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Quote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:51:44 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:29:02 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?Great solutions come out of necessity. Anyway Do you think the EU would blockade any lorries and ships from the UK?Well that's very interesting. Because if I remember my Chomsky correct what you're hinting at is essentially an anarchist system of government. Instead of lorry's you know filling out their current forms or whatever, or the guy at the airport checking your passport - your proposition Boomstick, If I'm understanding it correctly, is just 'on you go'.?
Quote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:29:02 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?Great solutions come out of necessity. Anyway Do you think the EU would blockade any lorries and ships from the UK?
Quote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.
BST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.
And then there's the Irish border issue. How do you solve that with No Deal?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 04:28:33 pmAnd then there's the Irish border issue. How do you solve that with No Deal? Quite right BST. It will inevitably lead to a border poll with a real possibility of a vote to leave the UK. That will highly likely be accompnied by significant increases in division, tension and violence.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:58:25 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:51:44 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:29:02 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?Great solutions come out of necessity. Anyway Do you think the EU would blockade any lorries and ships from the UK?Well that's very interesting. Because if I remember my Chomsky correct what you're hinting at is essentially an anarchist system of government. Instead of lorry's you know filling out their current forms or whatever, or the guy at the airport checking your passport - your proposition Boomstick, If I'm understanding it correctly, is just 'on you go'.?Nothing of the sort, not sure how you got there.... Did you miss the several occasions when the port of calais said they are ready?
"We should do everything to secure a deal. I cannot begin to imagine there not being a deal between the U.K. and the EU. We share too many things to simply stare at one another like statues."
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 04:28:33 pmAnd then there's the Irish border issue. How do you solve that with No Deal?The Irish have caused us trouble for years. This would be an ideal opportunity for payback if the EU want to put up a border and it wouldn't be our doing.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on April 03, 2019, 01:58:03 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 01:33:55 pmBST. What is valid is that the country had a vote and voted to leave. What tweaks some folk's noses is when people try to justify that the vote isn't valid. What sort of heap of shite do you think that will leave our country in if they get their way and invalidate the vote?Democracy is dieing in the UK.We clearly voted to leave. The ballot paper mentioned nothing about begging for a deal.We should have activated article 50 the day after the referendum and told the EU we were leaving on WTO terms, BUT if THEY wanted a deal with us to come and talk it over. Who in their right mind goes into a negotiation saying we don't want to leave without a deal, thereby throwing your strongest bargaining chip in the bin?We should leave now. When we make a success of life outside the EU others will follow our brave lead. The GREAT in Great Britain didn't come about from fannying around makes deals with the likes of Luxembourg, it came from doing our business all throughout the world.What about the Greater in Greater Manchester?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 01:33:55 pmBST. What is valid is that the country had a vote and voted to leave. What tweaks some folk's noses is when people try to justify that the vote isn't valid. What sort of heap of shite do you think that will leave our country in if they get their way and invalidate the vote?Democracy is dieing in the UK.We clearly voted to leave. The ballot paper mentioned nothing about begging for a deal.We should have activated article 50 the day after the referendum and told the EU we were leaving on WTO terms, BUT if THEY wanted a deal with us to come and talk it over. Who in their right mind goes into a negotiation saying we don't want to leave without a deal, thereby throwing your strongest bargaining chip in the bin?We should leave now. When we make a success of life outside the EU others will follow our brave lead. The GREAT in Great Britain didn't come about from fannying around makes deals with the likes of Luxembourg, it came from doing our business all throughout the world.
BST. What is valid is that the country had a vote and voted to leave. What tweaks some folk's noses is when people try to justify that the vote isn't valid. What sort of heap of shite do you think that will leave our country in if they get their way and invalidate the vote?
Quote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 04:21:57 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:58:25 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:51:44 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:29:02 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?Great solutions come out of necessity. Anyway Do you think the EU would blockade any lorries and ships from the UK?Well that's very interesting. Because if I remember my Chomsky correct what you're hinting at is essentially an anarchist system of government. Instead of lorry's you know filling out their current forms or whatever, or the guy at the airport checking your passport - your proposition Boomstick, If I'm understanding it correctly, is just 'on you go'.?Nothing of the sort, not sure how you got there.... Did you miss the several occasions when the port of calais said they are ready?No, I didn't. I pulled a quote out for you.https://www.politico.eu/article/calais-president-well-be-ready-even-for-a-no-deal-brexit/Quote"We should do everything to secure a deal. I cannot begin to imagine there not being a deal between the U.K. and the EU. We share too many things to simply stare at one another like statues."
Another expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801
Haven't food prices always risen?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 02, 2019, 11:39:04 pmHere's a good analogy.Imagine 100 people want to go out for a meal. They have a vote.Indian or Lasagne.they vote 52-48 for Indian.Then there's a massive argument about what Indian food to have. Some people say the Will of The People is to have a Phal. Others say a Korma would be a safer bet. Some others try to compromise with a Madras.In the end, they decide to put it to a vote. Phal or Korma.That would be bonkers wouldn't it? Maybe some of the people who voted for an Indian really wanted a Chicken Tikka Masala, and would prefer Lasagne to either Phal or Korma. So why not have Lasagne on the second vote?THAT is a pretty much exact analogy of the whole bleeding process we've been through over the past 3 years.Why not ask who would like good old Traditional English fish and chips?
Here's a good analogy.Imagine 100 people want to go out for a meal. They have a vote.Indian or Lasagne.they vote 52-48 for Indian.Then there's a massive argument about what Indian food to have. Some people say the Will of The People is to have a Phal. Others say a Korma would be a safer bet. Some others try to compromise with a Madras.In the end, they decide to put it to a vote. Phal or Korma.That would be bonkers wouldn't it? Maybe some of the people who voted for an Indian really wanted a Chicken Tikka Masala, and would prefer Lasagne to either Phal or Korma. So why not have Lasagne on the second vote?THAT is a pretty much exact analogy of the whole bleeding process we've been through over the past 3 years.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark