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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: belton rover on October 01, 2022, 06:06:40 pm
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Or, ‘we are making a crap team look good’.
I’m hearing/reading this an awful lot this season. It’s frustrating because we are exactly where we should be at the moment: a competent L2 side.
Of course the standard in league two isn’t as good as L1, and the same goes when moving up to the Championship and so on.
However, we are competing in a division that we should be in right at this time, and we are actually doing relatively well.
Let’s just enjoy it.
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Yes. Pleased overall to be where we are in the league despite generally unacceptable performances. The good thing is that there is room for improvement in both results and performances, especially given the inferiority of a lot of teams in this league, with due respect to them of course.
Rochdale are shit. Mansfield aren't. For example.
As long as we continue to be up at the right end of the table then that's the main thing for most fans.
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Salford aren’t
Northampton aren’t
Sutton aren’t
Bradford aren’t
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If your happy watching rubbish and winning happy days
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If your happy watching rubbish and winning happy days
No. I’m happy watching L2 football and winning.
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If your happy watching rubbish and winning happy days
No. I’m happy watching L2 football and winning.
happy days
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If your happy watching rubbish and winning happy days
there once was a time when winning on a Saturday improved the mood
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I see were Belton is coming from yes we won and 3 points is what we set out to achieve,but the football was not good and the players should be performing better
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Salford aren’t
Northampton aren’t
Sutton aren’t
Bradford aren’t
Your point being?
My. You have lowered your expectations haven't you? In this LOWER league.
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Rovers are a mystery at the moment. Made a Northampton team (who will be up there) look 2nd best, but made a Rochdale team fighting for relegation look competitive.
If we're not playing well and still winning on one level you might say fine, but for me, I would question the manager on why we're underperforming and why there are some habitual problems. Today it wasn't even habitual problems it was players (as a whole) failing to do the basics - but they also looked shot on confidence, lacking direction and lacking a little bit of motivation (first 60 minutes).
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We are grinding out results in spite of GM. I'm also not the only person on here to have said that. GM doesn't know what he's doing. Expect more of the same Tuesday. A sluggish performance where we might get a lucky draw before being annihilated on our own turf by Orient. Watch this space.
Anyone who thinks we are going to be pumped up for the visit of Orient is deluded. This type of aggression is not possible with GM.
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We are grinding out results in spite of GM. I'm also not the only person on here to have said that. GM doesn't know what he's doing. Expect more of the same Tuesday. A sluggish performance where we might get a lucky draw before being annihilated on our own turf by Orient. Watch this space.
Anyone who thinks we are going to be pumped up for the visit of Orient is deluded. This type of aggression is not possible with GM.
Thank goodness you called for an end to the Tomlin topic so that we could engage in more positive discussion on the back of an away win.
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It's not been enjoyable to watch since Darren Moore left. McCann era was better further.
There is still no signs of improvement and results are coming off the back of playing really bad teams.
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Come on we all know our performances are shite !where does the blame lay ? It’s awful
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Moore got some really good results but the football wasn’t always good at all. The absurd commitment to playing out from the back and playing at the slowest possible pace, not for me.
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I must have been to a different game, quite enjoyed today, we played half decent other than midway through second half, we can only beat what’s in front of us
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We are grinding out results in spite of GM. I'm also not the only person on here to have said that. GM doesn't know what he's doing. Expect more of the same Tuesday. A sluggish performance where we might get a lucky draw before being annihilated on our own turf by Orient. Watch this space.
Anyone who thinks we are going to be pumped up for the visit of Orient is deluded. This type of aggression is not possible with GM.
‘In spite of GM’?
I read that comment a lot but it’s meaningless. If GM is at fault when we lose, then by whose logic does he make no contribution to a win?
Plus, none of us have any idea about his input in today’s victory. It’s been said by most that the second half performance was better than the first. Is that in spite of GM? We don’t know, but I strongly suspect it had a lot to do with GM and his team.
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Three words.
League two football.
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We are grinding out results in spite of GM. I'm also not the only person on here to have said that. GM doesn't know what he's doing. Expect more of the same Tuesday. A sluggish performance where we might get a lucky draw before being annihilated on our own turf by Orient. Watch this space.
Anyone who thinks we are going to be pumped up for the visit of Orient is deluded. This type of aggression is not possible with GM.
Panda what’s up. You really are coming out with some bizarre posts. Occasionally you post something quite sensible but most of them I can’t get my head round.
