servant.
It is within the power of the PM to disregard it, if he so wishes.
An Inquiry is a completely different process, not involved here.
"Independent" would not be conducted by in-house staff.
Most likely is that a redacted summary of findings will be released, rather than the full report.
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2 leaving parties on the night of 16/04/2020 at #10 when deaths were averaging around 840/day, but nothing to see here apparently.
''Staff inside Downing Street held two staff leaving events featuring alcohol, and one with loud music, on the evening before Prince Philip’s funeral in April last year, when such social contact remained banned, according to new allegations reported on Thursday.
Eyewitnesses told the Daily Telegraph that a combined total of about 30 people took part in what appeared to be social events in different parts of Downing Street, before both gatherings combined in the garden.
According to one attender, a staff member was sent with a suitcase to the Co-op on the Strand, a short walk away, returning with the case filled with bottles of wine''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/13/two-downing-street-parties-held-evening-before-prince-philips-funeral-reports
A name change to 'Tramp' is being considered.
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Very interesting that the government are referring to the work of Sue Grey as an "Independent Inquiry"........it is neither!
It is an internal report, commissioned by the PM, reporting to the PM and the senior civil servant.
It is within the power of the PM to disregard it, if he so wishes.
An Inquiry is a completely different process, not involved here.
"Independent" would not be conducted by in-house staff.
Most likely is that a redacted summary of findings will be released, rather than the full report.
... as indeed he did with Patel's "bullying" Report [disregard it that is]. He said nothing to see here we have moved on, matter closed
The minions all popped out with their " supportive Tweets" and their TV Interviews supporting Patel
Meanwhile the Independent compiler of the Report resigned after his report was ignored and Taxpayers coughed up a 6 figure sum [cant remember the exact amount ] was given to the "bullied" person for something like "wrongful dismissal"
So when Sue Gray finally gets the Report in I wont be holding my breath
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I can see the plan.
If the number of parties that Sue Gray has to report on keeps growing like this, she'll not have finished her investigation before the heat death of the Universe. Johnson stays in No10!
Genius!
Johnson will be gone soon.
Plenty turning on him now.
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Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.
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Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.
Un-f**king-believable!
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Nice to see Gray’s report findings leaked to the Press today.
She will conclude ‘ No criminality occurred’.
I’m sure the spineless Met Police will take that as the end of the matter.
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Woman from Manchester on the radio this morning.
"I've got no time for politicians. All of them. They're all as bad as each other. I mean. They're all having all these parties in London."
She'd fit in well with some folk in here.
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Woman from Manchester on the radio this morning.
"I've got no time for politicians. All of them. They're all as bad as each other. I mean. They're all having all these parties in London."
She'd fit in well with some folk in here.
My hero
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Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.
Have you forgotten everything about the last 2 years already pud?
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Nice to see Gray’s report findings leaked to the Press today.
She will conclude ‘ No criminality occurred’.
I’m sure the spineless Met Police will take that as the end of the matter.
50 charades of Gray.
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Nice to see Gray’s report findings leaked to the Press today.
She will conclude ‘ No criminality occurred’.
I’m sure the spineless Met Police will take that as the end of the matter.
So when will the march on Downing Street happen?
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Nice to see Gray’s report findings leaked to the Press today.
She will conclude ‘ No criminality occurred’.
I’m sure the spineless Met Police will take that as the end of the matter.
So when will the march on Downing Street happen?
It won't the natives are busy getting wound up over midget gems apparently
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Watched QT last night and even Isabel Oakshott was saying he should resign now.
If the likes of her have turned on him, it must be the end of the road.
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Once the 1922 committee have 54 letters (15%) from Tory MPs wanting him out, there will be a leadership process invoked. It’s just a matter of time. With more revelations, will come more dissent. He is on the slippery slope now.
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Once the 1922 committee have 54 letters (15%) from Tory MPs wanting him out, there will be a leadership process invoked. It’s just a matter of time. With more revelations, will come more dissent. He is on the slippery slope now.
Young Wilfred will be conducting an independent enquiry into wether the 1922 Committee is fit for purpose
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They were holding a disco on the eve of the Duke of Edinburgh s funeral.
I remember the BBC cancelled Pete Tong and all the dance music because it wasn't thought appropriate.
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But they're all the same RD. You wait. There'll be stories about Keir Starmer running party nights.
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And there's Rees-Mogg last night trying to defend it by saying the rules were perhaps too harsh.
Unbelievable
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I and half the forum were invited to an evening of food, booze and frivolity at bb's, unfortunately I was otherwise engaged.
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The Conservative Party has a whole new meaning now.
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The tories have pretty much sold themselves for pieces of silver putting jonson at the top of their slag heap, much like the republicans investing in trump.
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There are no excuses this absolute disaster was predictable and avoidable and shows that the tory party put themselves light years in front of the the British people. If you have any doubts read this.
I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister
Max Hastings
''Six years ago, the Cambridge historian Christopher Clark published a study of the outbreak of the first world war, titled The Sleepwalkers. Though Clark is a fine scholar, I was unconvinced by his title, which suggested that the great powers stumbled mindlessly to disaster. On the contrary, the maddest aspect of 1914 was that each belligerent government convinced itself that it was acting rationally''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
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I remember reading that at the time Sydney.
Reading it now it really has come to pass.
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Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.
Un-f**king-believable!
Sorry but it's slightly harsh to fully blame him for something that happened when he wasn't even in the same county. As I said though he allowed the precedent and his team to behave that way so as the leader is at fault for not preventing it at the start.
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Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.
Un-f**king-believable!
Sorry but it's slightly harsh to fully blame him for something that happened when he wasn't even in the same county. As I said though he allowed the precedent and his team to behave that way so as the leader is at fault for not preventing it at the start.
fmd pud, are you seriously suggesting the just because johnson is out to lunch the rest of the shower can engage in dangerous and criminal behaviour, aren't they supposed to be the law and order party?
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And there's Rees-Mogg last night trying to defend it by saying the rules were perhaps too harsh.
Unbelievable
I predicted this 18 months ago from TLO Rees-Mogg.
Start by saying the science is driving policy. Then when hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved, switch to, "Well it was too harsh but the scientists are to blame."
What do you expect from the son of the author of The Sovereign Individual. Worth a read if you want to understand how the true Elite operates these days.
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now
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Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.
Un-f**king-believable!
Sorry but it's slightly harsh to fully blame him for something that happened when he wasn't even in the same county. As I said though he allowed the precedent and his team to behave that way so as the leader is at fault for not preventing it at the start.
fmd pud, are you seriously suggesting the just because johnson is out to lunch the rest of the shower can engage in dangerous and criminal behaviour, aren't they supposed to be the law and order party?
There is no law and order in this country anymore, unless you go to football matches.
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Downing Street apologises to the Queen, (not Johnson), the Queen should dissolve Parliament and dismiss her Govt for gross misconduct
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now
Who actually has a say in who the next leader is Tory MPs or The Tory masses? If it includes the Tory masses well "it's only Boris being Boris" if it's just down to MPs particularly the red wall elected MPs might be a different matter
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now
Who actually has a say in who the next leader is Tory MPs or The Tory masses? If it includes the Tory masses well "it's only Boris being Boris" if it's just down to MPs particularly the red wall elected MPs might be a different matter
Tory MPs decide which two candidates to put to a vote of Tory Party members.
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now
Who actually has a say in who the next leader is Tory MPs or The Tory masses? If it includes the Tory masses well "it's only Boris being Boris" if it's just down to MPs particularly the red wall elected MPs might be a different matter
Tory MPs decide which two candidates to put to a vote of Tory Party members.
So that's Boris turfed out in the early rounds then.
