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I think we need to go back to the high tempo pressing game or at least matching the opposition's work rate. Today we looked leggy and tired. Certainly it's the first time Fergie has really lost it with the team for ignoring what he wanted.
Well we all said def pen from where we were sat in South East almost in line with goal/ bye line.Clipped from behind no question.
Quote from: Campsall rover on February 25, 2017, 06:27:56 pmWell we all said def pen from where we were sat in South East almost in line with goal/ bye line.Clipped from behind no question.Then the ref had a very much better view of it than you did Campsall.
I have not seen anyone ask where the covering left back is for their first goal.Was this because he does not appear anywhere in the film footage?
Quote from: selby on February 27, 2017, 08:39:42 amI have not seen anyone ask where the covering left back is for their first goal.Was this because he does not appear anywhere in the film footage?Whoa hold your horses, we were attacking with acres of space on the left for Mason to go into. The facts that Copps and Grant fannyed about and lost possession with everyone out of position and that Middleton was never going to catch him and that Butler was too late in commiting himself are the reasons they scored, but hey lets blame the new whipping boy instead.
Quote from: ravenrover on February 27, 2017, 11:37:32 amQuote from: selby on February 27, 2017, 08:39:42 amI have not seen anyone ask where the covering left back is for their first goal.Was this because he does not appear anywhere in the film footage?Whoa hold your horses, we were attacking with acres of space on the left for Mason to go into. The facts that Copps and Grant fannyed about and lost possession with everyone out of position and that Middleton was never going to catch him and that Butler was too late in commiting himself are the reasons they scored, but hey lets blame the new whipping boy instead.I agree with that, thats why we play with wing backs, Copps poor pass to Grant was the reason they broke, Middleton should have fouled him when he had chance
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on February 26, 2017, 12:51:39 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 25, 2017, 06:27:56 pmWell we all said def pen from where we were sat in South East almost in line with goal/ bye line.Clipped from behind no question.Then the ref had a very much better view of it than you did Campsall.How do you work than one out.HE WAS CLIPPED FROM BEHIND NO QUESTION. Was just about to cross the ball and was fouled.To dive WHICH HE DID NOT would have been madness as we would probably have scored.
Paul,as you stated previously we started with a back four,Mason should have been the covering player,he was thirty yards too forward, after only seven minutes,watch Alcock play that position on the right he covers the central players when we push forward brilliantly,like chalk and cheese mate.
Quote from: Campsall rover on February 26, 2017, 09:53:36 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on February 26, 2017, 12:51:39 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on February 25, 2017, 06:27:56 pmWell we all said def pen from where we were sat in South East almost in line with goal/ bye line.Clipped from behind no question.Then the ref had a very much better view of it than you did Campsall.How do you work than one out.HE WAS CLIPPED FROM BEHIND NO QUESTION. Was just about to cross the ball and was fouled.To dive WHICH HE DID NOT would have been madness as we would probably have scored.You described where you were sat in your first post. Given your position, the ref was most certainly better placed than you to judge.
Raven,defend first attack when you can,and not at the expense of leaving gaps that can be exposed,move forward together in shape, and retreat together in shape. Watch the Italians,and Germans,they are the masters ,and its not new ,they have been doing it since the 50s. The Liverpool side in the 70s and the present Chelsea sides are prime examples,and dare I say the Leicester side last season,two Italian managers and old heads at Liverpool who studied the Quote from: selby on February 28, 2017, 02:02:23 pmRaven,defend first attack when you can,and not at the expense of leaving gaps that can be exposed,move forward together in shape, and retreat together in shape. Watch the Italians,and Germans,they are the masters ,and its not new ,they have been doing it since the 50s. The Liverpool side in the 70s and the present Chelsea sides are prime examples,and dare I say the Leicester side last season,two Italian managers and old heads at Liverpool who studied the game.Don't think wing backs were ever mentioned in those days, defenders never moved further than the halfway line unless it was the centre half going up for a corner. In later years if a full back went forward a midfielder usually dropped in to cover him keeping a solid 4 at the back. As soneone has already said can't compare how Rovers play to International or top flight teams of later yearsOur manager demands that our "full backs" get forward at every opportunity just listen to him during the game.Anyway lets just agree to disagree we could go on back and forth for ever
Raven,defend first attack when you can,and not at the expense of leaving gaps that can be exposed,move forward together in shape, and retreat together in shape. Watch the Italians,and Germans,they are the masters ,and its not new ,they have been doing it since the 50s. The Liverpool side in the 70s and the present Chelsea sides are prime examples,and dare I say the Leicester side last season,two Italian managers and old heads at Liverpool who studied the game.