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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Dutch Uncle on September 02, 2020, 05:48:43 pm
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Am thinking of trading my current car in and buying one, mainly for green reasons. Most of my driving is short town journeys.
Anyone got any experience, good or bad, and any recommendations? Currently looking at Hyundai Ioniq (dealer walkable from my house).
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Having the same thoughts myself. Anyone got any experience with a Prius?
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The last hybrid I had was rubbish. It was the front of an Escort welded onto the back of a Cavalier.
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Wey-hey!
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Best advice avoid any self charging hybrid rubbish you are just putting fuel in to run the motor to charge batteries.
Everything depends on size of vehicle, new or used etc, the Hyundai ioniq is supposed to be a great car and the all electric version are very good.
I understand the draw for a hybrid if you only do local driving but be wary of problems that if you don’t use the engine every now and again the fuel can sit in the tank and then cause problems when you do go to use it.
Recommend you watch either Fully charged or EVM on you tube, EVM is good as he is a Yorkshire man so knows how to save money
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Many thanks dknward.
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The last hybrid I had was rubbish. It was the front of an Escort welded onto the back of a Cavalier.
The French have a version of just the same thing - and they call it l'escalier. They claim it is several steps above. :lol:
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My in-laws drive one of those mini hybrids (countryman I think?) and he won't hear a bad word against it. He regularly makes the trip from Birmingham to ours without any problems, and he says it's saved him a fortune.
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I had toyota hybrids (Not a prius though)for about 6 years the last was a Auris and used to get about 45 to 50 to the gallon yes its fun to start with trying to keep it running on the electric motor as long as possible.
Its a long story but for all sorts of reasons I decided I didnt want another pcp car so got rid and looked for a little runabout but wanted an auto due to a serious back injury and after the hybrids I'd just got used to them.
Anyway I came across a big runabout an 07 plate volvo s40 2.4 dirty diesel auto, full main dealer history and only 55k I get an average of about 44 to the gallon not that much different really yeh ok ive now got road tax on top
I never had any trouble with the hybrids but was a bit disappointed with the true mpg
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Dagenham..
I've heard that said specifically about the Auris. That no-one ever gets close to the Toyota claim for mpg. Not heard anyone say that about a Prius.
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Depends on whether you are buying new or used I guess.
Hybrids are a transition tech, for people with range anxiety.
The new battery range is much higher than 5 years ago, so I would expect hybrids to fade away in the near future.
Trouble is the second hand market only gives the older models with more limited range.
Prices are likely to fall quite quickly going forwards, but new at the moment is relatively expensive.
Against that, the running cost per mile is much lower than petrol.....even better if you have solar panels on the house.
https://www.greencarguide.co.uk/
You could try leasing, if that works for you.
Try before you buy, like Rovers with the loans!
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Dagenham..
I've heard that said specifically about the Auris. That no-one ever gets close to the Toyota claim for mpg. Not heard anyone say that about a Prius.
I had a Yaris hybrid before the Auris I seem to remember i was getting closer to 60 but its a while ago but I was disappointed with the Auris I saw another in a car park when we were out and the owner came back I asked him out of interest and his mpg was similar would have probably been better off with the diesel variant
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Depends on whether you are buying new or used I guess.
Hybrids are a transition tech, for people with range anxiety.
The new battery range is much higher than 5 years ago, so I would expect hybrids to fade away in the near future.
Trouble is the second hand market only gives the older models with more limited range.
Prices are likely to fall quite quickly going forwards, but new at the moment is relatively expensive.
Against that, the running cost per mile is much lower than petrol.....even better if you have solar panels on the house.
https://www.greencarguide.co.uk/
You could try leasing, if that works for you.
Try before you buy, like Rovers with the loans!
Thanks for that info Albie. Very useful.
Second hand for me and relatively old second hand at that. I do enough long drives to make range a key issue.
I'd love to move to to a full electric car eventually but one point that concerns me is I have on-street parking. Is there any way of getting charging from the house to an on-street car?
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Your Leccy utility will have a scheme to subsidise an electric charger on your property, if you have a drive for example.
On street parkers will be charging up at rapid chargers, which are springing up at leisure centres and supermarkets etc.
Rovers would be a good place to charge up, once set up.
Zap Map has the up to date charging info;
https://www.zap-map.com/
It is changing very quickly.
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Connected kerb do solutions for on street parking.
Mg are bringing out a new car mg5 ev in a few weeks it's an estate car with approx 220 range as a minimum should be around 20k
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Your Leccy utility will have a scheme to subsidise an electric charger on your property, if you have a drive for example.
On street parkers will be charging up at rapid chargers, which are springing up at leisure centres and supermarkets etc.
Rovers would be a good place to charge up, once set up.
Zap Map has the up to date charging info;
https://www.zap-map.com/
It is changing very quickly.
Cheers Albie
I'll keep an eye on it, but we don't have a drive.
dkn. Thanks for that info - I'll look into Connected Kerb.
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BST / DU I lease a 330e (old shape) through work and would say the very limited electric range works for me pottering about town but in general its a tax thing more than anything. The hybrid version is 100 per month cheaper than the petrol or diesel versions due to this. If leasing its great, if buying I suspect you would not make enough savings to justify the extra purchase cost
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Take a look at Honestjohn and the real MPGs of the Hybrids
I have had 6 Hybrids in a row and as with the declared MPGs for all cars I reckon that 80% of what they say you will get - you get. So 60 = 48 for example
My first Prius I was actually getting 55mph on average - and had the stats to "prove" it (it was booked at 72 so not far off my 80% therory).
Prius in general a very good car and my second was a beauty. I introduced my Seat buddy at Rovers to them and he is on his fourth now and getting towards 70 mpg in real terms by dint of netter Battery power / storage and the way he drives it
The "trick" is driving them to maximise the mpg - by pulling away using the electric power - by lifting in places where you are not supposed to do 30+ and use the Battery to its max. You see its charging status building up on the superb graphics and if you are determined you could then empty it (only about a mile at 30 mph) and then start charging it again - the latter happens "automatically" or sub consciously I suppose and you can do it whether you cruise to traffic lights that are on red and you now you are going to stop anyway or use the regenerative braking etc
Points to note on all hybrids - they are much better in warm weather than cold weather so in the USA for example drivers in States bordering the Canadian border KNOW they will not do as well MPG wise as California residents. I found that with every hybrid I have had Summer better than winter and long journeys better than short shopping trips several times a day
Another "problem" people dont think of and again common to every Hybrid I have had is the noise it makes (or more correctly does not make). In town centres and even moreso in Supermarket Car Parks people dont hear you coming and step out right in front of your car. You have to be really aware of that and be their eyes for them.
Then they see you and jump up (usually) or back - and as the driver you have a certain smile always the same smile - reserved for just that situation. I have had hundreds of such smiles !