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If Johnson gets to the last 2 he's a shoe-in
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Queen gets to decide
Seriously I would not dare visit Buck House again if I were him
But Pinocchio isn't short of "front" even if he's long in the nose Dept
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Not a massive incident in the grand scheme of things, but have you noticed the same people who failed to spot a Chinese spy in Parliament for five years allowed a large suitcase full of illicit booze to be wheeled into Downing Street.
No wonder they failed to stop the Manchester Arena bomber or the Fishmonger's Hall attack.
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Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.
Un-f**king-believable!
Sorry but it's slightly harsh to fully blame him for something that happened when he wasn't even in the same county. As I said though he allowed the precedent and his team to behave that way so as the leader is at fault for not preventing it at the start.
Anyone know what the rules were on travelling to your weekend holiday home at this time?
I thought no holidays were permitted, travel was essential purposes only and you should stay at your main place of residence unless absolutely necessary?
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I think this is defiantly the angriest I've seen this country since possibly 1989 / 90 and the Poll Tax period .
When young lads at work who have about as much interest in politics as I have about synchronised swimming are angry then you know it's bad .
What's really fascinating is to see the Tories trying to rally round making themselves look more ridiculous by the hour .
The truth is they don't know what the feck to do .
The lack of a true contender to Bunter is really coming home to roost right now .
The ERG have captured the Tory Party pretty much lock , stock and two smoking barrels , there is no safe pair of hands lined up in the wing , they've all got previous .
I don't think kicking Bunter out of the door and he takes the problem away will work this time for the Tories .
Keeping him in the job could result in an election defeat of 97 proportions .
They are proper screwed this time in my opinion .
The most laughable part is Starmer has a 10 point lead on account of doing absolutely nothing .
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Heard a quote on the radio today that said that it was about time a grown up was put in charge of the country.
Thought it summed up Bozo perfectly.
Pointing out the immature, childish attitude Bozo seems to have about just about everything. Grinning, smirking and joking about serious issues.
The bloke is a total f**kwit.
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Heard a quote on the radio today that said that it was about time a grown up was put in charge of the country.
Thought it summed up Bozo perfectly.
Pointing out the immature, childish attitude Bozo seems to have about just about everything. Grinning, smirking and joking about serious issues.
The bloke is a total f**kwit.
the thing is CDH he's never been any different has he? with this maniacal want to build memorials to himself, cable cars across London, garden bridge, tunnels and bridges to Ireland, royal yacht, all design to make him a hero with other peoples money. Everyone knew exactly what they were getting.
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Heard a quote on the radio today that said that it was about time a grown up was put in charge of the country.
Thought it summed up Bozo perfectly.
Pointing out the immature, childish attitude Bozo seems to have about just about everything. Grinning, smirking and joking about serious issues.
The bloke is a total f**kwit.
the thing is CDH he's never been any different has he? with this maniacal want to build memorials to himself, cable cars across London, garden bridge, tunnels and bridges to Ireland, royal yacht, all design to make him a hero with other peoples money. Everyone knew exactly what they were getting.
I guess so Sydney. More fool them.
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now
Having watched the news a couple of times this week it seems to me that a lot of people don’t watch the news at all, never read a newspaper and certainly never read a third division football forum because when the tv interviewer asked random people in the street whether they would vote conservative again a significant amount of them said that they would do.
Some even said that they thought Boris is ok and was doing his best.
This is not my opinion by the way so my usual detractors need not bother piling in.
I am simply offering some information to suggest why things are as they are in politics.
To be honest, if I didn’t contribute to this forum I would probably not know about the majority of the off topic stuff that seems to dominate the lives of some people on here.
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The most laughable part is Starmer has a 10 point lead on account of doing absolutely nothing .
Folk really don't understand how politics works.
Opposition parties don't ever, ever, ever beat parties in Govt by making the weather. Ruling parties lose by f**king up. Always
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The most laughable part is Starmer has a 10 point lead on account of doing absolutely nothing .
Folk really don't understand how politics works.
Opposition parties don't ever, ever, ever beat parties in Govt by making the weather. Ruling parties lose by f**king up. Always
True. You'd think they'd learn though from others (and their) previous mistakes.
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Newest btanch of Wetherspoons
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With respect RR, it's more like Octoberfest the whole year round.
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The local Co Op is now laying off staff in the wine department.
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I think it probably is true that a great many people don't take any interest in the news whatsoever. My sister is one.
In the past when there weren't so many TV channels, people were probably more inclined to sit through the news before Corra came on or whatever. Nowadays, it's all on demand. Watch what you want.
If you're not bothered about the news, it's easier to avoid.
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Thanks to Brexit, we are no longer having to buy wine by the litre, we Brits can now buy wine by the suitcase again. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Ms Lagarde!
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I guess the next expose' will be that tax payers paid for the booze that fuelled all these illegal gatherings.
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Pensions minister:
''Mr Opperman says Boris Johnson's behaviour has been "unacceptable" and he needs to change and get better people around him. But said he should continue in post, and Sue Gray allowed to complete her report into Downing Street parties''
No influence peddling there then?
https://twitter.com/ionewells/status/1482068454165430272?cxt=HHwWgIC-9YParpEpAAAA
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The Mirror is reporting that every Friday at 4pm was 'Wine time Friday' and they have pictures of a wine cooler fridge being delivered and installed at no 10.
Apparently Boris would often pop in to chat. He was well aware of it and encouraged it.
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The Mirror is reporting that every Friday at 4pm was 'Wine time Friday' and they have pictures of a wine cooler fridge being delivered and installed at no 10.
Apparently Boris would often pop in to chat. He was well aware of it and encouraged it.
Which is fine .... unless there is a pandemic with thousands dying ...... sometimes daily, oh yeah they're all the same .........
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Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on Newsnight last night? He kept on repeating that the PM 'had apologised for what happened'. His determination to keep on repeating the same phrase made me realise what he wasn't saying...that the PM had not - in any way - apologised for his actions.
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Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.
Un-f**king-believable!
Sorry but it's slightly harsh to fully blame him for something that happened when he wasn't even in the same county. As I said though he allowed the precedent and his team to behave that way so as the leader is at fault for not preventing it at the start.
Anyone know what the rules were on travelling to your weekend holiday home at this time?
I thought no holidays were permitted, travel was essential purposes only and you should stay at your main place of residence unless absolutely necessary?
Just been reminded that this is why the Scottish CMO was forced to resign - non-essential travel to a second home.
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Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on Newsnight last night? He kept on repeating that the PM 'had apologised for what happened'. His determination to keep on repeating the same phrase made me realise what he wasn't saying...that the PM had not - in any way - apologised for his actions.
He has not, most definitely, apologised for any personal action
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On Twitter “the number of Downing Street parties is doubling every 4-5 days according to ONS” haha
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Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on Newsnight last night? He kept on repeating that the PM 'had apologised for what happened'. His determination to keep on repeating the same phrase made me realise what he wasn't saying...that the PM had not - in any way - apologised for his actions.
He has not, most definitely, apologised for any personal action
He's apologised for his personal lack of action.
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On Twitter “the number of Downing Street parties is doubling every 4-5 days according to ONS” haha
Genius!
One thing about this scandal has made me reconsider my opinion of Johnson's team. I'm now accepting they could organise a piss up in a brewery.
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So could Keir Starmer if he could actually get in one without being told to f**k off.
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There's BB unable to get over his political bias again.
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Now that did make me laugh! See, you can be funny.
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We'll THIS is awkward.
All those questions about why the Met, which definitively MUST have known about the No10 knees ups, didn't ever take action.
Guess who was in charge of Met COVID policing at the time.
This bloke.
https://archive.md/zojrv
Sajid Javid's brother.
