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Quote from: Bessie Red on October 18, 2017, 09:30:03 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 09:22:40 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 09:18:12 amYou didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins, Marquis v Scunthorpe Williams numerous times He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season. No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.He gave the ball away several times.He couldn't beat his man.His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position. Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.I think you need to rewatch the game. I notice how you aren't calling out the others who said Kongolo was shit. I wonder why that is?
Quote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 09:22:40 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 09:18:12 amYou didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins, Marquis v Scunthorpe Williams numerous times He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season. No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.He gave the ball away several times.He couldn't beat his man.His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position. Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.
Quote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 09:18:12 amYou didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins, Marquis v Scunthorpe Williams numerous times He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season. No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.He gave the ball away several times.He couldn't beat his man.His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position. Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.
You didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins, Marquis v Scunthorpe Williams numerous times He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season.
Quote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 09:35:33 amQuote from: Bessie Red on October 18, 2017, 09:30:03 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 09:22:40 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 09:18:12 amYou didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins, Marquis v Scunthorpe Williams numerous times He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season. No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.He gave the ball away several times.He couldn't beat his man.His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position. Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.I think you need to rewatch the game. I notice how you aren't calling out the others who said Kongolo was shit. I wonder why that is?Pretty much the answer I thought I would get. Care to give a counter argument to the points I raised? That contribution alone is enough in my opinion to suggest that his performance was not awful. I am only "calling you out" as you put it because you are the only one responding to my comments. I am hardly going to have a debate with myself am I!!
Quote from: Bessie Red on October 18, 2017, 09:42:41 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 09:35:33 amQuote from: Bessie Red on October 18, 2017, 09:30:03 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 09:22:40 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 09:18:12 amYou didn't go to Rochdale then when khemis was hauled off after 20 mins, Marquis v Scunthorpe Williams numerous times He created the goal and ran his b*llocks off only for clowns on here to say it was the worst individual performance of the season. No, I didn't go to Rochdale, but I still saw the game.Kongolo last night - his first touch was shocking. He seemed to be unable to controll the ball.He gave the ball away several times.He couldn't beat his man.His off the ball movement was terrible and looked disinterested. I was sat 5 rows behind the dugout and Gavin Strachan was going mental at him because he was constantly out of position. Yes, he set up the goal. It doesn't mean he played well.Watch the build up to the first goal and you will see that every point you raised is total garbage!!First touch acceptable. Control of the ball acceptable. Didnt give the ball away. Beat his man comfortably. Off the ball movement excellent. 1-0 to the Rovers thank largely to Kongolo. Interested to see your response although I think I already know what it will be.I think you need to rewatch the game. I notice how you aren't calling out the others who said Kongolo was shit. I wonder why that is?Pretty much the answer I thought I would get. Care to give a counter argument to the points I raised? That contribution alone is enough in my opinion to suggest that his performance was not awful. I am only "calling you out" as you put it because you are the only one responding to my comments. I am hardly going to have a debate with myself am I!!The counter argument is that I disagree, and that you need to rewatch the game and see for yourself he was guilty of all the points I raised.
CorrectSome are only happy when they've searched for a negative and then moaned to everyone about it
It's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance
Quote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:01 amIt's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?
Quote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:31:36 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:01 amIt's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.
Disagreeing is not a counter argument & neither is just saying rewatch the game.
Quote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:31:36 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:01 amIt's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?You can't have it both ways though, when we play well and lose you state the performance is irrelevant because we lost. When we win the performance is then scrutinised
Quote from: Bessie Red on October 18, 2017, 10:41:02 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:31:36 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:01 amIt's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.I have backed it up. Like I said, rewatch the game.
Quote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:42:22 amQuote from: Bessie Red on October 18, 2017, 10:41:02 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:31:36 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:01 amIt's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.I have backed it up. Like I said, rewatch the game.No you havent backed it up. To back it up in a meaningful way YOU need to rewatch it and post on here examples of when he did what you say he did. You need to justify your argument by backing it up with actual evidence. If you look on the sky highlights there is clear evidence in the build up to the first goal that Kongolo in that passage of play is not guilty of any of the faults you level at him. I am sure that you would find evidence from the game that he was occassionally guilty of some of the issues you mentioned but I am almost certain there would be other players also guilty of the same things. Therefore using your argument then most if not all were awful last night, which is fair enough if thats how you wish to label players. What is unfair however is to single one player out for it.
Quote from: Bessie Red on October 18, 2017, 11:52:32 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:42:22 amQuote from: Bessie Red on October 18, 2017, 10:41:02 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:31:36 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:01 amIt's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?To have any substance opinions should be loosely based on facts. I gave facts to back up my opiniion which you have been unable to provude a counter argument to try and change my opinion (that is the core principle of debate). You have just generalised about a players performance without backing it up with facts. No we shouldnt blindly congratulate every squad member but neither should we pick on one individual when clearly other players have been guilty of the issues in the same game that you raised about that player.I have backed it up. Like I said, rewatch the game.No you havent backed it up. To back it up in a meaningful way YOU need to rewatch it and post on here examples of when he did what you say he did. You need to justify your argument by backing it up with actual evidence. If you look on the sky highlights there is clear evidence in the build up to the first goal that Kongolo in that passage of play is not guilty of any of the faults you level at him. I am sure that you would find evidence from the game that he was occassionally guilty of some of the issues you mentioned but I am almost certain there would be other players also guilty of the same things. Therefore using your argument then most if not all were awful last night, which is fair enough if thats how you wish to label players. What is unfair however is to single one player out for it. A 15 second snap shot isn't enough evidence to base how he performed in 90 minutes.
Quote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 11:41:43 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:31:36 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:01 amIt's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?You can't have it both ways though, when we play well and lose you state the performance is irrelevant because we lost. When we win the performance is then scrutinised I said we battled well. I don't see your point.
Quote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 11:44:47 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 11:41:43 amQuote from: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 10:31:36 amQuote from: dickos1 on October 18, 2017, 10:29:01 amIt's not wrong When we play well and lose you and your dad say performance is irrelevant if we lose When we play not so well but win you pick holes in the performance I havent picked holes in anything. I've given an opinion and individual performances.What is the point on the forum if we cannot express opinions? Should we blindly congratulate every squad member after a win, or discuss the game as whole and highlight certain things?You can't have it both ways though, when we play well and lose you state the performance is irrelevant because we lost. When we win the performance is then scrutinised I said we battled well. I don't see your point.We battled well and then followed it up with over the top negativity. I was speaking to your dad who stated it was one of the worst performances of the season. Which is just ridiculous. But you replied for him
There's been some tiresome back and forths on here over the past couple of months but this one is a clear winner for me.
Yeah, can we please leave the Kongolo debate now and discuss other aspects of the match?Just agree to disagree for the sake of the wider audience! [/quoteCant understand why when we were 2-0 up that we wanted to rush everything. There was one occassion when a Pompey player headed towards goal & it was going wide Lawlor sprinted to stop the ball going out for a goal kick. There were other incidents where we could have slowed the game down but chose not to. I guess its due to the young average age of the team, but you would expect the likes of Rowe or Butler would tell them to slow down a bit.That alright for you Panco 🤣🤣
Kongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.Baudry was fantastic.
Quote from: MrFrost on October 17, 2017, 10:12:50 pmKongolo put in the worst performance of anyone this season. Awful.Baudry was fantastic. I don't often agree with you (well just about never) but in this case your spot on.
If Rodney is the future of Dutch football no wonder they are in crisis. A woeful performance besides his assist.