Then once I was in a leafy Budapest street on a sunny summer day. There was nothing coming and having looked the wrong way by tradition right left right instead of L-R-L - I stepped out to cross the road. A Prius had joined from the side street and the driver braked and let me jump backwards out of his way. Needless to say I recognised HIS smile and what it meant !
One other problem - the Catalytic convertors are targetted on Prius and certin other hybrids and can be stolen in minutes. The industry is working (its says) to solve the problem.
That said the Prius is great.
However I graduated to the Hybrid Rav. I used to have one ages ago that was a brilliant Car but that did only 27mpg giving a range of say 11x27 or around 300 in total and I got rid of it and waited for it to change to Hybrid or electric and years later eventually it did.
I had 2 in a row and could not fault it and got 42 mpg (real figures). I get them on PCP deals each 2 years and was in for a 3rd in a row when Mrs DW stepped in and as a non driver selected a Lexus for me to have. It is an NX which is Rav like (but NOT a Rav) and mpg is "just" 38 in good weather but I suppose it is 2.5 Litre and perm 4 WD so I suppose it was to be expected
However having reviewed the above Cars I was deffo going to have an all Electric car like a Leaf (dealer wasnt interested in serving me and suggested I look at the online). I made my excuses and headed for Nissan at Scunny but they had upped sticks to Lincoln and so I shelved that.
A Niro would have been good but it and its twin Hyundai Kona were both a 6 month minumum lead time - and whilst the dealers were symapthetic they could not provide what I wanted for months - and I needed one in a short time
Whether Corona will put paid to this I dont know but Lexus are bringing out an all electric UX version and I was VERY impressed with that * (Nissan Juke sized) and it is slated at 196 range which would do me just fine - and so I hope to give that a go if they bring it out
* Hope this helps those asking above and as a ps I really dislike cars. I am not fussed what I have usually and see them as strictly A to B. The one I have now is virtually a wheel borne computer - with talking text - radio I can change by voice - handles that light up as I approach at night etc etc etc and it means nowt to me. Its still just a car
In its favour the CAT is virtually impossible to get to - and it has a tilt alarm but will the thieves realise that ?
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Many thanks for that review DW :thumbsup:
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No problem - I did mean to add that if you had any more specific questions I will gladly answer them
I favoured the RAV over the Prius simply becasue at 6'5" tall it was far easier to get in and out of. My mates Prius really is a superb Car
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Cheers DW. Very helpful.
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Had a Mitsubishi Outlander hybrid a year or two back.
Completely pointless. Less than 20 miles from a full charge, and a combined MPG of less than 20mpg.
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Good interesting stuff Wolf, I have said before but will repeat that my friends had a taxi in Cairns and the only time they made a real profit rather than wages was when they started running a Prius, rather than a standard car.
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Put your postcode in, and your preference, to see what is available near you;
https://www.theaa.com/used-cars/displaycars?keywordsearch=electric%20&fullpostcode=DN45JW&travel=20&sortby=priceasc&pricefrom=0&priceto=1000000&fueltype=Electric
Gives an indication of second hand electric prices. Hybrids will be there as well, under that search.
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I wouldn't bother with anything that plugs in. At the moment self charging would be my preferred option. Plug in electric/hybrid cars will be the Betamax VCR's of tomorrow once battery technology improves and you can just go and swap battery units. I work in the trade and the plug in hybrids we sell are a total waste of time and get nowhere near their claimed range. Suzuki do a good range of easily affordable reliable hybrids, but if you have a bit more cash to play with Subaru have the self charging e-boxer engine which is bullet proof. by the way I don't work for either of these companies but in my honest opinion they are the best.
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I've got a Toyota Auris hybrid as my company car.
I was sceptical at First, mainly because I didn't like the idea of having to drive an automatic all day. But to be fair, it's a decent car, on the power mode it shifts adequately and the electric motor will go up to 45mph if the rev needle is in eco, which is pretty good.
And the battery charges up through some fancy technology that pushed charge in when coasting and braking, so it's a very eco friendly option.
The only negative is Kwik Fit, who I used to use for servicing as per the lease company request when I had my old diesel Astra, said they can't touch hybrids due to the complex nature of the technology. So I guess the only downside is the extortionate service bills from the main dealer....luckily I don't have to cough up for those!
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Tonight on ITV was about electric cars.
You can see it on catch-up;
https://www.itv.com/hub/tonight/1a2803a1256
Not too bad, but I reckon the fella advocating Hydrogen was pushing the boat out.
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Hydrogen is pointless takes so much energy to convert into a useable fuel for cars is huge. It has its place in say lorries or buses but passenger cars work excellent for batteries.
Most new battery cars can do around 150 to 200 miles which at average traveling speeds is around 3 hours driving and most will charge to 80 percent in 20 mins which is enough time at a motorway service stations to get a drink and use a toilet and then get on the road again.
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.....if there are enough charging points available without having to wait for one to become free for use.
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.... by those Cars that are Petrol etc. The charging spaces have become the new Disabled spots as they are really close t the front of the Stores (Asda Doncaster for example)
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My Son specialises in Electric vehicles at the dealer he works at, he uses an App to find the nearest charge point and if it's empty or in use. He usually pops to the Lakeside shopping outlet which offered FREE charging.
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Hydrogen is pointless takes so much energy to convert into a useable fuel for cars is huge. It has its place in say lorries or buses but passenger cars work excellent for batteries.
Most new battery cars can do around 150 to 200 miles which at average traveling speeds is around 3 hours driving and most will charge to 80 percent in 20 mins which is enough time at a motorway service stations to get a drink and use a toilet and then get on the road again.
Hydrogen is touted as the next green fuel but only when produced using green energy.
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.... by those Cars that are Petrol etc. The charging spaces have become the new Disabled spots as they are really close t the front of the Stores (Asda Doncaster for example)
This is referred to as being ICEd (internal combustion engine).
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.... nice one - I will remember that one !
I havent as yet got an all electric Car but this still bugs me as does taking Disabled spots - JUST to be 10 yards nearer the shop
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I would think one of the main reasons for that is so the charging point are nearer to the power source?
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Yes they tend to be nearer the Store in general terms but at a new build "estate" in Thorne they have been put half way across Car Park
They have put in 2 banks of 5 (may be 6) and they are always full of non-electric vehicles- in fact only ever perhaps seen 5 to 6 cars charging up there - so its a win win for the lazy parkers
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It's quite a different scene here with both hybrid and full electric cars they are expensive and so very few of them. I'm not even sure I've seen a charging point yet. Have just googled it and there some in the city and a few scattered around.
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Latest UK sales figures now out;
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/05/uk-in-august-9-75-electric-vehicle-market-share-more-than-2x-year-on-year/
It will be interesting to see how it is boosted by VW entering the UK market in a big way into 2021.
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Thanks Albie, that's amazing. We have reluctant goverenments that want to do nothing about Climate Change Action and petrol is too cheap.