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I genuinely believe the Queen should use Royal prerogative and dissolve Parliament, she herself has been Lied to by these immoral bas**rds
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Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on Newsnight last night? He kept on repeating that the PM 'had apologised for what happened'. His determination to keep on repeating the same phrase made me realise what he wasn't saying...that the PM had not - in any way - apologised for his actions.
He has not, most definitely, apologised for any personal action
He's apologised for his personal lack of action.
No he didn't, he said he should have done something but didn't apologise for not doing it.
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Yes he did.
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Starmer didn't apologise for his "drinks at work event" is that ok?
There's a big difference between the afternoon drinks in the workplace and organising parties.
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now
Having watched the news a couple of times this week it seems to me that a lot of people don’t watch the news at all, never read a newspaper and certainly never read a third division football forum because when the tv interviewer asked random people in the street whether they would vote conservative again a significant amount of them said that they would do.
Some even said that they thought Boris is ok and was doing his best.
This is not my opinion by the way so my usual detractors need not bother piling in.
I am simply offering some information to suggest why things are as they are in politics.
To be honest, if I didn’t contribute to this forum I would probably not know about the majority of the off topic stuff that seems to dominate the lives of some people on here.
It's all relative hound , there are people who couldn't contemplate not voting Tory no matter the state of the nation or their behaviour .
Even when they were annihilated in 1997 by Blair 9.6m still voted for them .
Same with Labour , Diane Abbott has held her London seat since the 1980's , never looked in any danger of losing it .
As you know I'm not a great fan of a centre Labour Party to say the least but I can't see the Tories coming back from this for a long time never mind the next two years and the run up to a GE .
The one thing you don't do is underestimate them but even factoring that in as I've thought about a lot I just can't see how they will win the next election .
Massively damaged the Tory Party , they've even managed to pyss off their wealthy staunch shires voters who love the royals .
The Queen sat on her own at her husband's funeral on the very day they were cracking open bottles of wine in Downing Street is an image that will take some stomaching for those voters .
The Libs have an excellent opportunity to cash in in those areas .
The Tory - Labour marginals will go to Labour in my opinion with the Red Wall returning .
Its not beyond comprehension that the Tories could be demoted to third place .
The only question in my opinion is how large the Labour victory will be with the possibility of a hung parliament with the Dems at worst .
I'd suggest if either of those scenarios come to fruition it represents an opportunity to put the Conservative Party out of business altogether .
Something which could have happened in 1997 when a deal with the Libs was talked about .
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Yes he did.
Please point out where he specifically apologises for any of his actions.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-apology-translated-legal-25929663
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Sue Grey, impartial or not;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580
From 2015, one of the old brigade, by the sound of it!
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now
Having watched the news a couple of times this week it seems to me that a lot of people don’t watch the news at all, never read a newspaper and certainly never read a third division football forum because when the tv interviewer asked random people in the street whether they would vote conservative again a significant amount of them said that they would do.
Some even said that they thought Boris is ok and was doing his best.
This is not my opinion by the way so my usual detractors need not bother piling in.
I am simply offering some information to suggest why things are as they are in politics.
To be honest, if I didn’t contribute to this forum I would probably not know about the majority of the off topic stuff that seems to dominate the lives of some people on here.
It's all relative hound , there are people who couldn't contemplate not voting Tory no matter the state of the nation or their behaviour .
Even when they were annihilated in 1997 by Blair 9.6m still voted for them .
Same with Labour , Diane Abbott has held her London seat since the 1980's , never looked in any danger of losing it .
As you know I'm not a great fan of a centre Labour Party to say the least but I can't see the Tories coming back from this for a long time never mind the next two years and the run up to a GE .
The one thing you don't do is underestimate them but even factoring that in as I've thought about a lot I just can't see how they will win the next election .
Massively damaged the Tory Party , they've even managed to pyss off their wealthy staunch shires voters who love the royals .
The Queen sat on her own at her husband's funeral on the very day they were cracking open bottles of wine in Downing Street is an image that will take some stomaching for those voters .
The Libs have an excellent opportunity to cash in in those areas .
The Tory - Labour marginals will go to Labour in my opinion with the Red Wall returning .
Its not beyond comprehension that the Tories could be demoted to third place .
The only question in my opinion is how large the Labour victory will be with the possibility of a hung parliament with the Dems at worst .
I'd suggest if either of those scenarios come to fruition it represents an opportunity to put the Conservative Party out of business altogether .
Something which could have happened in 1997 when a deal with the Libs was talked about .
Tyke, I won’t dispute anything that you have written there and I don’t really give a toss who wins the next GE.
The point I was getting across in my earlier post is that thousands of people don’t give a toss either and probably won’t know the names of more than half a dozen MPs.
Politics is something that most people don’t care about.
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Yes he did.
Please point out where he specifically apologises for any of his actions.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-apology-translated-legal-25929663
He apologised for his personal lack of action.
“With hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside. I should have found some other way to thank them.
“I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there are millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way, people who have suffered terribly, people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all inside or outside, and to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies.
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If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again
I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now
Having watched the news a couple of times this week it seems to me that a lot of people don’t watch the news at all, never read a newspaper and certainly never read a third division football forum because when the tv interviewer asked random people in the street whether they would vote conservative again a significant amount of them said that they would do.
Some even said that they thought Boris is ok and was doing his best.
This is not my opinion by the way so my usual detractors need not bother piling in.
I am simply offering some information to suggest why things are as they are in politics.
To be honest, if I didn’t contribute to this forum I would probably not know about the majority of the off topic stuff that seems to dominate the lives of some people on here.
It's all relative hound , there are people who couldn't contemplate not voting Tory no matter the state of the nation or their behaviour .
Even when they were annihilated in 1997 by Blair 9.6m still voted for them .
Same with Labour , Diane Abbott has held her London seat since the 1980's , never looked in any danger of losing it .
As you know I'm not a great fan of a centre Labour Party to say the least but I can't see the Tories coming back from this for a long time never mind the next two years and the run up to a GE .
The one thing you don't do is underestimate them but even factoring that in as I've thought about a lot I just can't see how they will win the next election .
Massively damaged the Tory Party , they've even managed to pyss off their wealthy staunch shires voters who love the royals .
The Queen sat on her own at her husband's funeral on the very day they were cracking open bottles of wine in Downing Street is an image that will take some stomaching for those voters .
The Libs have an excellent opportunity to cash in in those areas .
The Tory - Labour marginals will go to Labour in my opinion with the Red Wall returning .
Its not beyond comprehension that the Tories could be demoted to third place .
The only question in my opinion is how large the Labour victory will be with the possibility of a hung parliament with the Dems at worst .
I'd suggest if either of those scenarios come to fruition it represents an opportunity to put the Conservative Party out of business altogether .
Something which could have happened in 1997 when a deal with the Libs was talked about .
Tyke, I won’t dispute anything that you have written there and I don’t really give a toss who wins the next GE.
The point I was getting across in my earlier post is that thousands of people don’t give a toss either and probably won’t know the names of more than half a dozen MPs.
Politics is something that most people don’t care about.
Your right of course most people aren't interested in politics and couldn't care less who is in government .
Which is why this is so damaging for the Tories .
It's damaging because it goes way past boring politics and politicians and plays out like some soap opera or reality show cliff hanger , if there's such a thing mind .
This cuts through massively to the public , there possibly isn't one person above 18 years old in the UK who hasn't heard about it and in many respects have felt anger given the circumstances we've all had to live under .
Even the bloody Queen felt it .
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Yes he did.
Please point out where he specifically apologises for any of his actions.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-apology-translated-legal-25929663
He apologised for his personal lack of action.
“With hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside. I should have found some other way to thank them.
“I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there are millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way, people who have suffered terribly, people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all inside or outside, and to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies.
Read that carefully.
