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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on February 26, 2017, 08:28:45 pm
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What is it with modern day goalkeepers punching the ball when it's easy to catch?
Lawlor did it a couple of times yesterday
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I must agree with you, there is far too much punching in modern day football. I think this is something that has come in from the continent as foreign goalkeepers have always punched the ball more.
As for Lawler yesterday I am asuming the wind was a factor and the ball was swirling around.
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They used to catch far more in bygone days with little or no protection from the ref.
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Perhaps with the balls being heavier in the old days they were actually easier to catch than the modern day lightweight ones
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Some instances though the goalkeeper has loads of time and space and still punches.
It seems the same in all divisions now.
I saw Grassington under 16s clinch the league title today at Calverley and I don't think that either keeper punched it once.
Is it something that is coached early at professional clubs maybe?
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I bet Carl Ikeme wished he'd had punched it on Friday , rather than going for the easy catch and then dropping it at the feet off the in coming forward. :whistle:
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.... and thats the beauty of hindsight.
When Lawlor punched that one in first half (and it may have been moving in the wind - looking difficult for catching) there were people around me asking what he was doing - should have caught it etc
However he got it fairly clear and regrouped (if 1 man can regroup). Imagine he had tried to catch it and it had gone through his hands into the net OR he had dropped it at the feet of a Forward (a la Ikeme) everyone would have said " should have punched it in this wind"
I think he probably gets fairly well paid for his talent (and as he is a Professional) I for one have to respect his judgement. He is in the thick of the action and I am sat in the stands watching
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I said after watching his highlights video that was on here when he signed that he had issues with catching. He punched or fumbled too often for me. In not yet convinced by him to be honest. He's a good size and presence and his distribution is ok but I'm yet to be won over fully.
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.... and thats the beauty of hindsight.
When Lawlor punched that one in first half (and it may have been moving in the wind - looking difficult for catching) there were people around me asking what he was doing - should have caught it etc
However he got it fairly clear and regrouped (if 1 man can regroup). Imagine he had tried to catch it and it had gone through his hands into the net OR he had dropped it at the feet of a Forward (a la Ikeme) everyone would have said " should have punched it in this wind"
I think he gets 3k or more a week for his talent and I for one have to respect his judgement. He is in the thick of the action and I am sat in the stands watching
3k? For a young L2 goalie, I'd doubt that to be honest, the average a while ago was about 69k a yr.
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Yes ... the ball swung in the swirling wind he.got it.right !
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.... and thats the beauty of hindsight.
When Lawlor punched that one in first half (and it may have been moving in the wind - looking difficult for catching) there were people around me asking what he was doing - should have caught it etc
However he got it fairly clear and regrouped (if 1 man can regroup). Imagine he had tried to catch it and it had gone through his hands into the net OR he had dropped it at the feet of a Forward (a la Ikeme) everyone would have said " should have punched it in this wind"
I think he gets 3k or more a week for his talent and I for one have to respect his judgement. He is in the thick of the action and I am sat in the stands watching
3k? For a young L2 goalie, I'd doubt that to be honest, the average a while ago was about 69k a yr.
He will be on between 2 and 3k you would think. Our wage bill is nothing like average in this division, that's why we are top.
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.... and thats the beauty of hindsight.
When Lawlor punched that one in first half (and it may have been moving in the wind - looking difficult for catching) there were people around me asking what he was doing - should have caught it etc
However he got it fairly clear and regrouped (if 1 man can regroup). Imagine he had tried to catch it and it had gone through his hands into the net OR he had dropped it at the feet of a Forward (a la Ikeme) everyone would have said " should have punched it in this wind"
I think he probably gets very well paid for his talent and I for one have to respect his judgement. He is in the thick of the action and I am sat in the stands watching
3k? For a young L2 goalie, I'd doubt that to be honest, the average a while ago was about 69k a yr.
I thought it was a bit risky guessing his pay so I have altered it to something more "factual". I was just trying to say he's a professional so I have to respect his judgement as I am a mere Fan
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modern day keepers are coached to punch crosses away as well as push shots out
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.... and thats the beauty of hindsight.
When Lawlor punched that one in first half (and it may have been moving in the wind - looking difficult for catching) there were people around me asking what he was doing - should have caught it etc
However he got it fairly clear and regrouped (if 1 man can regroup). Imagine he had tried to catch it and it had gone through his hands into the net OR he had dropped it at the feet of a Forward (a la Ikeme) everyone would have said " should have punched it in this wind"
I think he gets 3k or more a week for his talent and I for one have to respect his judgement. He is in the thick of the action and I am sat in the stands watching
Wage bills don't guarantee being top but it helps.
3k? For a young L2 goalie, I'd doubt that to be honest, the average a while ago was about 69k a yr.
He will be on between 2 and 3k you would think. Our wage bill is nothing like average in this division, that's why we are top.
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modern day keepers are coached to punch crosses away as well as push shots out
Yes if their catching is unreliable.
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.... and thats the beauty of hindsight.