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It's quite a different scene here with both hybrid and full electric cars they are expensive and so very few of them. I'm not even sure I've seen a charging point yet. Have just googled it and there some in the city and a few scattered around.
Here they are everywhere and as far as I know there are the following "just" in Thorne
In Thorne 10 or 12 at Aldi / B&M Car park
2 at Lidl
2 at Kings Chambers
1 or 2 Stanilands / The barge Inn
2 at M18/M180 Junction Services
... and for those that know it there is even one at The Green Tree (now Stonehouse) just outside Thorne
Here is a Map of Doncaster showing outlets https://www.zap-map.com/live/ or it will if you have to enter Doncaster
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It's quite a different scene here with both hybrid and full electric cars they are expensive and so very few of them. I'm not even sure I've seen a charging point yet. Have just googled it and there some in the city and a few scattered around.
Here they are everywhere and as far as I know there are the following "just" in Thorne
In Thorne 10 or 12 at Aldi / B&M Car park
2 at Lidl
2 at Kings Chambers
1 or 2 Stanilands / The barge Inn
2 at M18/M180 Junction Services
... and for those that know it there is even one at The Green Tree (now Stonehouse) just outside Thorne
Here is a Map of Doncaster showing outlets https://www.zap-map.com/live/ or it will if you have to enter Doncaster
I think there are 2 at Stanilands and a Tesla supercharger, but everytime I’ve been there they are taken up as normal parking spaces
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The new Aldi in Bradford has four or five I think.
They were empty last Saturday even though fairly near the door. I suppose it also depends how busy it is and what the weather is like unfortunately.
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An approximation of numers Uk above Oz below
''The electric car market is growing quickly, with more than 136,600 pure-electric cars on UK roads at the end of July 2020 - and over 330,800 plug-in models including plug-in hybrids (PHEVs). The most recent set of figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) show that pure-electric models accounted for 4.7% of total new car registrations, whilst adding in PHEVs takes that figure up to 9%''
https://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/
The total stock of plug-in electric vehicles is almost 12,000 with 6,718 of these electric cars sold in 2019 alone with the other sales occurring between 2012 and 2018.[4][5][6] A further 14,253 electric vehicles were registered in early 2020 which is nearly double the registrations of the previous year.[7] The Mitsubishi Outlander P-HEV was the country's top selling plug-in electric vehicle, with over 2,906 plug-in hybrid SUVs sold through March 2018.[3] However, Tesla accounted for 70% of the 6,718 electric car sales in 2019 with the Tesla Model 3 compromising two-thirds of electric car sales in the year.[8] The electric Tesla Model X and Model 3 are Australia's second and third most safest cars.[9] While the Mercedes-Benz all-electric EQC was named the best car in Australia in 2019.[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Australia
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Tesco have teamed up with VW in the UK to install chargers;
https://www.motoringelectric.com/charging/how-find-nearest-tesco-electric-charging-point/
Once a big beast does this, all the others will have to follow suit.
With the unauthorised parking in electric bays, how long will it be before parking enforcement realises this will be a good earner to police?
I reckon this will be clamped down pretty soon!
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Agree that they could monetise it but then again there are plenty of opportunities to do the same with :
....people using Disabled spaces incorrectly - when they have no Blue Badge - when the person who is entitled to the Blue Badge ia not in the Car with them - when the Blue Badge Holder IS in the Car but the other person goes to the Shop etc etc
.... people misusing Parent and Child spots in many ways
.... people taking up more than one space in a Car Park sometimes even 4 if they park to maximise their chances of their car not being scratched (see Parking like a t**t in Donny on Facebook)
All these cash cows offer potential for Stores to make money but I the Supermarkets ignore them so as to not rock the boat / offend their customers
Good to see yesterday that daft people had left Cars parked on Yellow Lines but also half on Pavement at the Keepmoat Car Boot yesterday - one was literally 10 yards from the Car Park 2 Gate - and they had all picked up a Ticket.
It was £1.50 to park I think but for that you had to walk from the Car Park near XP College of course - which is m-i-l-e-s ! It is cheaper than whatever they will have to pay now - £90 maybe
... and yes I am great fun at parties
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Latest UK sales figures now out;
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/05/uk-in-august-9-75-electric-vehicle-market-share-more-than-2x-year-on-year/
It will be interesting to see how it is boosted by VW entering the UK market in a big way into 2021.
Will the new VW's will have a emissions-compliance "defeat" device installed.....? :whistle:
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Agree that they could monetise it but then again there are plenty of opportunities to do the same with :
....people using Disabled spaces incorrectly - when they have no Blue Badge - when the person who is entitled to the Blue Badge ia not in the Car with them - when the Blue Badge Holder IS in the Car but the other person goes to the Shop etc etc
.... people misusing Parent and Child spots in many ways
.... people taking up more than one space in a Car Park sometimes even 4 if they park to maximise their chances of their car not being scratched (see Parking like a t**t in Donny on Facebook)
All these cash cows offer potential for Stores to make money but I the Supermarkets ignore them so as to not rock the boat / offend their customers
Good to see yesterday that daft people had left Cars parked on Yellow Lines but also half on Pavement at the Keepmoat Car Boot yesterday - one was literally 10 yards from the Car Park 2 Gate - and they had all picked up a Ticket.
It was £1.50 to park I think but for that you had to walk from the Car Park near XP College of course - which is m-i-l-e-s ! It is cheaper than whatever they will have to pay now - £90 maybe
... and yes I am great fun at parties
£60, £30 if you pay within 14 days. They never, ever come round the roads round the ground. Except they did at the playoff semi final last year and got me. :facepalm: :laugh:
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Many thanks for many very helpful replies.
As an update I have actually gone ahead and agreed a trade with the Hyundai dealer whereby I get a one year old Ioniq with 10K miles, he gets my 4 and a half year old diesel Tiguan due an MOT and needing work, and the difference I pay is more or less the money I have unfortunately saved by having to cancel a luxury holiday in Crete with my wife being a shielded person (managed to get full refunds including from Easyjet).
I am happy to be rid of my first (and last) diesel car and be greener. I am less happy with automatic but I am sure a couple of weeks will sort that out.
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Automatic - brilliant concept
Once I tried it in USA I swore I would never ever drive a geared car again. 2 pedals ideal. Press one to go and the other to stop
Crawling traffic on MWay for 10 miles involve hundred of gear changes and the bloke to your right is doing them again and again and so is your car lol !
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Agreed Wolf.
I've never had an automatic car myself but had lots of auto hire cars. I cannot see the attraction of manuals anymore. And it'll save my marriage too. The number of times I gently say to Mrs S-T, "Err...you're still in 4th" at 80 on the motorway...
I'm picking up a Prius later this week. Going to be interesting seeing what that's like.