He didn't apologise for his lack of action. He apologised for what it looked like.
Every single word in his statement was classic legalese. He didn't directly apologise for anything he'd done, and the statement was crafted to dupe people.
It seems to have worked.
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To any politically unbiased mind, he did apologise. For that, you will have to take my word for it.
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https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/when-pigs-fly-group-gm178864585-25125420
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What did Johnson apologise for? Statement to Paliament 8th December 2021
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-12-08/debates/DB36FDA8-C784-4AEE-8D0C-F95FBB5345E9/Engagements
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https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/when-pigs-fly-group-gm178864585-25125420
#notcontributingtothediscussion
23643 by the way.
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there's about as much chance of bb being correct as a certain person voting labour at the next election
is that what it means?
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To any politically unbiased mind, he did apologise. For that, you will have to take my word for it.
I'm no great lover of the current Labour Party BB .
He didn't apologise , trust me he didn't .
To be honest the detail is neither here nor there .
Johnson either goes very soon or he goes in two years time and he's humiliated at the ballot box .
The games up .
Thats the only detail that carries any weight in politics .
Once the public mood shifts that's it just as it was for Labour following the financial crash and Thatcher's Poll Tax moment .
Events kill governments and no independent inquiry by anyone will change that .
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Tyke, you don't have to be a lover of the Labour party to dislike Boris Johnson, so that is no confirmation of a politically unbiased mind. You'll just have to take my word for it that he did apologise, trust me.
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Tyke, you don't have to be a lover of the Labour party to dislike Boris Johnson, so that is no confirmation of a politically unbiased mind. You'll just have to take my word for it that he did apologise, trust me.
#trustmeborisjohnson
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Tyke, you don't have to be a lover of the Labour party to dislike Boris Johnson, so that is no confirmation of a politically unbiased mind. You'll just have to take my word for it that he did apologise, trust me.
As I say BB it doesn't really matter what you or I think because the country's mood music's shifted considerably away from Johnson and his party .
Gordon Brown could plead with the nation all he wanted and back it up with facts , graphs and whatever it took but the public weren't having it in 2010 .
That's my point .
On the point of Johnson I've said on this forum more times than I've eaten hot dinners that Johnson was never a authentic anti EU campaigner .
He was a bandwagon merchant , nothing more or less .
I've also stated a number of times on here that the real and authentic anti EU campaigners were from the old industrial left , Corbyn was one , Foot , Benn , Scargill and the whole Trade Union movement back in the day .
However for all that one of the most remarkable pieces of footage I've seen on what the Common Market would become was delivered by Enoch Powell in the 1970's .
It's remarkably accurate , he even predicted we would eventually leave and it would be a shyte storm when we did and possibly way too late .
Whether you agree with his politics or not he was a man way way ahead of his time .
I'd challenge anybody today to predict where this country will be in 45 years time like he did with so much accuracy .
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You wouldn't last long in a florists tyke.
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You wouldn't last long in a florists tyke.
In the grand scheme of things that's probably summat I could live with Sydney .
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Large consignments of white chalky paint seen being delivered to #10
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A traitor - hang him:
I have regretfully come to the conclusion that Boris Johnson’s position is now untenable, that his resignation is the only way to bring this whole unfortunate episode to an end and I am working with colleagues to impress that view on Number 10.
https://twitter.com/timloughton/status/1482463465629495297
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Correct Tyke, it doesn't matter what you and I think, and I agree with your Gordon Brown sentiment also, but the attitude of the country has changed since then. We have become a country of bad losers where those who don't get their way when voting in referendums and elections have an overwhelming desire for it to fail, or even to demand a revote.
I don't want to be on the same side as them!
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Correct Tyke, it doesn't matter what you and I think, and I agree with your Gordon Brown sentiment also, but the attitude of the country has changed since then. We have become a country of bad losers where those who don't get their way when voting in referendums and elections have an overwhelming desire for it to fail, or even to demand a revote.
I don't want to be on the same side as them!
May as well dissolve parliament and go for a dictatorship and then you will have your way bb #trustmenodiscussionallowed
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See, here's the thing with BB.
He takes criticism of a flawed vote and criticism of a career liar of a politician as wishing ill on the country.
It's a bizarre stance but it's one he won't be moved on. No amount of carefully presented, logical argument will dissuade him from the certain knowledge that he is right in his opinions of other folk's nefarious motives.
So he goes into a bunker where he refuses, ever, to criticise one side. And he doesn't get how biassed that makes him.
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Correct Tyke, it doesn't matter what you and I think, and I agree with your Gordon Brown sentiment also, but the attitude of the country has changed since then. We have become a country of bad losers where those who don't get their way when voting in referendums and elections have an overwhelming desire for it to fail, or even to demand a revote.
I don't want to be on the same side as them!
I think it's too simplistic to say we have become a nation of bad losers BB .
I suspect you are referring to the referendum result as much as anything .
The referendum brought everything to the surface , this was way more than simply leaving the EU .
It concluded that they were more people pyssed off than were happy little puppies .
It's as simple as that really .
A normal run of the mill GE didn't expose that but the referendum did .
None too many on the remain side could see that or are or were even willing to admit it .
You can more or less count on one hand the number of people who were even willing to visit the high percentage leave areas and try and understand why they voted the way they did , even last year Labour sent a pro EU candidate up to Hartlepool to fight an election ....... And hmmm lost ??? .
Far easier to call them thick and racist it seems .
For all that they still insist you vote the right way which basically equates to how they see this country and you'd better accept it or else .....
For all the talk of Tory governments creating divisions in society they've nothing on the hysterical cross party remainer .
The world's changed , well maybe some people were happy the way it was before free movement .
I've never thought that was wrong but that's just my opinion .
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The world has changed.
I have just been reading about the death of Italian designer Nino Cerrutti. He said he grew up in a national industrial society and that has been replaced by a global communications society.
Quite insightful for a fashion designer I thought. I think he's spot on, it's a change many are struggling to come to terms with.
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The world has changed.
I have just been reading about the death of Italian designer Nino Cerrutti. He said he grew up in a national industrial society and that has been replaced by a global communications society.
Quite insightful for a fashion designer I thought. I think he's spot on, it's a change many are struggling to come to terms with.
As far as I'm able to say governments on both sides have never asked the country either in a manifesto or straight off the bat whether they wanted free movement or mass immigration .
It was delivered anyway .
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The world has changed.
I have just been reading about the death of Italian designer Nino Cerrutti. He said he grew up in a national industrial society and that has been replaced by a global communications society.
Quite insightful for a fashion designer I thought. I think he's spot on, it's a change many are struggling to come to terms with.
As far as I'm able to say governments on both sides have never asked the country either in a manifesto or straight off the bat whether they wanted free movement or mass immigration .
It was delivered anyway .
The government is busy negotiating with India to replace freedom of movement from the EU with mass immigration from the sub continent.
The economy demands an ever growing population and the Brits can't be counted on to supply sufficient numbers.
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Britain the cradle of democracy is getting close to a basket case because the tories need someone to tell them the difference between a work meeting and a party.
Are the tories and their fan club deliberately trying to destroy the country?
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The world has changed.
I have just been reading about the death of Italian designer Nino Cerrutti. He said he grew up in a national industrial society and that has been replaced by a global communications society.
Quite insightful for a fashion designer I thought. I think he's spot on, it's a change many are struggling to come to terms with.
As far as I'm able to say governments on both sides have never asked the country either in a manifesto or straight off the bat whether they wanted free movement or mass immigration .
It was delivered anyway .
The government is busy negotiating with India to replace freedom of movement from the EU with mass immigration from the sub continent.
The economy demands an ever growing population and the Brits can't be counted on to supply sufficient numbers.
