Tory Leader - Who's your preference?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Apparently they want to find ways of "helping" those who want to work past retirement age do so.

And the method of doing that is to remove state pension from everybody.

The bunch of mendacious, thieving bas**rds. A think tank headed by Ian Duncan Smith who brought you the evilness of Universal Credit.

[Glyn_Wigley]

And before you know it, the Welfare State you've paid into all your life is taken away from you. Slice by slice.

[idler]

Every job done by a pensioner would be taking one from the list of vacancies for the young unemployed.
Now how much do they pay an unmarried teenager compared to an older married man?

[bpoolrover]

What I don’t get is tories do austerity and people like Sydney play up hell for years(maybe rightly so)when boris says he will put extra police and more money in the Nhs he still moans says its a gimmick basically, what will make you happy Sydney? If boris gets 10k plus extra police gives education and Nhs more money will you say well done or will you vote for the worst opposition leader in history?

[SydneyRover]

Maybe that's because the tories have used Austerity as an ideological hammer to dismantle the welfare state (look at the NHS) and starve councils of funds to pay down debt, now all that's defenestrated because kitson-johnson wants to win an election and the debt doesn't matter any more BP.

[bpoolrover]

 It does Corbyn care about brexit or does he want to win a election?

[SydneyRover]

It does Corbyn care about brexit or does he want to win a election?

Reminder BP, JC is not in power.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

You remember during the Tory leadership campaign when Johnson said he wanted to raise the salary at which people pay higher rate tax to £80k per year?

Every stop and think how than might be paid for?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-raise-state-pension-age-18953679.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

It is not the answer and I suspect 100% they won't go for it at this point.  Auto enrolment though is the first step in abolishing state pension, it will happen one day.

Ageing population is a problem and one that is difficult/nigh on impossible to answer.

[Glyn_Wigley]

What I don’t get is tories do austerity and people like Sydney play up hell for years(maybe rightly so)when boris says he will put extra police and more money in the Nhs he still moans says its a gimmick basically, what will make you happy Sydney? If boris gets 10k plus extra police gives education and Nhs more money will you say well done or will you vote for the worst opposition leader in history?

What do you mean 'extra' police? There still won't be as many as when austerity started sacking them in the first place. A policy that Boris supported.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

You don't see the hypocrisy?

Ten years of saying "Deficit Denier" "Tighten our belts" "No Magic Money Tree", then just like that, the spending taps go on.

You don't see the hypocrisy in that?

You don't get that this lot have presided over THE worst recovery from a recession since the 1700s through their economic incompetence?

I suspect (might be wrong) that you are retired. Don't you see the spellbinding hypocrisy of leading Tories proposing that the retirement age for the rest of us goes up to 75 (because Govt can't afford to keep paying pensions from mid-60s) while also proposing to give massive tax cuts to those earning £80k per year.

You don't see any of that?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Bpool.

You don't see the hypocrisy?

Ten years of saying "Deficit Denier" "Tighten our belts" "No Magic Money Tree", then just like that, the spending taps go on.

You don't see the hypocrisy in that?

You don't get that this lot have presided over THE worst recovery from a recession since the 1700s through their economic incompetence?

I suspect (might be wrong) that you are retired. Don't you see the spellbinding hypocrisy of leading Tories proposing that the retirement age for the rest of us goes up to 75 (because Govt can't afford to keep paying pensions from mid-60s) while also proposing to give massive tax cuts to those earning £80k per year.

You don't see any of that?

As opposed to "we'll deliver Brexit, we'll deliver Brexit"...  "Ah no we want a referendum again"?

[SydneyRover]

''''EU27 diplomats have received a document from the Council and Commission describing claims made by @BorisJohnson in his #Brexit letter as “misleading” and “incorrect''''

Hard to believe really?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/aug/20/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnsons-backstop-offer-to-eu-dismissed-by-labour-as-fantasyland-wish-list-live-news#comment-132152970

Added:

EU says Boris Johnson's backstop proposal would not ensure no return to hard border in Ireland

Here is the full quote from the European commission’s spokeswoman, Natasha Bertaud, on Boris Johnson’s backstop proposal. She said:

We welcome the UK government’s engagement and continued commitment to an orderly withdrawal. We firmly believe this is in the best interests of both the EU and the UK.

However, we also note that the letter does not provide a legal operational solution to prevent the return of a hard border on the island of Ireland.

It does not set out what any alternative arrangements could be and in fact it recognises that there is no guarantee that such arrangements will be in place by the end of the transitional period.

Otherwise, as we have said on many occasions, we do stand ready to work constructively with the UK and within our mandate.