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Automatic are brilliant just put your left foot against your seat otherwise if you go for the clutch which has happened to people I know which results in a emergency stop when catching the break pedal
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I would never go back to a manual it wont take long to get used to it
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Many thanks for many very helpful replies.
As an update I have actually gone ahead and agreed a trade with the Hyundai dealer whereby I get a one year old Ioniq with 10K miles, he gets my 4 and a half year old diesel Tiguan due an MOT and needing work, and the difference I pay is more or less the money I have unfortunately saved by having to cancel a luxury holiday in Crete with my wife being a shielded person (managed to get full refunds including from Easyjet).
I am happy to be rid of my first (and last) diesel car and be greener. I am less happy with automatic but I am sure a couple of weeks will sort that out.
Me and the wife have had automatics for years and years.
You won’t go back to manual gear change Dutch.
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Automatic are brilliant just put your left foot against your seat otherwise if you go for the clutch which has happened to people I know which results in a emergency stop when catching the break pedal
I'll tell you my favourite ever anecdote on that score when I've got time.
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The only problem that I had wasn't getting used to the automatic. I forgot to put the clutch in crawling to the lights in the wife's manual. Two embarrassing stalls later and no problems in either format after that.
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I have driven automatics for years, I think they're still a little more expensive and a little less efficient but easy as.
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Automatic are brilliant just put your left foot against your seat otherwise if you go for the clutch which has happened to people I know which results in a emergency stop when catching the break pedal
I'll tell you my favourite ever anecdote on that score when I've got time.
Always got time BST not like we got anything else on
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Automatic are brilliant just put your left foot against your seat otherwise if you go for the clutch which has happened to people I know which results in a emergency stop when catching the break pedal
I'll tell you my favourite ever anecdote on that score when I've got time.
Always got time BST not like we got anything else on
Right. Here goes.
30 years ago, I was working as a structural engineer for a company in Sheffield. I was involved with a lot of design and maintenance work at football grounds across the North.
One Friday afternoon, I got a phone call from the Secretary at Bramall Lane. Said there was an emergency and the match the next day was in jeopardy if we didn't sort it out. Could I get down there immediately.
Jumped in the car and got down to the ground. In the car park, there's a flash Rover with its back end all smashed in. When I went to reception, there's a young lass crying and being comforted by one of the admin staff. Met the Secretary and he took me pitch side and over towards the away end, where there used to be a standing terrace below the upper seating part of the stand. There were crush barriers along the front of the terrace, and one length was bent and buckled. Clearly they couldn't stage the match the next day with the barriers knackered like that. Could we get the lads in from the steel fabrication company we used, to work all night to fix the barriers?
I phoned them up and got them to come down and while we were waiting, the Secretary tells me what happened.
Apparently every Friday, the apprentices took the Directors' cars through the emergency vehicle access entry to pitch side, to use the big hose pipes they used to water the pitch to wash the cars. Then they brought them back out to the car park spick and span.
For some reason, this day, they'd left Derek Dooley's car pitch side then clocked off. So they'd sent this young admin lass to go and get it.
Derek Dooley of course had his leg amputated after breaking it badly when playing for Sheffield Weds in the 50s or 60s, then getting gangrene. So he had an automatic. But it was his RIGHT leg that had been amputated, so this automatic had the accelerator and brake pedals switched so he could use his left foot.
This lass had started backing the car up, gone to press the brake and hit the accelerator instead. Revved the thing up and smashed it straight into the crush barriers.
Well b*llocks to you, I thought it was a good story.
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Wow that’s an awesome story poor lass bet she was jabbing the pedal thinking why won’t it slow down
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Apparantly F1 cars are set up brake on right too and also despite them supposedly being "fly by wire" the pundits have started emphasising just how hard it is to actually press the pedal hard enough to stop the car ?
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Agreed Wolf.
I've never had an automatic car myself but had lots of auto hire cars. I cannot see the attraction of manuals anymore. And it'll save my marriage too. The number of times I gently say to Mrs S-T, "Err...you're still in 4th" at 80 on the motorway...
I'm picking up a Prius later this week. Going to be interesting seeing what that's like.
You will be impressed I think but my big tip is to develop your "smile" ready for when people step in your path in Car Parks etc - although some of the very latest Models of Cars on sale now have to "play" a sound like an engine to prewarn pedestrians
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Wolf.
Yeah, that is a worry. Especially living in the Studentville part of Sheffield where they tend to walk into the road then look later.
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Wolf.
Yeah, that is a worry. Especially living in the Studentville part of Sheffield where they tend to walk into the road then look later.
Supermarket car parks are where you need to worry, idiots walking out blindly with trolleys
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They simply dont hear you coming - when my mate pulls away after dropping me off the noise is only the tyres on the road
So those in Car parks maybe chatting amongst themselves can be forgiven for not looking - and some of them could win the high jump from a standing start when they realise
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I have an automatic, never go back to manual now, it’s been a godsend this last 12 weeks while I’ve had a broken left ankle, and it makes towing the caravan a breeze
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You don't want a VW with a DSG gearbox. If that breaks so will your piggy bank.
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So I picked up a MK3 Prius at the weekend. I'm a convert already. Very impressed. 65mpg driving up hill and down dale in Derbyshire, where I used to struggle to get 35 with my old BMW520. And it goes like buggery if you put it in power box and floor it.
It makes so much sense. 130-odd HP there if you need it when you combine the engine and the battery. But unless you drive like a dick, you only need that briefly, so you can then get all the efficiency benefit.
I reckon it'll pay for itself in 4 years with what I'll save in fuel and tax savings compared to my old car.
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With Tesco and VW rolling out the charging points at stores, with free top up, the savings on fuel are going to be big;
https://pod-point.com/rollout/tesco-ev-charging
Everyone will know someone with EV soon....once that tipping point is reached, it will take off massively.
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I'm just waiting on the decent ones to come into my price range in the second hand market. Might be a few years yet like, I need something that doesn't take forever to charge and has decent range as I drive all over the country in normal times with Rovers.
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With Tesco and VW rolling out the charging points at stores, with free top up, the savings on fuel are going to be big;
https://pod-point.com/rollout/tesco-ev-charging
Everyone will know someone with EV soon....once that tipping point is reached, it will take off massively.
The only ones we are selling are to fleet customers (for tax reasons), the public at large are not taking them up.
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I've got a Merc c-class 350e, which is similar to the 330e BMW do. 2 litre petrol engine plus a 80kW ish electric motor mounted in series and through the gearbox. It can use the petrol engine and electric at the same time and does 0-62 in 5.8secs. Silly fast.
2 years old now and I've done 35000 miles in it, 12,000 with the engine off. My average mpg over this period is 60.1mpg. I charge it every night. Show me another 2 litre petrol car that can do that fuel economy. I popped out up to Wheatley Hall Road today, knocked into electric only mode and went there and back without the engine starting up once.