You'd imagine then that governments would have worked out that they then have to provide the infrastructure that's needed for an ever growing population RD ???
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Tyke, you don't have to be a lover of the Labour party to dislike Boris Johnson, so that is no confirmation of a politically unbiased mind. You'll just have to take my word for it that he did apologise, trust me.
As I say BB it doesn't really matter what you or I think because the country's mood music's shifted considerably away from Johnson and his party .
Gordon Brown could plead with the nation all he wanted and back it up with facts , graphs and whatever it took but the public weren't having it in 2010 .
That's my point .
On the point of Johnson I've said on this forum more times than I've eaten hot dinners that Johnson was never a authentic anti EU campaigner .
He was a bandwagon merchant , nothing more or less .
I've also stated a number of times on here that the real and authentic anti EU campaigners were from the old industrial left , Corbyn was one , Foot , Benn , Scargill and the whole Trade Union movement back in the day .
However for all that one of the most remarkable pieces of footage I've seen on what the Common Market would become was delivered by Enoch Powell in the 1970's .
It's remarkably accurate , he even predicted we would eventually leave and it would be a shyte storm when we did and possibly way too late .
Whether you agree with his politics or not he was a man way way ahead of his time .
I'd challenge anybody today to predict where this country will be in 45 years time like he did with so much accuracy .
There won’t be many of us still around though in 45 years time to respond to that challenge.
And if any of us are still around we won’t remember it anyway.
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According to the Times today, Johnson was warned in advance of the party in the garden and that it was in breach of the rules
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1482653312998588422
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Back on topic 150,000 dead, 175, 000 + recorded by the ONS UK and #10 with the imprimatur of johnson have been partying the whole while. As he is a renowned coward without backbone nor a sense of decency, it's up to the conservatives to beg or borrow some and show him the door.
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According to the Times today, Johnson was warned in advance of the party in the garden and that it was in breach of the rules
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1482653312998588422
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Back on topic 150,000 dead, 175, 000 + recorded by the ONS UK and #10 with the imprimatur of johnson have been partying the whole while. As he is a renowned coward without backbone nor a sense of decency, it's up to the conservatives to beg or borrow some and show him the door.
If they'd got somebody lined up that gave them the opportunity to win the next election he'd be gone already Sydney .
The Conservative Party always comes before the health of the nation , always has and always will .
If Thather's Poll Tax hadn't been met with so much protest and violence and risked losing the 92 election they'd have kept her on , the unfairness of that tax was actually incidental .
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not my post tyke, I bumped it as it was more important than mine .....
wilts
''According to the Times today, Johnson was warned in advance of the party in the garden and that it was in breach of the rules''
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1482653312998588422
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Oh my ..............
''EXCLUSIVE: New No10 party revealed as Boris Johnson set to blame aides to save his job
The Mirror can reveal that the Prime Minister attended a leaving do for his defence adviser Captain Steve Higham in the run-up to Christmas 2020 and gave a speech''
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/new-no10-party-revealed-boris-25962670
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(https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/attachments/1642250814063-png.631555/)
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Kettering Town on the money;
https://twitter.com/KTFCOfficial/status/1481281037825150981
VAR will sort out...just waiting for Sue Gray to review playback in slo-mo!
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According to the Times today, Johnson was warned in advance of the party in the garden and that it was in breach of the rules
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1482653312998588422
Dominic Cummings now saying he was one of the people who personally warned Johnson.
Who to believe - the bloke who lied about Brexit - or the bloke who designed the campaign for him to lie about Brexit and then lied about going to Barnard Castle for an eye test? Could both be lying of course? Tough call
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-dominic-cummings-says-boris-25972064?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
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Not a tough call really Wilts, just believe whose story suits your agenda, as per usual.
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I do wonder what BB"s personal standards are like. Given that he automatically assumes people who disagree with him are hypocrites and liars. Despite them regularly providing evidence to show they are not.
I wonder what life experiences you have to end up with that core belief.
Meanwhile, the rolling average of opinion polls has Labour 12% ahead. Anyone want to hazard a guess when Labour were last consistently this far in front?
I'll give you a clue. Mark Sale was playing up front for us.
Of course things can change, but this is starting to look more and more like an epochal movement.
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I do wonder what my comment to Wilts has to do with you.
Now I could respond to the rest of the b*llocks you wrote but your buddy Filo might accuse me of trolling you.
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I do wonder what my comment to Wilts has to do with you.
Now I could respond to the rest of the b*llocks you wrote but your buddy Filo might accuse me of trolling you.
I wonder what it’s got to do with you bringing me into your trolling?
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BB
It fits a trend of how you interact with other people you disagree with. If you don't want people to comment on that, don't do that.
As for the rest of my post, it consisted of simple facts. So there was no need for you to announce that you wouldn't engage with it. I took it as read.
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I do wonder what my comment to Wilts has to do with you.
Now I could respond to the rest of the b*llocks you wrote but your buddy Filo might accuse me of trolling you.
I wonder what it’s got to do with you bringing me into your trolling?
Probably as much as it has to do with you when you accuse me of doing it.
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I do wonder what my comment to Wilts has to do with you.
Now I could respond to the rest of the b*llocks you wrote but your buddy Filo might accuse me of trolling you.
I wonder what it’s got to do with you bringing me into your trolling?
Way-hey 3 minutes and 22 seconds!
Don't you ever feel just a teeny bit embarrassed?
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BB
It fits a trend of how you interact with other people you disagree with. If you don't want people to comment on that, don't do that.
As for the rest of my post, it consisted of simple facts. So there was no need for you to announce that you wouldn't engage with it. I took it as read.
That's good coming from the most supercilious, arrogant, pompous, overbearing know-it-all to ever grace their condescending presence on this forum since its inception.
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I do wonder what my comment to Wilts has to do with you.
Now I could respond to the rest of the b*llocks you wrote but your buddy Filo might accuse me of trolling you.
I wonder what it’s got to do with you bringing me into your trolling?
Way-hey 3 minutes and 22 seconds!
Don't you ever feel just a teeny bit embarrassed?
I see one of your loyal labradors has jumped in :)
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Bet he prefers being a Labrador as opposed to a lapdog.
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Bet he prefers being a Labrador as opposed to a lapdog.
He also beat the record 1 minute 52 seconds, must have been hovering over the send button like a good little Labrador :)
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Well, Labradors are a bit quicker than lapdogs in lots of things.
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Labour lapdog, that is catchy BB.
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acetone anyone?
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Not a tough call really Wilts, just believe whose story suits your agenda, as per usual.
We know thats what you do BB. It's just unfortunate that you seem to think everyone else is the same as you - although its easy to see why you have become a Johnson apologist with that outlook.
Its not the truth that matters is it - just defending your leader by attacking people who question him. They even gave it a name
#OperationBigDog'sB*llocks
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I taught my dog to do tricks.
It was a labracadabrador
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WE! WE! WE!
WE WE WILTS!
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Cummings has confirmed that johnson was warned about the party .............
''Downing Street party: Boris Johnson was warned about lockdown drinks, says Dominic Cummings''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk
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WE! WE! WE!
WE WE WILTS!
I think maybe you need to maybe step back from the forum, at least until johnson gets kicked into touch for your own mental health bb
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''No 10 defends PM’s trips between London and Chequers in March 2020
Boris and Carrie Johnson did not break Covid rules by travelling to Buckinghamshire mansion, says spokesperson''
Downing Street has said Boris and Carrie Johnson followed Covid guidance when the prime minister was “commuting” from Chequers to No 10 during the first lockdown in 2020 – but declined to answer further questions, including whether the pair held social events.
declined to answer ................... hmmmm
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/17/no-10-defends-pms-trips-between-london-and-chequers-in-march-2020
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A bit more info for those who need assistance in deciding 'who's lying'
From Robert Peston:
I know who sent the email to Martin Reynolds on 20 May 2020 telling him the planned “bring your own booze” party should not go ahead - though the sender tells me he does not want to be seen as agent provocateur against the prime minister and has asked me not to name him. Before I go on, I regard the evidence of this “senior official” - as styled by Dominic Cummings in his Monday blog - as compelling, because if it turns out he is lying he knows it will come out and he would be seriously damaged. The email was copied to an official in Reynolds’s office and to the PM’s then main aide - now estranged - Mr Cummings.