Look I think 90% of us would agree the Jury is still out on GM. If we win 60% of our games this season then we will almost certainly finish in the top 3
If we win at Hartlepool on Tues then that will be almost 60% of our 1st 12 games.
Winning is what counts. Yes we want better performances I agree but when they come we are going to give a few teams a belting.
2012/13 we weren’t the most attractive free flowing football team but we knew how to win football matches.
Hopefully Mansfield, Barrow & Swindon we’re a blip, but we are going to lose some games, that is certain.
It is a good side that wins when not at their best.
We haven’t seen the best yet from this team and we are 8th only 5 points off the top 3 with 35 games to play.
What’s not to like?
Oh and Panda how can you be so sure Leyton Orient are going to give us a good hiding next week?
My money is on us to take the 3 points. Just wait and see, to use your own words.
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Come on people lighten up, just arrived in gran canaria and found out the rover's had won.
You're not peeing on my parade, I'm going to enjoy my night
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I've seen us play much worse than today and score more goals. But for some poor finishing we'd have been 3 up by half time. We had a spell second half before scoring that we were off it but overall I thought we always looked like winning today.
Away from home it's about winning not dominating. If we want to go with two up top then it will mean a bit less of the ball as we are sacrificing midfield with that formation.
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We all want to see better performances and massacre every team 5-0. but a grind out win with a crap performance is still 3 points same as great football and a 2-1 win but as others say its League 2 there isnt going to be terrific football but 3 points is still 3 points
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We are grinding out results in spite of GM. I'm also not the only person on here to have said that. GM doesn't know what he's doing. Expect more of the same Tuesday. A sluggish performance where we might get a lucky draw before being annihilated on our own turf by Orient. Watch this space.
Anyone who thinks we are going to be pumped up for the visit of Orient is deluded. This type of aggression is not possible with GM.
Panda what’s up. You really are coming out with some bizarre posts. Occasionally you post something quite sensible but most of them I can’t get my head round.
Look I think 90% of us would agree the Jury is still out on GM. If we win 60% of our games this season then we will almost certainly finish in the top 3
If we win at Hartlepool on Tues then that will be almost 60% of our 1st 12 games.
Winning is what counts. Yes we want better performances I agree but when they come we are going to give a few teams a belting.
2012/13 we weren’t the most attractive free flowing football team but we knew how to win football matches.
Hopefully Mansfield, Barrow & Swindon we’re a blip, but we are going to lose some games, that is certain.
It is a good side that wins when not at their best.
We haven’t seen the best yet from this team and we are 8th only 5 points off the top 3 with 35 games to play.
What’s not to like?
Oh and Panda how can you be so sure Leyton Orient are going to give us a good hiding next week?
My money is on us to take the 3 points. Just wait and see, to use your own words.
I take note of your observations Camps. Thanks.
As for Orient. I feel that Wellens will have his side well up for this and it is to be expected. I have yet to see us start a home game under McSheffrey where we have started a game like we really mean business and i fear a typical GM first half where Orient dominate and end up scoring. On this basis, there is no reason to believe that GM will have us pumped for this match from the get go. As it hasn't yet happened before.
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Some people on here want to see attractive football and Rovers win every game, but the truth isn’t going to happen.
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We are grinding out results in spite of GM. I'm also not the only person on here to have said that. GM doesn't know what he's doing. Expect more of the same Tuesday. A sluggish performance where we might get a lucky draw before being annihilated on our own turf by Orient. Watch this space.
Anyone who thinks we are going to be pumped up for the visit of Orient is deluded. This type of aggression is not possible with GM.
Panda what’s up. You really are coming out with some bizarre posts. Occasionally you post something quite sensible but most of them I can’t get my head round.
Look I think 90% of us would agree the Jury is still out on GM. If we win 60% of our games this season then we will almost certainly finish in the top 3
If we win at Hartlepool on Tues then that will be almost 60% of our 1st 12 games.
Winning is what counts. Yes we want better performances I agree but when they come we are going to give a few teams a belting.
2012/13 we weren’t the most attractive free flowing football team but we knew how to win football matches.
Hopefully Mansfield, Barrow & Swindon we’re a blip, but we are going to lose some games, that is certain.
It is a good side that wins when not at their best.
We haven’t seen the best yet from this team and we are 8th only 5 points off the top 3 with 35 games to play.
What’s not to like?
Oh and Panda how can you be so sure Leyton Orient are going to give us a good hiding next week?