I'm just considering changing it to the CLA 250e, which is a 1.3 petrol unit but a bigger battery and more than double the electric only range. Sacrifices 1 second on the 0-62 time, but I'm OK with that.
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With Tesco and VW rolling out the charging points at stores, with free top up, the savings on fuel are going to be big;
https://pod-point.com/rollout/tesco-ev-charging
Everyone will know someone with EV soon....once that tipping point is reached, it will take off massively.
The only ones we are selling are to fleet customers (for tax reasons), the public at large are not taking them up.
I agree fleets will be the leader, given the current price of new EV.
Over the UK as a whole, the data supports that a big change is underway;
https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/
Maybe Axholme is a bit behind the curve, at the moment.
I reckon if you are in the industry, it is about positioning for 2/3 years down the line!
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The Government is expected to cut that death of petrol and diesel date by a few years soon too in support of Climate Emergency targets.
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You don't want a VW with a DSG gearbox. If that breaks so will your piggy bank.
Or Audi. My wife has an Audi A3 5yrs old and in May at 44,000 Miles the megatronic unit, which controls the DSG auto gearbox failed.
Megatronic unit, Clutch & fly wheel needed replacing. Mega bucks as out of 3 yr warranty. Audi Doncaster did not want to know nor did Audi head office.
Apparently this is far more common on Audi’s than you would want to imagine. Its an absolute disgrace.
Modern cars, well many of them are far too complicated and unreliable.
Apparently up to 3 yr old BMW’s are on breakdown trucks more than any other vehicles.
In the last 36 yrs since 1986 I have had 8 BMW’s and 2 Merc’s
The only problem i have had is with cars that were 1st registered from 2004 onwards. Previous to that no problems.
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You don't want a VW with a DSG gearbox. If that breaks so will your piggy bank.
Or Audi. My wife has an Audi A3 5yrs old and in May at 44,000 Miles the megatronic unit, which controls the DSG auto gearbox failed.
Megatronic unit, Clutch & fly wheel needed replacing. Mega bucks as out of 3 yr warranty. Audi Doncaster did not want to know nor did Audi head office.
Apparently this is far more common on Audi’s than you would want to imagine. Its an absolute disgrace.
Modern cars, well many of them are far too complicated and unreliable.
Apparently up to 3 yr old BMW’s are on breakdown trucks more than any other vehicles.
In the last 36 yrs since 1986 I have had 8 BMW’s and 2 Merc’s
The only problem i have had is with cars that were 1st registered from 2004 onwards. Previous to that no problems.
Audi, VW, Skoda and SEAT are all exactly the same units. As you say there is far too much technology on modern cars which most drivers don't want or don't know how to use. Manufacturers should be more concerned with reliability rather racing to more tech and how much you can integrate a smartphone into your car. Keep it simple.
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You are spot on there A.L.
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Some good numbers here!
''The electric car market is growing quickly, with more than 142,200 pure-electric cars on UK roads at the end of August 2020 - and over 339,000 plug-in models including plug-in hybrids (PHEVs). The most recent set of figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) show that pure-electric models accounted for 6.4% of total new car registrations, whilst adding in PHEVs takes that figure up to 10%.''
https://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/
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You don't want a VW with a DSG gearbox. If that breaks so will your piggy bank.
Or Audi. My wife has an Audi A3 5yrs old and in May at 44,000 Miles the megatronic unit, which controls the DSG auto gearbox failed.
Megatronic unit, Clutch & fly wheel needed replacing. Mega bucks as out of 3 yr warranty. Audi Doncaster did not want to know nor did Audi head office.
Apparently this is far more common on Audi’s than you would want to imagine. Its an absolute disgrace.
Modern cars, well many of them are far too complicated and unreliable.
Apparently up to 3 yr old BMW’s are on breakdown trucks more than any other vehicles.
In the last 36 yrs since 1986 I have had 8 BMW’s and 2 Merc’s
The only problem i have had is with cars that were 1st registered from 2004 onwards. Previous to that no problems.
Audi, VW, Skoda and SEAT are all exactly the same units. As you say there is far too much technology on modern cars which most drivers don't want or don't know how to use. Manufacturers should be more concerned with reliability rather racing to more tech and how much you can integrate a smartphone into your car. Keep it simple.
Agreed AL
The only thing I would like to see is Mobiles being integrated more to prevent people using them whilst holding them. I still see big 4x4s trapping on with the driver either holding the phone to call or probably worse safety wise texting or maybe emailing
I have had hands free in 5 different Cars going back 10 to 12 years and I am SURE they must have hands free in most new cars now so people should use that if they have it
Anyway gone off topic on an off topic thread - so we will have to start a new un !
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You don't want a VW with a DSG gearbox. If that breaks so will your piggy bank.
Or Audi. My wife has an Audi A3 5yrs old and in May at 44,000 Miles the megatronic unit, which controls the DSG auto gearbox failed.
Megatronic unit, Clutch & fly wheel needed replacing. Mega bucks as out of 3 yr warranty. Audi Doncaster did not want to know nor did Audi head office.
Apparently this is far more common on Audi’s than you would want to imagine. Its an absolute disgrace.
Modern cars, well many of them are far too complicated and unreliable.
Apparently up to 3 yr old BMW’s are on breakdown trucks more than any other vehicles.
In the last 36 yrs since 1986 I have had 8 BMW’s and 2 Merc’s
The only problem i have had is with cars that were 1st registered from 2004 onwards. Previous to that no problems.
Audi, VW, Skoda and SEAT are all exactly the same units. As you say there is far too much technology on modern cars which most drivers don't want or don't know how to use. Manufacturers should be more concerned with reliability rather racing to more tech and how much you can integrate a smartphone into your car. Keep it simple.
Agreed AL
The only thing I would like to see is Mobiles being integrated more to prevent people using them whilst holding them. I still see big 4x4s trapping on with the driver either holding the phone to call or probably worse safety wise texting or maybe emailing
I have had hands free in 5 different Cars going back 10 to 12 years and I am SURE they must have hands free in most new cars now so people should use that if they have it
Anyway gone off topic on an off topic thread - so we will have to start a new un !
The technology is built into most new cars nowadays. With Android Auto and Apple Carplay nobody needs to touch their phones at all whilst driving.
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And the alternate view.
''Electric cars won't solve our pollution problems – Britain needs a total transport rethink''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/23/electric-cars-transport-train-companies
''A switch to electric cars will reduce pollution. It won’t eliminate it, as a high proportion of the microscopic particles thrown into the air by cars, which are highly damaging to our health, arise from tyres grating on the surface of the road. Tyre wear is also by far the biggest source of microplastics pouring into our rivers and the sea. And when tyres, regardless of the engine that moves them, come to the end of their lives, we still have no means of properly recycling them''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/23/electric-cars-transport-train-companies
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We need Landspeeders from Star Wars.