Sue Gray, who is investigating that party and others, can easily find the email, since there will not be so many received by Mr Reynolds and Mr Cummings on 20 May.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-17/why-the-mystery-partygate-email-mentioned-in-cummings-blog-really-matters
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Good grief it's true that as you get older you revert to being a child and judging by tonight's thread we have a few budding year 4's on this Forum
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Peston's twitter acct has some interesting comments
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1483184920302399497?cxt=HHwWksC57fS0qpUpAAAA
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Oliver Dowden showing some of the pedants on here how it's done ...........
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1482651489638170629?cxt=HHwWioCy2ZTrt5MpAAAA
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I can see why you love the tory party so bb, their careful attention to every infinitesimal detail of the law to ensure their leader has not so much as left a fractured part of his dna on the wrong side of it, and yet only recently they have been more than happy to drive a combined harvester right through it without batting an eyelid, how times change in a heartbeat, aye?
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It’s comforting to see that some of the rank of file of the Tory party are voting with their feet. The whole conservative association in deepest blue Sutton Coldfield has voted no confidence in bojo. Another Tory MP estimates blue voters are 60 to one against Bojo currently in his constituency.
The absolute best thing for the Tory party is to move him aside and get someone fresh in.
I emailed Matt Warman, my local MP, urging him to get his letter in to the 1922 committee but he seems to have been placated with the “ heartfelt” apology. And he has confidence with the ongoing enquiry.
I have warned him this will not wash with Tory voters up and down the country and is simply not enough. The tories speak of build back better. This has to start within their own party. Bojo is a liability for the Conservative Party. I’m hoping this enquiry confirms this without doubt. I do have concerns there will be some influencing going on behind the scenes and scapegoats made. I certainly hope this will not be the case.
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NR.
When the next Election comes round, remember your MP's decision on this topic. Ask yourself if someone so dismissive of truth and morality deserves your vote.
It's the only way to hold them to account.
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NR.
When the next Election comes round, remember your MP's decision on this topic. Ask yourself if someone so dismissive of truth and morality deserves your vote.
It's the only way to hold them to account.
Holding the local tory mp to account is one thing ( rest assured I will if it comes to it)
Voting the other way is a whole different proposition.
Whilst we vote for a party, with a local rep, I have some faith that whilst my local MP may be blinded by some obvious truths on this particular matter, there are clearly others within the same party who are not. And this number is growing.
Boston and Skegness constituency always has and perhaps always will be blue. The majority is huge.
We should not cut our nose off to spite our face just because of one local representative feelings on one single matter. And I believe that goes across all party politics.
If the enquiry concludes that Johnson has lied, and breached the Ministerial code, then he has to go. And that won’t be a bad thing for the Tories.
I watch and wait.
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I urge everyone to get their letters into the 1922 committee via the chair Sir Graham Brady for the sake of the country, I've put three in already.
https://members.parliament.uk/member/435/contact
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NR.
When the next Election comes round, remember your MP's decision on this topic. Ask yourself if someone so dismissive of truth and morality deserves your vote.
It's the only way to hold them to account.
Holding the local tory mp to account is one thing ( rest assured I will if it comes to it)
Voting the other way is a whole different proposition.
Whilst we vote for a party, with a local rep, I have some faith that whilst my local MP may be blinded by some obvious truths on this particular matter, there are clearly others within the same party who are not. And this number is growing.
Boston and Skegness constituency always has and perhaps always will be blue. The majority is huge.
We should not cut our nose off to spite our face just because of one local representative feelings on one single matter. And I believe that goes across all party politics.
If the enquiry concludes that Johnson has lied, and breached the Ministerial code, then he has to go. And that won’t be a bad thing for the Tories.
I watch and wait.
Does Johnson lying and breaking the ministerial code come within her remit?
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Judging by his heavy breathing and teary eyes in this lunchtimes interview, he knows the gigs up and he really will have to pay for Carrie's next rolls of wallpaper.
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If you've ever been close to a pathological liar, you'll know how truly frightening this moment is. When you KNOW they are lying and you set out the reasons why you know they are lying - and they still insist that they aren't lying.
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I think the number of unimpressed Tory MPs are growing. More letters to come. One reports the threshold is close to tipping point.
His time is running out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60047606
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I don’t get how the Labour Party are so keen for Bojo to go. Surely it’s in their best interests to have him stay put. A resurgent Conservative Party will do them no favours come the next GE.
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Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
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I don’t get how the Labour Party are so keen for Bojo to go. Surely it’s in their best interests to have him stay put. A resurgent Conservative Party will do them no favours come the next GE.
I would suggest it's because they are fed up with watching a bunch of self serving incompetents ruin the country and its reputation. The false argument that labour would be no better is countered by how could they possibly the worse than an outfit that has directly contributed to the deaths of well over 50,000 of its own citizens, would you think be enough without getting into law breaking, dishonesty, philandering and cronyism. But we shall see.
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.... surely we have seen enough of Politicians and how they lie and how they cheat and how they evade even simple questions because the answer they want to give is a minefield
This is true of any and all Parties in the UK and I don't discriminate or favour any of them.
So why don't we get rid of the extremism (either of the 2 main Parties are guilty of) with the introduction of PR. Only the UK and Belarus don't have a form of PR and it has its detractors and probably pitfalls (hung Parliaments etc) but surely the whole Parliamentary system and Country would benefit if we had the benefit of moderates sat in charge
That may be 2 or 3 Parties for a few years but at least we the people that democracy is SAID to represent would be getting what the majority wanted instead of a string of Governments (most of the last 20 probably ... guessing there ...) that were minority Govts that is where due to First Past the Post system one Party (of either colour) can win control of the whole Parliament whilst only getting 40 per cent of the votes with 60 per cent getting what they don't want
PR fairer to most (the majority) surely and voters might be encouraged if they felt that their votes might actually count
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I don’t get how the Labour Party are so keen for Bojo to go. Surely it’s in their best interests to have him stay put. A resurgent Conservative Party will do them no favours come the next GE.
Because some things transcend tribal advantage.
it is in absolutely no-one's interests for us to have a pathological liar in No10. He should never have been there in the first place, and it is deeply damaging to the running of the country to have someone who is fundamentally and transparently untrustworthy at the helm.
We have serious challenges ahead of us and he needs to go now, regardless of whether that takes away a political advantage from Labour.
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Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
I'm sure even someone as politically biased as you BB can understand the difference between having a beer over a working dinner attended by a handful of people, with a specific agenda to address, and inviting 100 people to bring a bottle to enjoy the sunshine in the garden. I assume you understand this, but in your usual style, you are pretending not to do to make your biased point.
I also assume you understand that Johnson's real crime, the one that renders him utterly unfit for Government is not the string of parties, bad as they were. It is his gormless, artless, non-credible attempt to lie his way out of the situation. He's lied to Parliament. That in itself is a resigning issue for any politician. But it is far worse than that. he's demonstrated himself to be f**king useless in his judgement.
Just pause for a moment and imagine him having to make the very most serious judgement calls in a week or two if Putin invade Ukraine. He has to go. Because he has finally been rumbled for what some of us knew him to be all along. A blowhard facade, covering a void underneath.