My money is on us to take the 3 points. Just wait and see, to use your own words.
I take note of your observations Camps. Thanks.
As for Orient. I feel that Wellens will have his side well up for this and it is to be expected. I have yet to see us start a home game under McSheffrey where we have started a game like we really mean business and i fear a typical GM first half where Orient dominate and end up scoring. On this basis, there is no reason to believe that GM will have us pumped for this match from the get go. As it hasn't yet happened before.
It's obvious you weren't there today, Panda. We were at them right from the start, forcing 2 successive corners, and George almost scoring with a breakaway(before the sitter that he missed later on).
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Wasn't there today so can't comment on the performance, a very welcome 3 points though.
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Panda.
You’re so confident Richie Wellens will bring his all conquering heroes (Newport County apart thus far) to the Eco & give GM’s team (my Rovers) a right drubbing.
So, I bet you £50 Rovers will beat Orient (the winnings by either of us to be donated to the Rovers academy).
You up for that?
If not, as the saying goes, you’ve not put up so shut up.
Happy to make it whatever £s you’re ‘comfortable’ with.
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Panda.
You’re so confident Richie Wellens will bring his all conquering heroes (Newport County apart thus far) to the Eco & give GM’s team (my Rovers) a right drubbing.
So, I bet you £50 Rovers will beat Orient (the winnings by either of us to be donated to the Rovers academy).
You up for that?
If not, as the saying goes, you’ve not put up so shut up.
Happy to make it whatever £s you’re ‘comfortable’ with.
You've obviously done a lot better for yourself in life than i have so i'll go £30.
Happy to put my money where my mouth is. I will happily donate £30 to the academy if Rovers win. If Rovers lose, you donate £30 and a draw and bets are off. How's that sound?
I will send an anonymous donation to the club to be marked 'donation for the academy' if Rovers win.
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Salford aren’t
Northampton aren’t
Sutton aren’t
Bradford aren’t
Your point being?
My. You have lowered your expectations haven't you? In this LOWER league.
Why worry if he’s happy, it’s his life. Good positive view dickos 1,wish there was a few more like you.
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If your happy watching rubbish and winning happy days
Sounds like Rovers under Saunders.
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Speaking personally I don’t give a shit how we play as long as we win. We have to get out of League 2 and I don’t care if we do this by getting lucky wins.
For the record though, we weren’t lucky today. We got exactly what our play deserved…a victory.
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It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
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It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
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Rochdale to be fair we’re a better team than their league position would suggest.
They worked very hard to close us down and limit the space we had to play our football.
Not saying they are a good side as imo they are not.
Playing teams at the bottom is never going to be easy, Rochdale played us after 2 consecutive wins ( one yes in the Pappa Johns ) but that will have given them a lift.
If we had taken our chances early on in the game then we would have probably won 4/5 nil.
We didn’t so ended up having to work extremely hard to get the 3 points.
The important thing is we have a team capable of grinding out results and that is a very positive trait.
After last season that is very refreshing to see surely.
Anyone expecting us to play free flowing football week in week out in this league is living in cloud cookoo land.
As the season progresses with positive results and confidence grows we will then see a few games where we may take the opposition apart.
There could be 2/3 more games to come where we score 4/5 goals.
This is a big month for us. If we get 10/12 points or more from the next 6 games then we will have put ourselves into a very healthy position to challenge for the top 3 and even possibly the title.
If we only get 7/8 or less then I think we are underachieving and questions need to be asked.
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Panda.
You’re so confident Richie Wellens will bring his all conquering heroes (Newport County apart thus far) to the Eco & give GM’s team (my Rovers) a right drubbing.
So, I bet you £50 Rovers will beat Orient (the winnings by either of us to be donated to the Rovers academy).
You up for that?
If not, as the saying goes, you’ve not put up so shut up.
Happy to make it whatever £s you’re ‘comfortable’ with.
You've obviously done a lot better for yourself in life than i have so i'll go £30.
Happy to put my money where my mouth is. I will happily donate £30 to the academy if Rovers win. If Rovers lose, you donate £30 and a draw and bets are off. How's that sound?
I will send an anonymous donation to the club to be marked 'donation for the academy' if Rovers win.
You’re on.
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Panda.
You’re so confident Richie Wellens will bring his all conquering heroes (Newport County apart thus far) to the Eco & give GM’s team (my Rovers) a right drubbing.