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And the alternate view.
''Electric cars won't solve our pollution problems – Britain needs a total transport rethink''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/23/electric-cars-transport-train-companies
''A switch to electric cars will reduce pollution. It won’t eliminate it, as a high proportion of the microscopic particles thrown into the air by cars, which are highly damaging to our health, arise from tyres grating on the surface of the road. Tyre wear is also by far the biggest source of microplastics pouring into our rivers and the sea. And when tyres, regardless of the engine that moves them, come to the end of their lives, we still have no means of properly recycling them''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/23/electric-cars-transport-train-companies
Surely a world where there's more home working will help with this? Less cars on the roads.
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And the alternate view.
''Electric cars won't solve our pollution problems – Britain needs a total transport rethink''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/23/electric-cars-transport-train-companies
''A switch to electric cars will reduce pollution. It won’t eliminate it, as a high proportion of the microscopic particles thrown into the air by cars, which are highly damaging to our health, arise from tyres grating on the surface of the road. Tyre wear is also by far the biggest source of microplastics pouring into our rivers and the sea. And when tyres, regardless of the engine that moves them, come to the end of their lives, we still have no means of properly recycling them''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/23/electric-cars-transport-train-companies
Surely a world where there's more home working will help with this? Less cars on the roads.
Would you really never want to go out of the house. I couldn't think of anything worse. It's not good for you.
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Good thing they don't seal your doors and windows off from the outside the day you agree to work from home, isn't it? :)
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Good thing they don't seal your doors and windows off from the outside the day you agree to work from home, isn't it? :)
Maybe that's next on the agenda of barmy ideas?
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I'm just waiting on the decent ones to come into my price range in the second hand market. Might be a few years yet like, I need something that doesn't take forever to charge and has decent range as I drive all over the country in normal times with Rovers.
last time I checked on auto trador,. The cheapest ev in the country that wasn't a. Micro Car, was a 7k leaf. Stating a range of 50 miles!!!!!! And that's the issue, once they come down to a modest fee, the batteries are knackered, just like a 5yr old laptop!!
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Are they worth the money? the discounts available on diesel cars at the moment buys a lot of free mileage.
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I'd love something more environmentally friendly when I get a new car in a year's time. But looking ahead the price of electric and hybrid vehicles is ludicrous. Just cannot justify it.
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I'd love something more environmentally friendly when I get a new car in a year's time. But looking ahead the price of electric and hybrid vehicles is ludicrous. Just cannot justify it.
the environmental issue is the elephant in the room, the resources that go into an EV are far higher than a normal car. And they don't last as long, so you have to make another one at more environmental cost. The savings on the road with pollution are offset by the manufacturing costs to the earth. The savings of running costs, are offset by the redic expensive purchase prices.. Still struggling to see the advantage, and we haven't even got to charging times, cables accross pavements. Etc etc and on and on..
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I'd love something more environmentally friendly when I get a new car in a year's time. But looking ahead the price of electric and hybrid vehicles is ludicrous. Just cannot justify it.
the environmental issue is the elephant in the room, the resources that go into an EV are far higher than a normal car. And they don't last as long, so you have to make another one at more environmental cost. The savings on the road with pollution are offset by the manufacturing costs to the earth. The savings of running costs, are offset by the redic expensive purchase prices.. Still struggling to see the advantage, and we haven't even got to charging times, cables accross pavements. Etc etc and on and on..
I have a Subaru 2 litre AWD petrol engine that is coming up to four years old. I run it on Shell v power petrol and use only castrol fully synthetic engine oil. Properly maintained and serviced there is no reason why I shouldn't get 250-300k miles out of it. It will do 40-45 mpg all day long. To keep this running has got to be far more environmentally sound than trading in for an electric car considering how much carbon footprint and the like goes into producing a new electric car. At the end of the day if I traded it in someone else would buy it and run it so I might as well keep it.
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What car did a proper test with a 5 Yr old prius versus a 25 Yr old merc diesel taxi in Mumbai to decide which would cause the most enviromental damage. And the overriding conclusion was that you would need many prius's, each having huge resource used to build it to match the simple one off build of the merc. Lithium ion mining for the batteries isn't great.
We need something to replace fossil fuels, no one is arguing with that, but expensive limited life, short range, battery cars right now isn't the solution for 27 million UK motorists..
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One or two well oiled myths from the legacy car industry interests doing the rounds, here is the summary of the position;
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51977625
The most important point is the quote from Professor Marsden.
On the issue of lithium, the new generation of batteries use a different chemistry, looking to avoid rare earth elements and lithium. Replacement of these components with cheaper alternatives is the best way to reduce costs, and so purchase price.
Tesla claimed last week to have manufactured cells using the new chemistry...the other makers will do the same in quick time.
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Thanks Albie yes there is quite a bit of undermining going on. One of the problems that electric cars won't solve of course is congestion on the roads the only answer to that is community based living, shopping and working. Covid may provide the push towards this.
Japan does not have much roadside parking if any, when you think about it you pay for the privilege of owning a big lump of metal and plastic and glass that sits around taking up space for most of it's life either in a garage or on the street. Streets could be up to two lanes narrower where parking is allowed. That area that still has to be bitumen it could be park/grass.
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Thanks Albie yes there is quite a bit of undermining going on. One of the problems that electric cars won't solve of course is congestion on the roads the only answer to that is community based living, shopping and working. Covid may provide the push towards this.
Japan does not have much roadside parking if any, when you think about it you pay for the privilege of owning a big lump of metal and plastic and glass that sits around taking up space for most of it's life either in a garage or on the street. Streets could be up to two lanes narrower where parking is allowed. That area that still has to be bitumen it could be park/grass.
I'm all for more trees and grass but most councils prefer to build houses on it. Doncaster council have done an excellent job on destroying Auckleyand it's surroundings.
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The only thing I could suggest would be to get involved with the council and lobby councillors for what you want them to vote for ..... or not.
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The only thing I could suggest would be to get involved with the council and lobby councillors for what you want them to vote for ..... or not.
It would be a waste of time as they have all bought into the housing shortage myth.
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Leasing is probably the way to go for many with an EV;
https://www.newbusiness.co.uk/articles/vehicles/electric-vehicle-leasing-booms-91-government-incentives-saves-drivers-thousands-ye
Purchase prices will fall quite quickly in the next couple of years, so it might be better to hold on buying until then.
As an EV is 10x cheaper to run than a fossil fuel vehicle, the same economies apply to the electric bus.
If fuel costs are a high percentage of fare charges, then the cost of using public transport should reduce as well.
Some will think using the bus is a better option for them, if fares fall once the electric bus is the norm.
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Leasing is probably the way to go for many with an EV;
https://www.newbusiness.co.uk/articles/vehicles/electric-vehicle-leasing-booms-91-government-incentives-saves-drivers-thousands-ye
Purchase prices will fall quite quickly in the next couple of years, so it might be better to hold on buying until then.
