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Quote from: Filo on January 23, 2021, 08:47:07 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 23, 2021, 08:44:12 pmWho was it that suggested 12 weeks between jabs though.Well I hope this is the answer you are looking for, because you probably already know, Tony Blair was the first one I heard mention it, but again he’s not an expertNo I didn’t know, which I why I asked.Blair might have been the first that you heard mention it but I can’t imagine that some other medical experts didn’t make the initial decision.
Quote from: drfchound on January 23, 2021, 08:44:12 pmWho was it that suggested 12 weeks between jabs though.Well I hope this is the answer you are looking for, because you probably already know, Tony Blair was the first one I heard mention it, but again he’s not an expert
Who was it that suggested 12 weeks between jabs though.
Quote from: drfchound on January 23, 2021, 08:49:06 pmQuote from: Filo on January 23, 2021, 08:47:07 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 23, 2021, 08:44:12 pmWho was it that suggested 12 weeks between jabs though.Well I hope this is the answer you are looking for, because you probably already know, Tony Blair was the first one I heard mention it, but again he’s not an expertNo I didn’t know, which I why I asked.Blair might have been the first that you heard mention it but I can’t imagine that some other medical experts didn’t make the initial decision.Ultimately it was Matt Hancock's decision.As he has said in the Commons, he is guided by the science, not led by it. He makes the decisions, not the scientists or Tony Blair.
Quote from: wilts rover on January 23, 2021, 10:07:05 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 23, 2021, 08:49:06 pmQuote from: Filo on January 23, 2021, 08:47:07 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 23, 2021, 08:44:12 pmWho was it that suggested 12 weeks between jabs though.Well I hope this is the answer you are looking for, because you probably already know, Tony Blair was the first one I heard mention it, but again he’s not an expertNo I didn’t know, which I why I asked.Blair might have been the first that you heard mention it but I can’t imagine that some other medical experts didn’t make the initial decision.Ultimately it was Matt Hancock's decision.As he has said in the Commons, he is guided by the science, not led by it. He makes the decisions, not the scientists or Tony Blair.Yep, I know he makes the decisions.However, as you say, guided by the science so I assume that experts in that field (scientists) made the twelve week suggestion.I was asking my question because it was said by Filo that experts have now said that the time difference between jabs should now be six weeks.Which set of experts are correct I wonder.
Once the elderly and maybe part of the risk groups have been vaccinated, there will be immense economic, social, political and perhaps also legal pressure to end the corona measures. And then, huge numbers of people will become infected within just a short amount of time, more than we can even imagine at the moment. We won't have 20,000 or 30,000 new cases a day, but up to 100,000 in a worst-case scenario. It will, of course, be primarily younger people who are less likely than older people to have severe symptoms, but when a huge number of younger people get infected, then the intensive care units will fill up anyway and a lot of people will die. Just that it will be younger people. We can cushion this terrible scenario somewhat by pushing the numbers way down now.
Very interesting interview with a leading German virologist.https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/interview-with-virologist-christian-drosten-i-am-quite-apprehensive-about-what-might-otherwise-happen-in-spring-and-summer-a-f22c0495-5257-426e-bddc-c6082d6434d5-amp?__twitter_impression=truetl:dr Just read this bit. Quote Once the elderly and maybe part of the risk groups have been vaccinated, there will be immense economic, social, political and perhaps also legal pressure to end the corona measures. And then, huge numbers of people will become infected within just a short amount of time, more than we can even imagine at the moment. We won't have 20,000 or 30,000 new cases a day, but up to 100,000 in a worst-case scenario. It will, of course, be primarily younger people who are less likely than older people to have severe symptoms, but when a huge number of younger people get infected, then the intensive care units will fill up anyway and a lot of people will die. Just that it will be younger people. We can cushion this terrible scenario somewhat by pushing the numbers way down now.This seems to me to be the next vital decision point. What do you do when the most vulnerable have been vaccinated? As he says, there will be enormous pressure to open up society and the economy.But if everyone over 50, say, has been jabbed, there will still be maybe 25-30 million 20-50 year olds who haven't got immunity. If we totally relax then the virus will rip through that demographic in weeks. Not many of them would normally die but a small percentage will get badly ill and need hospitalisation. And a very small percent of 25 million is WAY more than the NHS can cope with.Going to take some very careful handling. I wish I could be confident that our Govt will call that right, but they prioritised the economy over virus suppression last March, last September and last December, so I'm not pinning my hopes.
This I think sums up where we are perfectly:We end up with this weird notion floating around that the government is somehow oblivious or indifferent to the manufacturer’s/scientists advice rather than the truth - of course they know the long term risks, they’re desperate (because the virus spread is out of control and overwhelming the NHS) and over a barrel of their own making, not stupid.https://twitter.com/barneyfarmer/status/1353291538609164288
But, I don't think that the public as a whole can take too much more of lockdown positions. Life is for living and there is a limit to how much people can take.
And the alternative BFYP?
Thought the 12 week decision was made by the Chief Medical Officer
Quote from: ravenrover on January 24, 2021, 03:12:49 pmThought the 12 week decision was made by the Chief Medical OfficerI wondered how long it would be before someone came up with the proper answer Raven.Glad you didn’t go round the houses like crime others have done.