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I vote for a big brawl in car park 1 to put an end to the repetitive debates.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 06:54:20 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on July 18, 2018, 06:51:30 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 06:32:17 pmI know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently. Given that Ferguson has never said anything in public about why he left, I'm sure we'd all be interested to know what you think you know.What I think I know 🙄 Ok Glyn. Ah, so he told you in person and that it was a secret, eh?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on July 18, 2018, 06:51:30 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 06:32:17 pmI know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently. Given that Ferguson has never said anything in public about why he left, I'm sure we'd all be interested to know what you think you know.What I think I know 🙄 Ok Glyn.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 06:32:17 pmI know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently. Given that Ferguson has never said anything in public about why he left, I'm sure we'd all be interested to know what you think you know.
I know why Ferguson left, it was just portrayed differently.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 07:26:08 pmIf we start the season with the squad we have now then yes I’d be predicting bottom half at xmas. Once the season starts I’ll be back to my rose tinted, blinkered best 😉But looking at us at the minute it’s a big worry That’s your opinion dickos but your like a dog with a bone, anyone who has a differing opinion you attack it and reiterate yours again and you do it in every thread you post in.
If we start the season with the squad we have now then yes I’d be predicting bottom half at xmas. Once the season starts I’ll be back to my rose tinted, blinkered best 😉But looking at us at the minute it’s a big worry
Quote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 05:28:27 pmQuote from: wesisback on July 18, 2018, 04:40:05 pmQuote from: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 02:15:37 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 02:05:08 pmMartin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in. Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.Nothing is cut and dried.https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"This is kind of what I mean, we’re just being fed what we want to hear Or possibly in negotiations the agent tried to get the offer upped from Crawley and exaggerated what we had offered. Or we just pay more than them and it was low compared to the rest of our players average.It seems people want an eastenders saga
Quote from: wesisback on July 18, 2018, 04:40:05 pmQuote from: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 02:15:37 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 02:05:08 pmMartin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in. Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.Nothing is cut and dried.https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"This is kind of what I mean, we’re just being fed what we want to hear
Quote from: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 02:15:37 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 02:05:08 pmMartin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in. Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.Nothing is cut and dried.https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"
Quote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 02:05:08 pmMartin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in. Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.Nothing is cut and dried.
Martin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in. Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me
Quote from: DearneValleyRover on July 18, 2018, 07:34:17 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 07:26:08 pmIf we start the season with the squad we have now then yes I’d be predicting bottom half at xmas. Once the season starts I’ll be back to my rose tinted, blinkered best 😉But looking at us at the minute it’s a big worry That’s your opinion dickos but your like a dog with a bone, anyone who has a differing opinion you attack it and reiterate yours again and you do it in every thread you post in.Not really no, the original post simply asked if the budget is bigger than last year then why isn’t it being used. Maybe it will be, but if we don’t sign any more experienced players then the conclusion is the budget isn’t as big. Nobody can suggest to me that McCann wouldn’t want to sign better players if he had the money to do so
Quote from: mpc123 on July 18, 2018, 05:34:13 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 05:28:27 pmQuote from: wesisback on July 18, 2018, 04:40:05 pmQuote from: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 02:15:37 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 18, 2018, 02:05:08 pmMartin I’ve not suggested that the budget has been slashed at all.I’ve re read my post and you can read it that way, what I meant was I understand that if they were slashing the budget they wouldn’t want us to know this, I didn’t mean they have.My estimates? Williams, baudry, evina et al were on more than the players that have come in. Trying to suggest otherwise is what worries me OK. But lets look at your 3 players, Evina was on peanuts, Baudry wasn't on a high wage either, he came to us with a question around his fitness and was paid accordingly. That only leaves Williams. And that doesn't take into account having to renegotiate contracts for some of our players that we want to keep for the future.Nothing is cut and dried.https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/cedric-evina-offered-very-good-salary-by-doncaster-rovers-claims-crawley-boss-1-6728173Before anyone harps the usual hollow words I'll say it for you "I think I'd rather be trusting the words of our owners than these numerous other sources"This is kind of what I mean, we’re just being fed what we want to hear Or possibly in negotiations the agent tried to get the offer upped from Crawley and exaggerated what we had offered. Or we just pay more than them and it was low compared to the rest of our players average.It seems people want an eastenders sagaWe then renegotiated his contract to hold onto him for a longer period of time. Now I'm not one to call something smelling off, but Evina wasn't on peanuts. It isn't the a lack of spending that irks me it's the deceit.
I struggle with a lot of this I really do. And yet the maths are simple.Last season we had the 7th highest budget in the league (taken from the L1 SCMP benchmarking spreadsheet). We had one of the highest paid managers in the league.We finished 15th.This season we intend to spend more on the playing budget. Some deceit that.
Eh? Tommy Rowe has played for his whole career at Championship/League One, Copps obviously, Butler, Baudry have regularly played in League One, McCullough been with us in the Championship/League One...
Quote from: silent majority on July 18, 2018, 08:27:33 pmI struggle with a lot of this I really do. And yet the maths are simple.Last season we had the 7th highest budget in the league (taken from the L1 SCMP benchmarking spreadsheet). We had one of the highest paid managers in the league.We finished 15th.This season we intend to spend more on the playing budget. Some deceit that. I think the question should be why are we paying our players so much? Last season we didn’t have a player that had played above league 2 level the season before and yet we had the 7th highest budget?! Something is wrong.
As a point of order, Dickos did call for Ferguson to be sacked, so it is unfair to portray him as a blind happy clapper. The last guy was cack basically. He undershot expectations and budget in both seasons in League One. Being a flat track bully in League Two was not in the job description. Getting us competitive and out of League One certainly was. At no stage we were remotely this. The new guy may or may not be better. We shall wait and see.