As an EV is 10x cheaper to run than a fossil fuel vehicle, the same economies apply to the electric bus.
If fuel costs are a high percentage of fare charges, then the cost of using public transport should reduce as well.
Some will think using the bus is a better option for them, if fares fall once the electric bus is the norm.
What's a bus? I know we have a bus stop in West Butterwick but I've never actually seen a bus. Public transport is non existant out here.
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You don't want a VW with a DSG gearbox. If that breaks so will your piggy bank.
Or an Audi
Yes happened to my my wife’s A3 with only 43,000 miles on the clock a year ago last June.
Very expensive.
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Leasing is probably the way to go for many with an EV;
https://www.newbusiness.co.uk/articles/vehicles/electric-vehicle-leasing-booms-91-government-incentives-saves-drivers-thousands-ye
Purchase prices will fall quite quickly in the next couple of years, so it might be better to hold on buying until then.
As an EV is 10x cheaper to run than a fossil fuel vehicle, the same economies apply to the electric bus.
If fuel costs are a high percentage of fare charges, then the cost of using public transport should reduce as well.
Some will think using the bus is a better option for them, if fares fall once the electric bus is the norm.
What's a bus? I know we have a bus stop in West Butterwick but I've never actually seen a bus. Public transport is non existant out here.
I was speaking with a friend a couple of days ago who had his driving licence temporarily revoked following a bad head injury he had at work a year ago.
His girlfriend lives in Castleford and he lives in Hatfield.
The car journey used to take 25 to 35 minutes, depending on the time of day.
He has to now travel by bus and together with the travel and change busses it now takes him over four hours.
No wonder people want to keep using their cars.
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We all have more chance of seeing rocking horse s**t than private cars being banned from ownership.
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We all have more chance of seeing rocking horse s**t than private cars being banned from ownership.
As long as the Greens or Liberals don't win a GE!
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Is “ half man half biscuit” a hybrid band ?
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Hydrogen will be the fuel of the future, one of the big car manufacturers will go along with it and the rest will follow especially in the far East Asian countries.
The Aircraft Industry could lead the way on it as a fuel, the UK government being one of the biggest investors in it.
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Hydrogen will be the fuel of the future, one of the big car manufacturers will go along with it and the rest will follow especially in the far East Asian countries.
The Aircraft Industry could lead the way on it as a fuel, the UK government being one of the biggest investors in it.
None of the Japanese car manufacturers are going full on electric, i reckon they will perfect hydrogen and render EVs obsolete very quickly.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339169/Owner-blows-Tesla-protest-17-000-cost-replacing-battery-Finland.html?ito=facebook_share_fbia-top&fbclid=IwAR3zvYM1ap84FPAdBsdRC_Jc26rcAA-oPTyu7TJ_A3-fgN-hQpRpVcTSUz8
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Hydrogen will be the fuel of the future, one of the big car manufacturers will go along with it and the rest will follow especially in the far East Asian countries.
The Aircraft Industry could lead the way on it as a fuel, the UK government being one of the biggest investors in it.
None of the Japanese car manufacturers are going full on electric, i reckon they will perfect hydrogen and render EVs obsolete very quickly.
Toyota have made big investments in electric technology but so far have erred on the side of hybrids. Nissan are electric pioneers, particularly with the Leaf.
The new Hyundai all electric cars look impressive but like all these electric cars, it's a case of are they going to be worth it in the long run?... Hyundai are Korean though.
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Japan has no natural resources to speak of therefore they will transition to renewables as fast as they can.
''Japan's Subaru unveils first all-electric car, developed with Toyota
TOKYO, Nov 11 (Reuters) - Japan's Subaru Corp (7270.T) on Thursday unveiled its first all-electric vehicle (EV), the Solterra, the result of a two-year joint development project with its biggest shareholder, Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T).
The sports utility vehicle (SUV) launch comes amid accelerating demand for EVs as nations around the world tighten environmental regulation to cut carbon emissions. Toyota last month announced its version of a battery electric vehicle (BEV), the bZ4X''
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/japans-subaru-unveils-first-all-electric-car-developed-with-toyota-2021-11-11/
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Just read a report on a three year old Tesla car owner who has had to replace the battery units, and was hit with a £17,000 bill for his trouble.
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I had an absolute dogshit BMW 5 series. In the space of 12 months, the turbo blew, the manifold cracked then a big end disintegrated and I had to replace the engine.
Cost me over £10,000 in a year. I'm still waiting for the Mail to contact me to run a story.
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Just read a report on a three year old Tesla car owner who has had to replace the battery units, and was hit with a £17,000 bill for his trouble.
There was a story about a bloke in Finland who had to replace the batteries on his Tesla. They quoted him £16,000. So, he had it blown up and filmed it to put online.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/explosion-of-fury-from-tesla-driver-angry-with-repair-bill-76mhn9snt
I'm hanging on as long as I can before making the switch to electric. I'm not convinced the battery technology is up to scratch yet.
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Just buy a v8 605 bhp motor like me. Sod going green just yet :boxing: :chair:
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I had an absolute dogshit BMW 5 series. In the space of 12 months, the turbo blew, the manifold cracked then a big end disintegrated and I had to replace the engine.
Cost me over £10,000 in a year. I'm still waiting for the Mail to contact me to run a story.
Obviously outside the three years old warranty then. :chair:
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I know a bloke who worked for BMW. He left because he thought his role had no purpose and he wanted to do something worthwhile, something that would actually be of use.
He realised there was more to life than installing indicators on BMW's.
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One of my biggest bug bears that. Why can’t people use indicators?
Does it take a physical effort, no it’s just bone idleness and selfish. No thought for anyone else.
What is the problem with people. We are not all psychic.
Do 50% of cars not have indicators or something these days!!!
Oh and litter louts. Absolutely drives me potty seeing our streets covered in litter and as for those that litter the countryside, throwing rubbish out of the car window. Don’t get me started.
I seriously do not know what has happened to standards in this country.
Basic right and wrong. Education starts in the home and it seems it is a rare commodity these days.
Yes i know I have started a completely new thread.
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We've had a self charging Kia Niro for a few months, love it, no issues so far. Getting about 50mpg but generally do shorter journeys these days.
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Just had my first spin in our new BMW iX3, man it is rapid.
Didn't realise EVs had that much torque.
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''Comparing their rate of acceleration, Formula E can go from 0-100km/h in 2.8 seconds. F1 just pips them to the post, reaching the same speeds in an impressive 2.6 seconds. It is important to remember that F1 has had many decades to develop and improve their technology to become the speediest racing cars on earth''
Try and time how long and electric motor takes to get up to speed.
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My Prius doesn't have a massive amount of power at high speed.
But f**k me it takes off from a standing start if you kick down and the electric motor supplements the petrol engine.