When Lawlor punched that one in first half (and it may have been moving in the wind - looking difficult for catching) there were people around me asking what he was doing - should have caught it etc
However he got it fairly clear and regrouped (if 1 man can regroup). Imagine he had tried to catch it and it had gone through his hands into the net OR he had dropped it at the feet of a Forward (a la Ikeme) everyone would have said " should have punched it in this wind"
I think he gets 3k or more a week for his talent and I for one have to respect his judgement. He is in the thick of the action and I am sat in the stands watching
3k? For a young L2 goalie, I'd doubt that to be honest, the average a while ago was about 69k a yr.
He will be on between 2 and 3k you would think. Our wage bill is nothing like average in this division, that's why we are top.
Wage bills don't guarantee being top but yes they do help.
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John Lukic and his fisting antics (55 seconds in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndai-x2F1GM
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Flapper Lukic.
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Yes, as mentioned above fro his vid he looked like he has a preference to punch. Having said that it was windy, so I'll give him the benefit, particularly as he caught one successfully in the second half.
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watch Sam Johnston now , has a different style to his 1st loan spell with us, punches crosses a lot as well as pushing shots out.
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watch Sam Johnston now , has a different style to his 1st loan spell with us, punches crosses a lot as well as pushing shots out.
And from what I've heard from the Villa faithful he's having a torrid time there.
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Is it that the balls are less grippy even with the super grippy gloves? I don't get the logic of the fashion for punching.
Though from what I've seen of Lawlor, despite having lots of excellent characteristics, he's simply not good at catching.
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It's a tough one for me, and while I never made the grade pro anywhere (despite plenty of trials) I would still always try and catch as opposed to punch! For me if I can get one hand to it I can generally (not always admittedly) get two so I still try and catch where possible! Mind you I don't half look daft if I fumble my catch! Lol!
Positioning and handling are key for a keeper - a good keeper is in the right place at the right time and doesn't need to fling himself around the goal all the time!
Decision making is next! If any (pro) keeper elects to punch rather than catch it's his decision - lawlor has impressed me generally so far. I did wonder why he'd chosen to punch on a coupla occasions on Sat - but he is mostly in the right place at the right time and mostly makes the correct decisions - I think he's potentially a very good 'un! Hope so!
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Is it that the balls are less grippy even with the super grippy gloves? I don't get the logic of the fashion for punching.
Though from what I've seen of Lawlor, despite having lots of excellent characteristics, he's simply not good at catching.
Personally as an ex vaguely reasonable standard goalie (many years ago) I tend to think that the older heavier balls were actually easier to to catch they couldn't be booted at 90 miles an hour they didn't swerve at the slightest bit of wind you had more time to react and position yourself and your hands
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The modern ball swerves more than it's heavier predecessor. The older match balls were heavier and ran true harder to strike and put swerve on them than today's footballs. Watch a premier league game with a long range shot and see how much it moves before it gets to the keeper. With the old mitre delta balls when you struck the ball it didn't move like the ten bob flyaways that they use now.
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I remember punching the old balls (early seventies) as a teen, but mainy to deflect it. To get some purchase on it and even get it out of the 18 yard box was painful and unlikely. Back then punching was more of a continental thing from what I remember.
The balls have been light for some time but punching on becoming the fashion more recently. Maybe its about coaches catching up... that punchline went wrong :unsure:
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The panels on olden day footballs (See Man Us Badge) must have made it easier to grip whilst their weight would have made it more unlikely for a keeper to punch. I do seem to remember Lev Yashin (appeared in a Rovers chant as well - come on Idler this is your challenge) Russian Keeper used to punch a lot
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Scratching my head Wolfy, need a big hint or a clue.
I blame it on my age.
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Scratching my head Wolfy, need a big hint or a clue.
I blame it on my age.
Mexican vibe .... Aye aye aye aye (Morritt is better than Yashin)
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I think it's fair comment about the modern ball however there's no doubt that when a keeper is positive and comes out to catch the ball, it's an immediate relief of pressure and takes the strain away from centre halves. Everything becomes less frantic when you have confidence in your keeper.
Denis Peacock, Sully, Sam Johnstone to name but few, were excellent catchers. For me, as with wicket keeping, the first preference has to be to catch.
By contrast keepers of old didn't wear gloves, certainly not like the Kenny Everett hands they wear today.
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Most keepers had gloves and a hat (flat cap).
They would throw them in the back of the net.
The hat would come out when needed so the peak kept the sun out of the goalies eyes.
The gloves were for when it was muddy.
I had the cap that Vic Rouse the Crystal Palace goalie threw to Ray Thomas when they beat us 5-1 at home.
It was lashing it down and he turned and felt sorry for Ray and gave him his cap. It then rained heavier and thundered and lightened so the ref took the players off for ten minutes. They were two or three nil up so came out for the restart long before us.
It was the Finningley air display the same day so loads probably got soaked there as well.
I also remember the Exeter keeper taking a goal kick and his hat fell off.
Cue King Alick to send it thundering into the net from 40 yards as the goalie was picking it up.
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And Harry Gregg always had his sleeves rolled up