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I think it'll be an interesting one in future years. To make sure it's not a huge drain on public finances how is it going to be run? Rail likely needs a fundamental change with people travelling less. Not an easy thing to get right.
We are governed by the super rich do we really believe Labour will do this?
Quote from: roverstillidie91 on April 25, 2024, 10:41:20 amWe are governed by the super rich do we really believe Labour will do this?The tories have had 14+ years to think about it ............. and as the trope goes 'they're all the same'' so it's no
I do agree Herbert that hybrid approach is quite sensible. I don't know how they can bring it back in to public hands and prevent a risk of that costing and meeting public expectations. They appear to also be saying ticket prices will be unchanged so will be interesting to see how they propose a benefit to the end consumer.The stats in Sydney's link are interesting, but they're also difficult to overcome. Look at Doncaster as an example. There's no real way you'd ever see mass train travel to replace cars simply because there aren't many stations and many of them are not in the right places nor have the right services. That's not going to change any time soon.[/quoteI'd have been amazed if they'd said that ticket prices would come down, given the amount of rail infrastructure improvements required. I suspect that the benefit they'll propose will be around improved service and better value for money as opposed to cheaper travel costs.
Quote from: roverstillidie91 on April 25, 2024, 10:41:20 amWe are governed by the super rich do we really believe Labour will do this?If they'd have stated that they were going for a full re-nationalisation of the trains, tracks and infrastructure then I wouldn't have believed. However, because they're proposing something that's already successfully in place across parts of Europe and is a model that works, I'm inclined to believe it will happen.
Quote from: SydneyRover on April 25, 2024, 10:47:59 amQuote from: roverstillidie91 on April 25, 2024, 10:41:20 amWe are governed by the super rich do we really believe Labour will do this?The tories have had 14+ years to think about it ............. and as the trope goes 'they're all the same'' so it's no It is unfortunate not enough people realize that Tories and Labour are the same.As George Galloway says who is a divisive figure however they are the same in the phrase he used.Remember all the pledges he made only to renege on them which in theory was a scam to be elected Labour leader.
You'll notice that Labour are pledging to nationalise "most" of the railways, not all. Re-nationalisation won't see us go back to the old style British Rail but instead we will move to the European model of railway ownership where private firms are used sparingly to provide services and must adhere to very strict controls around cost and service etc. There are a couple of completely private firms at the moment in the UK such as Lumo and Hull Trains that would probably be allowed to continue as they're self financed I believe and, from what I understand, offer a very good service, but the others will come back under public ownership. This is absolutely the right approach and should be a serious vote winner for Labour.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on April 25, 2024, 09:32:38 amYou'll notice that Labour are pledging to nationalise "most" of the railways, not all. Re-nationalisation won't see us go back to the old style British Rail but instead we will move to the European model of railway ownership where private firms are used sparingly to provide services and must adhere to very strict controls around cost and service etc. There are a couple of completely private firms at the moment in the UK such as Lumo and Hull Trains that would probably be allowed to continue as they're self financed I believe and, from what I understand, offer a very good service, but the others will come back under public ownership. This is absolutely the right approach and should be a serious vote winner for Labour. I presume also Eurotunnel wont be taken over as that is a joint UK/French company.So what will happen to the HS2 line? Will Eurotunnel be allowed to extend their service? Or will Great British Railways trains run on Eurotunnels tracks?
Erm… car tax?How would making car travel more expensive make rail travel cheaper?
That's part of the problem pud, if drivers had to pay the cost to the environment when buying fossil fuel it would be a whole different story.
The opening post is over egging the offer.Labour are not renationalising the rail industry.To do that they would need to remove the Rolling stock leasing companies, who are a channel for public money to relocate in tax havens.You can hear Eddie Dempsey from the RMT explain it here;https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1543275879689863170/pu/vid/1096x696/H4NIW3K-8l0pAojq.mp4?tag=12Labour are taking a small step in the right direction, but it is simply a continuation of the current trend as underperforming train operating companies leave the field.