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Wow David Davies just asked him to go, in Parliament
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Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
I'm sure even someone as politically biased as you BB can understand the difference between having a beer over a working dinner attended by a handful of people, with a specific agenda to address, and inviting 100 people to bring a bottle to enjoy the sunshine in the garden. I assume you understand this, but in your usual style, you are pretending not to do to make your biased point.
I also assume you understand that Johnson's real crime, the one that renders him utterly unfit for Government is not the string of parties, bad as they were. It is his gormless, artless, non-credible attempt to lie his way out of the situation. He's lied to Parliament. That in itself is a resigning issue for any politician. But it is far worse than that. he's demonstrated himself to be f**king useless in his judgement.
Just pause for a moment and imagine him having to make the very most serious judgement calls in a week or two if Putin invade Ukraine. He has to go. Because he has finally been rumbled for what some of us knew him to be all along. A blowhard facade, covering a void underneath.
Starmer has spent the past two months criticising people for doing the exact same thing he's done himself. That is not me being politically biased, that is a fact, and it is only YOUR biasedness that stands out because you won't accept that. Starmer was no more at work than Johnson was, and he is no less guilty of attempting to lie his way out of the situation. But again, you won't accept that because of your blind biasedness.
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Starmer appears to be stood n a room with a small gethering of people around a table. That looks like a working meal, which is what Starmer claims it was.
Do I believe Starmer? Well, he doesn't have a history of lying.
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Yes he does. He lied about the EU vaccine programme.
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Yes he does. He lied about the EU vaccine programme.
No
He
Didn't.
After weeks of Tories systemically lying on that issue (a lie Johnson repeated today) Starmer lost his rag and made a mistake in what he said.
He corrected that within hours.
You are coming across as a biased fool in insisting that is a lie, comparable to someone repeathed saying something that is untrue and never correcting it.
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BST, it is because you think if a Tory MP makes a mistake it's a lie, and if a Labour MP tells a lie it's a mistake, that confirms your biasedness. You're completely blind to it, and so are the people on here who you con into believing you. It's like Stevie Wonder leading David Blunkett.
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No BB.
You're doing that thing again of flattering yourself to believe you know what I think, instead of reading what I write.
A lie is when someone says something untrue and refuses to correct it.
A mistake is when someone says something untrue and corrects it.
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Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
In which envirnoment is/was eating a takeaway and drinking alcohol against covid rules?
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BST, it is because you think if a Tory MP makes a mistake it's a lie, and if a Labour MP tells a lie it's a mistake, that confirms your biasedness. You're completely blind to it, and so are the people on here who you con into believing you. It's like Stevie Wonder leading David Blunkett.
Says the bloke who can only criticise Labour politicians.
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David Davis to @BBCcarolynquinn:
“His comments yesterday that ‘I wasn’t told’- I’m afraid that isn’t what I was expecting from a leader...I expect leadership. Leadership means shouldering responsibility and he didn’t do it. Yesterday’s interview was an attempt to escape responsibility.”
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1483795077273206786
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More like a weasel that a leader
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/19/boris-johnson-grilled-by-line-of-duty-team-in-spoof-video-viewed-by-5-million
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Well done to David Davis on using his profile to deliver a message surely the majority of the populace and even Tory voters must be thinking by now.
Davis, though I don't necessarily agree with his politics, is a highly principled politician and unlike his party leader a credit to the House of Commons.
Hopefully his intervention is the catalyst to force this over-privileged, lying and IMO totally ineffective Prime Minister out of office.
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The only thing that could save johson is if Russia invades the Ukraine, which could make it more likely.
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Jesus, Mary & Joseph & the wee donkey let’s hope that doesn’t happen on Bozo’s ‘watch’.
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There was a goodly slice of the population thinking exactly that when johnson was handed the 'watch' in the first place.
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Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
In which envirnoment is/was eating a takeaway and drinking alcohol against covid rules?
The picture was taken when indoor mixing between different households was not allowed except for work. Now, if you class eating takeaway and drinking beer as 'work', then I suggest, for the sake of unbiasedness, your liberal attitude towards that should extend to all parties.
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Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
In which envirnoment is/was eating a takeaway and drinking alcohol against covid rules?
The picture was taken when indoor mixing between different households was not allowed except for work. Now, if you class eating takeaway and drinking beer as 'work', then I suggest, for the sake of unbiasedness, your liberal attitude towards that should extend to all parties.
Just post the proof bb, time to put up ................ no one in their right mind would take your word ............... seriously?
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For you bb I'll repeat, take your findings to your party HQ because at this moment in time they would love to hear some good news.
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Well done to David Davis on using his profile to deliver a message surely the majority of the populace and even Tory voters must be thinking by now.
Davis, though I don't necessarily agree with his politics, is a highly principled politician and unlike his party leader a credit to the House of Commons.
Hopefully his intervention is the catalyst to force this over-privileged, lying and IMO totally ineffective Prime Minister out of office.
David Davis has a history of barbed attacks on his leaders. Theresa May for one, and David Cameron for another. Anyone would think he resents not getting the PM job himself and is merely following the trend these days of dragging his opponents down because he's incapable of progressing on his own merit.
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BST, it is because you think if a Tory MP makes a mistake it's a lie, and if a Labour MP tells a lie it's a mistake, that confirms your biasedness. You're completely blind to it, and so are the people on here who you con into believing you. It's like Stevie Wonder leading David Blunkett.
Says the bloke who can only criticise Labour politicians.
See above post.
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No BB.
You're doing that thing again of flattering yourself to believe you know what I think, instead of reading what I write.
A lie is when someone says something untrue and refuses to correct it.
A mistake is when someone says something untrue and corrects it.
On this topic, I'm surprised you haven't seen fit to answer this post BB.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=283693.msg1129546#msg1129546
See, a mistake isn't a deceit if it is a genuine mistake and it's corrected when you realise.
But if you refuse to correct a falsehood, you are choosing to deceive.
Your call.
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Apologies. The second quote wasn't from you after checking closer. I stand corrected.
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I don’t get how the Labour Party are so keen for Bojo to go. Surely it’s in their best interests to have him stay put. A resurgent Conservative Party will do them no favours come the next GE.
I understand the sentiment and I’d hope that the motivation is to ensure the country isn’t led by such an a competent leader for the next 3 years.
I don’t know who they would put forward as the next leader; their most likely candidates, working in the cabinet members are either caught up in their own mismanagement of cabinet officers; blatant protectorates of Boris or in the case of Rishi billionaires who have little in common with the masses.
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I don’t get how the Labour Party are so keen for Bojo to go. Surely it’s in their best interests to have him stay put. A resurgent Conservative Party will do them no favours come the next GE.
I understand the sentiment and I’d hope that the motivation is to ensure the country isn’t led by such an a competent leader for the next 3 years.
I don’t know who they would put forward as the next leader; their most likely candidates, who currently work in the cabinet, are either caught up in their own mismanagement of cabinet officers; blatant protectorates of Boris or in the case of Rishi, billionaires who have little in common with the masses.
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Apologies. The second quote wasn't from you after checking closer. I stand corrected.
Thank you.
And the first point?
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Jesus, Mary & Joseph & the wee donkey let’s hope that doesn’t happen on Bozo’s ‘watch’.
Now they told me one of these two buttons gets my PA but I can't remember which one
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Apologies. The second quote wasn't from you after checking closer. I stand corrected.
Thank you.
And the first point?
I too would like to apologise for liking a post where the poster has accepted an error was made.
I’ll stop short of making a personal dig, though.
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Apologies. The second quote wasn't from you after checking closer. I stand corrected.
Thank you.
And the first point?
My first point was, as ever, that you only rely on stats that suit, including polls.
