Paris

[roversdude]

WTF is going on bstards
Thoughts with the people over there

[Filo]

State of Emergency in France, all borders closed

[dknward2]

Some people are really not right in their head.

Hope they catch whoever did this and can end this once and for all

[Copps is Magic]

The ease with which these nutters can get hold of automatic weapons must surely be a concern.

[Nudga]

Why is France the main target in Europe?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The ease with which these nutters can get hold of automatic weapons must surely be a concern.

Ultimately it should not be a surprise given the middle eastern conflicts and all.

[neil grainger]

This is utterly horrendous.
I have the feeling that tonight is going to be one of the most bloody nights in recent history regarding terrorist activity.
What are we going to do about this?
It makes my blood boil.

We have enemies in our midst and we have to take more direct action to deal with them.
 

[dknward2]

Easy way to stop them getting guns stop making them for anyone but the army , navy and police

[Copps is Magic]

You have to say thank F**k we're an island and seemingly have less of a problem with rifles. You can attempt to fight back against people with knives but a nutter with an automatic rifle (or grenade) in a confined space (like a concert venue) is a different prospect altogether.

The frightening thing is that the French Government has said these people are highly organised - yet there is seemingly no pattern to their targets, not political or anything, just purely to cause terror. Terrorism in its purest form.

[neil grainger]

Awful scenes in Paris.
It beggars belief.
How can people do this, how can they justify this?

[dknward2]

Was thinking about taking the wife to paris next year with the flights from donny but now having 2nd thoughts.

Cant imagine how people are feeling who are there now

[neil grainger]

You have to say thank F**k we're an island and seemingly have less of a problem with rifles. You can attempt to fight back against people with knives but a nutter with an automatic rifle (or grenade) in a confined space (like a concert venue) is a different prospect altogether.

The frightening thing is that the French Government has said these people are highly organised - yet there is seemingly no pattern to their targets, not political or anything, just purely to cause terror. Terrorism in its purest form.

No Copps, that argument is flawed I'm afraid.
What about the 7/7 attacks?
It's not about knives instead of rifles.
These people will blow themselves up in order to murder innocent people.

[Copps is Magic]

Why is it flawed?

Reducing their ability to indiscriminately kill large amounts of people by reducing the weaponry they have available is flawed?

One look at American gun violence statistics vs. every other civilised country in the world will tell you it isn't.

[neil grainger]

Because rifles are the least of our worries!

These nutters have bombs Copps, they don't need rifles!
If they had stormed the London Underground in 2007 with rifles they could have killed a lot of people, but nowhere near as many as were killed by the back-pack bombs.

[roversdude]

Lowest of the low cowardly brain washed to$$ers
It can and will happen here again
Our country has been infiltrated

[Copps is Magic]

Neil, in fairness I never said it was either or. We should obviously work to reduce all types of weapons. But it seems much easier to tackle automatic (and other) guns in comparison to homemade bombs for example.

Unfortunately, Anders Brevick and the Charlie Hebdo attacks (and now this) do tell us that rifles are very much part of the problem and we should worry about them to a very large degree.

And I don't believe for a minute that terrorism is going away if we get rid of rifles btw.

[neil grainger]

There is an elephant in the room and it needs to be seen and named and shamed.

I live in Keighley and in my local paper this week we have reports of 15 Asian men in court accused of rape of a 14-year-old white girl.

These are Muslim men, aged between 17 and 62 years old.
It is a disgrace. Where is the condemnation of this from the Imams in our local Mosques?
Their silence is deafening.

It is all part of the same problem. We have enemies amongst us.
How long will we continue to tolerate this?

[Filo]

What it needs is the countries of the world, including the likes of Russia, to come together and launch a co ordinated effort to wipe these nutters off the face of the world, put political differences adide and sort this out

[roversdude]

Filo radical but I agree

[roversdude]

2 gunmen down go get rest

[neil grainger]

Why is it flawed?

Reducing their ability to indiscriminately kill large amounts of people by reducing the weaponry they have available is flawed?

One look at American gun violence statistics vs. every other civilised country in the world will tell you it isn't.

Copps, there is a huge problem in the US with guns. Their Gun Laws are ludicrous and they defy any definition of a civilised society.

But with regard to the atrocities in Paris tonight, this is a red herring.
That is my point.
France's gun laws are not like those of the US. Paris has not been targeted tonight because of its lax gun laws.
It has been targeted because it is a free, democratic, inclusive European democracy which is therefore a sitting target foe Islamist nutters who want to destroy our way of life.

These are not individual nutters who storm schools as sometimes happens in the US. This is a targeted, planned, co-ordinated attack on Western democracy.

[stuey]

To quote Stephen Fry "Religion? I've shit it!!"

[neil grainger]

To quote Stephen Fry "Religion? I've shit it!!"

Great point......if I understood it

[Filo]

Religion in all it's forms is b*llocks, too many people are killed in the name of religion!

[Filo]

Filo radical but I agree

Theres nothing radical about uniting against a common foe, despite political differences, it's happened a couple of times in the last century

[neil grainger]

I think what will unfold tonight is one of the bloodiest, most horrific incidents since 7/7.

We have to think of a more proactive way to combat this threat to our way of life.


It is just intolerable.

[mushRTID]

100 killed at concert hall alone. Heartbreaking.

Seen a report on Twitter Putin is ready to work with US to tackle Isis.

[roversdude]

Filo totally agree - there will be people trying to justify this
How they can beats me

[Sammy Chung was King]

Different countries are letting immigrants stream through borders to live in their countries, is it too simple minded to think it's all organised to get more terrorists in?.
I feel for genuine people who fear for their lives, but would they help us in our hour of need?.
The countries are too thick to see what is happening. Organise a war in a country and mingle in with the refugees, that must be possible as to what they are upto, i'm sorry but our borders should be closed to everybody, the government has to look after it's own countries security.

[roversdude]

Suicide bomber at France v Germany football
What a set of cowardly t**ts
I hope there's a few that failed to detonate that can be "questioned"