So, I bet you £50 Rovers will beat Orient (the winnings by either of us to be donated to the Rovers academy).
You up for that?
If not, as the saying goes, you’ve not put up so shut up.
Happy to make it whatever £s you’re ‘comfortable’ with.
You've obviously done a lot better for yourself in life than i have so i'll go £30.
Happy to put my money where my mouth is. I will happily donate £30 to the academy if Rovers win. If Rovers lose, you donate £30 and a draw and bets are off. How's that sound?
I will send an anonymous donation to the club to be marked 'donation for the academy' if Rovers win.
You’re on.
Can you just do that then? I mean just send a donation to the club and tell them it is for the academy and they'll take it? Didn't realize they could do that. Is the academy a registered charity or something?
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It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
But they wouldn't though would they.
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The performance’s are important, because if we don’t get them, then we will fall short against the better teams.
One of our problems that is causing instability, is not having a regular defensive partnership at the back. Also the midfield centrally we haven’t found our best partnership. Injuries haven’t helped the cause.
The team is adapting to a different formation. Saying all that, we haven’t done bad so far. We’ve had a tough start and come out with quite a few points. That only matters if we beat the so called lesser teams, then as others have the tougher fixtures we gain points.
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Rovers are a mystery at the moment. Made a Northampton team (who will be up there) look 2nd best, but made a Rochdale team fighting for relegation look competitive.
If we're not playing well and still winning on one level you might say fine, but for me, I would question the manager on why we're underperforming and why there are some habitual problems. Today it wasn't even habitual problems it was players (as a whole) failing to do the basics - but they also looked shot on confidence, lacking direction and lacking a little bit of motivation (first 60 minutes).
I am still in this camp to be honest. The performance level remains unsettling. Minimum of what I'd expect in terms of points really (in terms of expectation, maybe not when you look at quality of players).
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It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
But they wouldn't though would they.
Well if someone had posted in the summer “if we get 20 points from the first 11 games I wonder what people will think then”
I would’ve said they’d still be unhappy and I’d be right…
Plenty of folk on here will never be happy
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Panda.
You’re so confident Richie Wellens will bring his all conquering heroes (Newport County apart thus far) to the Eco & give GM’s team (my Rovers) a right drubbing.
So, I bet you £50 Rovers will beat Orient (the winnings by either of us to be donated to the Rovers academy).
You up for that?
If not, as the saying goes, you’ve not put up so shut up.
Happy to make it whatever £s you’re ‘comfortable’ with.
You've obviously done a lot better for yourself in life than i have so i'll go £30.
Happy to put my money where my mouth is. I will happily donate £30 to the academy if Rovers win. If Rovers lose, you donate £30 and a draw and bets are off. How's that sound?
I will send an anonymous donation to the club to be marked 'donation for the academy' if Rovers win.
You’re on.
Can you just do that then? I mean just send a donation to the club and tell them it is for the academy and they'll take it? Didn't realize they could do that. Is the academy a registered charity or something?
It’s part of the infrastructure of the club.
Contact the ticket office & they will direct you to the right person. Tell them you wish to make a donation for the benefit of the academy.
They’ll be most grateful & you will have done something good for your club.
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I made a few donations during the covid lockdown. I just rang the switchboard saying that I wanted to make a donation. A couple of minutes job with my card details and they were very grateful.
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It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
But they wouldn't though would they.
Well if someone had posted in the summer “if we get 20 points from the first 11 games I wonder what people will think then”
I would’ve said they’d still be unhappy and I’d be right…
Plenty of folk on here will never be happy
But you wouldn't be right wouldn't you, posters would have been very happy with that scenario.
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It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
It’s very hard to judge, mainly because he’s never had a fully fit a squad. However we began the season with one of the hardest starts we could have had and did well until the blip. But we’ve since regrouped and have some more inviting fixtures ahead of us and have won our last 2. A win on Tuesday puts us right back up there and then another test on Saturday. IF we were to win that, it’s a minimum six point swing on orient in 7 days.
I wonder what people would think then?
They’d still be unhappy
But they wouldn't though would they.
Well if someone had posted in the summer “if we get 20 points from the first 11 games I wonder what people will think then”
I would’ve said they’d still be unhappy and I’d be right…
Plenty of folk on here will never be happy
But you wouldn't be right wouldn't you, posters would have been very happy with that scenario.
Posters would have been very happy with that scenario???
That’s exactly the position we find ourselves in and yourself and others are unhappy.
That’s the point