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Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
In which envirnoment is/was eating a takeaway and drinking alcohol against covid rules?
The picture was taken when indoor mixing between different households was not allowed except for work. Now, if you class eating takeaway and drinking beer as 'work', then I suggest, for the sake of unbiasedness, your liberal attitude towards that should extend to all parties.
Were people from different households unable to work from home due to the nature of their work not allowed to eat & drink then?
If this extends to all (political) parties, then where on the Downing Street thread have you condemned Johnson for eating and drinking? And corrected his assertion that the photograph of him and his misses with glasses of wine in the garden was allowed because it was a work event?
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Apologies. The second quote wasn't from you after checking closer. I stand corrected.
Thank you.
And the first point?
My first point was, as ever, that you only rely on stats that suit, including polls.
You are doing that thing again of assuming, because you are incapable of dealing with facts dispassionately and objectively, that everyone else is the same.
I challenge you to find a single example of where I have ever referred to a single poll that is well out of the general trend to make a point.
When you can't find that example, you can either withdraw your accusation, or you can choose to let it stand as an example of your deceit.
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Because the Labour party only has thoroughly decent human beings who wouldn't dream of breaking such rules as eating takeaway and drinking alcohol in an environment that was against Covid restriction rules. They wouldn't even dream of drinking alcohol during work time anyway, even outside, and certainly not inside.
The fact that they are probably planning their own downfall by demanding BoJo go is unimportant to such a pure and thoroughly faultless and impeccable bunch of people.
In which envirnoment is/was eating a takeaway and drinking alcohol against covid rules?
The picture was taken when indoor mixing between different households was not allowed except for work. Now, if you class eating takeaway and drinking beer as 'work', then I suggest, for the sake of unbiasedness, your liberal attitude towards that should extend to all parties.
Were people from different households unable to work from home due to the nature of their work not allowed to eat & drink then?
If this extends to all (political) parties, then where on the Downing Street thread have you condemned Johnson for eating and drinking? And corrected his assertion that the photograph of him and his misses with glasses of wine in the garden was allowed because it was a work event?
They were probably not allowed to drink alcohol, but even if they were, I doubt they'd have the front to accuse rival companies that did the same of breaking the rules.
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Apologies. The second quote wasn't from you after checking closer. I stand corrected.
Thank you.
And the first point?
My first point was, as ever, that you only rely on stats that suit, including polls.
You are doing that thing again of assuming, because you are incapable of dealing with facts dispassionately and objectively, that everyone else is the same.
I challenge you to find a single example of where I have ever referred to a single poll that is well out of the general trend to make a point.
When you can't find that example, you can either withdraw your accusation, or you can choose to let it stand as an example of your deceit.
Have you ever produced any evidence in the form of stats or polls that have actually gone against your agenda?
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Ah, the classic BB approach.
Make an accusation that you can't substantiate.
Get pulled up on it.
Change the terms of the argument.
Rinse and repeat.
You'd make a good Tory politician BB. Watching you squirm as you ignore facts and insist you're right anyway reminds me of Zahawi last week defending Johnson. You've missed your vocation.
I have never once chosen to present any data of any form in here that I knew to be false or unrepresentative, with the intention of deceiving. I don't pick and choose what form of data to present to suit an agenda. Regarding polls, I've discussed plenty of examples where Labour have been doing well and where they have been doing badly. Never once have I chosen to push misleading examples to make a point.
I assume you think it is natural that people deliberately deceive and lie. I assume you do it regularly. Why else would you continue to accuse me of doing that when you cannot put your finger on a single example of it?
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Ah, the classic BB approach.
Make an accusation that you can't substantiate.
Get pulled up on it.
Change the terms of the argument.
Rinse and repeat.
You'd make a good Tory politician BB. Watching you squirm as you ignore facts and insist you're right anyway reminds me of Zahawi last week defending Johnson. You've missed your vocation.
I have never once chosen to present any data of any form in here that I knew to be false or unrepresentative, with the intention of deceiving. I don't pick and choose what form of data to present to suit an agenda. Regarding polls, I've discussed plenty of examples where Labour have been doing well and where they have been doing badly. Never once have I chosen to push misleading examples to make a point.
I assume you think it is natural that people deliberately deceive and lie. I assume you do it regularly. Why else would you continue to accuse me of doing that when you cannot put your finger on a single example of it?
That’s the longest ‘no’ I’ve ever read!
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Ah, the classic BB approach.
Make an accusation that you can't substantiate.
Get pulled up on it.
Change the terms of the argument.
Rinse and repeat.
You'd make a good Tory politician BB. Watching you squirm as you ignore facts and insist you're right anyway reminds me of Zahawi last week defending Johnson. You've missed your vocation.
I have never once chosen to present any data of any form in here that I knew to be false or unrepresentative, with the intention of deceiving. I don't pick and choose what form of data to present to suit an agenda. Regarding polls, I've discussed plenty of examples where Labour have been doing well and where they have been doing badly. Never once have I chosen to push misleading examples to make a point.
I assume you think it is natural that people deliberately deceive and lie. I assume you do it regularly. Why else would you continue to accuse me of doing that when you cannot put your finger on a single example of it?
That’s the longest ‘no’ I’ve ever read!
Lets start from the beginning. Where have I changed the terms of the argument?
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BB.
If you really can't see, I suggest you spend a little less time writing and a bit more reading and thinking.
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That's all I expected from you.
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Johnson is threatening all tory MPs saying if they don't support him he is not going to build 40 new hospitals, not going to level up Britain not going to .........
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Sydney - if people are not going to criticise Johnson for being at a party that he didn't realise was a party and then allowing further parties to go on during a period of national mourning - they certainly wont care that he runs his own party like a Mafia boss. It's most likely what they want him to do.
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Point taken
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As an aside, the reason why one female MP, joined the Pork Pie Plot...
Dehenna Davison was told Wednesday to 'get a grip' by Carrie Johnson's best friend after being named as one of the suspected ringleaders of the so-called 'Pork Pie' plot to oust the embattled prime minister.
The MP for Bishop Auckland was branded audacious by Nimco Ali over what is likely seen as a stab in the back to Mrs Johnson, who heavily campaigned to help her achieve her historic win at the 2019 general election.
'Honestly can't believe the audacity of @DehennaDavison,' tweeted Ms Ali, 'Girl get a grip'.
The former reality TV star, 28, - who appeared on Bride and Prejudice with her 63-year-old husband - was considered a friend by the PM's wife, but is said to be miffed with Boris Johnson after two female Red Wall MPs were promoted ahead of her.
Downing Street is said to be particularly annoyed by Ms Davison's decision to join the mutinous scheme, which came despite her close friendship with Mrs Johnson.
The poster girl of the 2019 intake, Ms Davison ousted Labour Remainer Helen Goodman and won with a majority of 7,962 - the first time the Bishop Auckland seat voted Conservative since it was created in 1885.
A large part of the victory was down to the high profile support of Mrs Johnson, who afterwards tweeted her congratulations, saying she was thrilled to hear her friend had become the first Conservative MP for Bishop Auckland. 'She will be fantastic,' she wrote.
Ms Davison praised her friendship with Mrs Johnson, telling of how she was 'incredible and offered loads of support and advice' when she became one of the youngest MPs in the Commons after being elected aged just 26.
While Ms Davison has not spoken publicly about the plot, she is reported to be one of around 20 MPs who met in the office of Alicia Kearns, Tory MP for Melton Mowbray - home of the pork pie - to hatch a plan to remove the embattled PM, as they believe he is hurting their chances of re-election.
Here she is with partner...
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She has (of course) had a makeover since then...
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She is tidy. With a 63 yr old husband.Jesus. He has done well for himself.
Either that, or his has deep and full pockets.