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I notice that you two didn’t correct River Don when he backed up ravens point that the decision was made by the Chief Medical Officer.Mind you, he is on your side.
I wasn't correcting anyone Hound. I was stating a fact.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 24, 2021, 08:57:47 pmI wasn't correcting anyone Hound. I was stating a fact. How strange that you randomly came up with it straight after I posted about it.Amazing.
Come on Filo.You know who backs who up on this site.Out of interest though, how does my asking a leading question stop me from having my own opinion.
Yes Hound. You're right. I sit here just waiting to trip you up and belittle you. And you fell into my trap again!
I didn't specifically back anyone up on that point Hound. I didn't know who took the 12 week decision, I knew the CMO thought it the best advice under the circumstances.I was more interested in highlighting that delaying the Oxford vaccine might well improve immunity to CV19, I don't think that's widely understood.
Quote from: drfchound on January 24, 2021, 09:20:59 pmCome on Filo.You know who backs who up on this site.Out of interest though, how does my asking a leading question stop me from having my own opinion.Nothing stops you having your own opinion, it’s just that no one has seen your opinions amongst the many leading questions you post, which by the way you appear to admit to
Quote from: drfchound on January 24, 2021, 09:20:59 pmCome on Filo.You know who backs who up on this site.Out of interest though, how does my asking a leading question stop me from having my own opinion.Well you appear to be telling other people that they don't have individual opinions.Somewhat arrogant I would have thought hound, not like you.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 24, 2021, 09:26:32 pmYes Hound. You're right. I sit here just waiting to trip you up and belittle you. And you fell into my trap again!I might as well start with you before going on to the rest of the gang.No, you probably don’t, but you do seem to jump on lots of my posts.
Quote from: River Don on January 24, 2021, 09:33:50 pmI didn't specifically back anyone up on that point Hound. I didn't know who took the 12 week decision, I knew the CMO thought it the best advice under the circumstances.I was more interested in highlighting that delaying the Oxford vaccine might well improve immunity to CV19, I don't think that's widely understood.I beg to differ RD (about not backin anyone up) but see posts 9623 and 9624.Very clear to see.
Quote from: drfchound on January 24, 2021, 09:50:57 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 24, 2021, 09:26:32 pmYes Hound. You're right. I sit here just waiting to trip you up and belittle you. And you fell into my trap again!I might as well start with you before going on to the rest of the gang.No, you probably don’t, but you do seem to jump on lots of my posts.Hound.I do wish there atmosphere in these discussions was less toxic and less assuming of the motives behind posts. So genuine thanks for accepting that I don't troll you in order to smack you down.There is a world of difference between robust, honest differences of opinion, and even arguing over what is factually correct, and nasty personal vendettas. It'd be grand if we all came from the angle of assuming no-one here was deliberately engaging in the latter. Then maybe fewer differences of opinion would spiral down into what effectively be one vendettas.
Quote from: drfchound on January 24, 2021, 09:53:49 pmQuote from: River Don on January 24, 2021, 09:33:50 pmI didn't specifically back anyone up on that point Hound. I didn't know who took the 12 week decision, I knew the CMO thought it the best advice under the circumstances.I was more interested in highlighting that delaying the Oxford vaccine might well improve immunity to CV19, I don't think that's widely understood.I beg to differ RD (about not backin anyone up) but see posts 9623 and 9624.Very clear to see.I made the point it wasn't a decision taken without careful consideration. In quoting Raven I wasn't agreeing the CMO made it. TBH it didn't cross my mind that it was particularly significant point when I made the post.
To reply to the numerous replies, I don't know the answers and it's not necessarily my view. A conversation with a colleague came up the other day and it did make me see a little more the argument that I wouldn't necessarily favour that we should live lives more openly. That and seeing the impact on my close family getting more pronounced by the day.As a society we cannot take it for years and years. The list of losses to all of our lives is huge. I think we have a bit more in us yet but there is a limit before as a society we cannot take it anymore.But, how do we weigh that up versus the impact on health services? At some point society will fold and I don't know the way out of that. Overall we have to hope the vaccine does enough to make the risks acceptable.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 24, 2021, 10:08:03 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 24, 2021, 09:50:57 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 24, 2021, 09:26:32 pmYes Hound. You're right. I sit here just waiting to trip you up and belittle you. And you fell into my trap again!I might as well start with you before going on to the rest of the gang.No, you probably don’t, but you do seem to jump on lots of my posts.Hound.I do wish there atmosphere in these discussions was less toxic and less assuming of the motives behind posts. So genuine thanks for accepting that I don't troll you in order to smack you down.There is a world of difference between robust, honest differences of opinion, and even arguing over what is factually correct, and nasty personal vendettas. It'd be grand if we all came from the angle of assuming no-one here was deliberately engaging in the latter. Then maybe fewer differences of opinion would spiral down into what effectively be one vendettas.If only that could happen.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 24, 2021, 10:44:50 pmTo reply to the numerous replies, I don't know the answers and it's not necessarily my view. A conversation with a colleague came up the other day and it did make me see a little more the argument that I wouldn't necessarily favour that we should live lives more openly. That and seeing the impact on my close family getting more pronounced by the day.As a society we cannot take it for years and years. The list of losses to all of our lives is huge. I think we have a bit more in us yet but there is a limit before as a society we cannot take it anymore.But, how do we weigh that up versus the impact on health services? At some point society will fold and I don't know the way out of that. Overall we have to hope the vaccine does enough to make the risks acceptable.The vaccine isn't going to end restrictions. The tone from the government had completely changed. The vaccine is needed to stop you getting ill. The chances of going back to any kind of normality are going to be a pipe dream for a long long time. International travel as we were used to is finished. We have to accept that normal life is going to be very very different than what we know
Quote from: wilts rover on January 24, 2021, 09:42:50 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 24, 2021, 09:20:59 pmCome on Filo.You know who backs who up on this site.Out of interest though, how does my asking a leading question stop me from having my own opinion.Well you appear to be telling other people that they don't have individual opinions.Somewhat arrogant I would have thought hound, not like you.Wilts, thanks for the kind words but I have to say that me saying that certain posters back up others isn’t suggesting that each one doesn’t have their own opinions (in my opinion of course).However there is often a collective “putting down” effect in response to something I might have posted.I do sometimes ask questions of course.