It'll outrun all but the fastest ICE cars for the first 40-50 yards from a standing start.
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Anyone got a Hyundai Kona? The range really appeals to me and just about squeaks into the top end of my budget for a car subscription.
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My Prius doesn't have a massive amount of power at high speed.
But f**k me it takes off from a standing start if you kick down and the electric motor supplements the petrol engine.
It'll outrun all but the fastest ICE cars for the first 40-50 yards from a standing start.
Always amusing when the car next to you is revving and you're sat there knowing you've got engine and battery set to go.
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If you buy a hybrid you obviously have to get the petrol engine etc serviced is there any additional servicing for the electric side and if so how much
Likewise do full on electric engines also need servicing as regularly as petrol/diesel cars
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My daughter has just trialled a Kia £37, 100 pounds new all electric car and gone to Leicester, Cambridge, and Ipswich, with a view to test them for the company fleet.
She is not very impressed at all, charging points that don't work, having to go out of your way to find a charging point, wasted time while charging, in Ipswich the point is on an hotel car park that charges a parking fee.
Only used rapid charges and overall cost about 15p a mile about the same cost per mile as my own diesel now the price has gone up.
Needless to say she wouldn't have one thrown at her, an extra one and a half hours extra travelling up from Ipswich, and stressful, putting the heater on came up with the warning the range was cut by 40 miles on the dash board.
Probably a different story if you can charge at home and go short journeys, but millions will not have that facility.
Am I the only one that thinks it is a cynical move to get the riff raff off the roads, after all the Labour Party once considered making one of the lanes of the M25 just for V.I.P.'s only.
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Fleets are moving rapidly into EV (not hybrids) when renewing the stock;
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest-fleet-news/electric-fleet-news/2022/02/15/record-levels-of-interest-on-implementing-an-ev-fleet-policy
The availability of charging points is unequally distributed across the UK at present, and that needs to be remedied.
Zap Map gives you a heads up on the charging availability as it stands;
https://www.zap-map.com/
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Her all round experience was not very encouraging,
1) she found it a strange experience you just cant jump in and drive off, you have things to do like disconnect and check the range, and even top up if necessary.
2) At one charge point it would not accept her app for payment and she had to go through another app on her phone so you could need a number of payment options.
3) not all charge points work, her local point at Normanton for instance non of the three charges were in use.
4) as said in Ipswich she also had to pay a parking fee as the charger was on a car park with number plate access.
5) Not all charge points are in places that a woman can be at ease at night when alone, and the time there waiting the charge time is disconcerting.
6) use things like heaters in winter and the charge disapears very quickly.
7) The car was lovely, just needed an engine of some kind.
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Her all round experience was not very encouraging,
1) she found it a strange experience you just cant jump in and drive off, you have things to do like disconnect and check the range, and even top up if necessary.
2) At one charge point it would not accept her app for payment and she had to go through another app on her phone so you could need a number of payment options.
3) not all charge points work, her local point at Normanton for instance non of the three charges were in use.
4) as said in Ipswich she also had to pay a parking fee as the charger was on a car park with number plate access.
5) Not all charge points are in places that a woman can be at ease at night when alone, and the time there waiting the charge time is disconcerting.
6) use things like heaters in winter and the charge disapears very quickly.
7) The car was lovely, just needed an engine of some kind.
All very valid points. Don't worry once Boris and his boss Carrie have gone all this will be on a back burner for years.
One thing i have noticed is that many of the people who buy electric cars are a bit 'different'...
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I lease through work AL and all the incentives are now pushing towards full EV. Chances are next car will be one because of that, not through any environmental choice
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Her all round experience was not very encouraging,
1) she found it a strange experience you just cant jump in and drive off, you have things to do like disconnect and check the range, and even top up if necessary.
2) At one charge point it would not accept her app for payment and she had to go through another app on her phone so you could need a number of payment options.
3) not all charge points work, her local point at Normanton for instance non of the three charges were in use.
4) as said in Ipswich she also had to pay a parking fee as the charger was on a car park with number plate access.
5) Not all charge points are in places that a woman can be at ease at night when alone, and the time there waiting the charge time is disconcerting.
6) use things like heaters in winter and the charge disapears very quickly.
7) The car was lovely, just needed an engine of some kind.
All very valid points. Don't worry once Boris and his boss Carrie have gone all this will be on a back burner for years.
One thing i have noticed is that many of the people who buy electric cars are a bit 'different'...
A bit different in that they think about the future they are bequeathing and don't support eugenics?
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Billy, you really are p*ss*ng into the wind, look at last months coal production figures world wide, they were the highest ever on record with production profits because of high prices making mine owners in the USA considering re opening mines.
Where there is a buck to be made the future gets the sex and travel treatment.
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Her all round experience was not very encouraging,
1) she found it a strange experience you just cant jump in and drive off, you have things to do like disconnect and check the range, and even top up if necessary.
2) At one charge point it would not accept her app for payment and she had to go through another app on her phone so you could need a number of payment options.
3) not all charge points work, her local point at Normanton for instance non of the three charges were in use.
4) as said in Ipswich she also had to pay a parking fee as the charger was on a car park with number plate access.
5) Not all charge points are in places that a woman can be at ease at night when alone, and the time there waiting the charge time is disconcerting.
6) use things like heaters in winter and the charge disapears very quickly.
7) The car was lovely, just needed an engine of some kind.
All very valid points. Don't worry once Boris and his boss Carrie have gone all this will be on a back burner for years.
One thing i have noticed is that many of the people who buy electric cars are a bit 'different'...
A bit different in that they think about the future they are bequeathing and don't support eugenics?
At least i'm not on the wrong side of every debate/argument on this forum. Do you do it on purpose? Do you have a peverse disire to argue, talk down to and belittle everyone on here who doesn't agree with your agenda? You reckon to be liberal but you only ever see one side of an argument, climate, brexit, BLM, covid, Ukraine...I have my own views on subjects, many may not like them, but by the same token i'm prepared to listen to others, you are not. People like you are the real evil that close down every debate by screaming racist, fascist and the like every time you come across something that you rule to be wrong.
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No. I don't scream "racist, fascist and the like every time I come across something that I rule to be wrong."
I call out racists and fascists writing stuff that racists and fascists write.
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No. I don't scream "racist, fascist and the like every time I come across something that I rule to be wrong."
I call out racists and fascists writing stuff that racists and fascists write.
According to your view of the world.
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No. According to generally accepted norms of what constitutes racism and fascism.
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Does that make you a commy Billy? every one has to have a handle in your world Commissar is probably your best description, they went out hunting anyone that went against the regime, yes commissar suits your all knowing bullying personality, that's my handle for you.
I can just visualise you going around Conisborough in the middle of the night in your little Lenin hat red star at the front with your troops looking for victims to take to Denaby crags.
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The high cost of materials used in the manufacture of batteries is now becoming a problem.