Should Starmer Resign?

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Those in glass houses and all that.

crystal palace & a glass bead NR

So stabber is just slightly hypocritical then?

[phil old leake]

Aidanstu why is the level of hypocrisy relevant
You can’t complain about someone keying a car and then try to justify pulling up a couple of bushes in a garden because it’s not as serious

[BillyStubbsTears]

The state of this thread.

The obsessive desire that some folk have for all politicians to be equally bad, so they don't have to make moral judgements.

[bpoolrover]

It needs looking into for sure, where as boris should just resign, it is not as bad as what boris has done but if he has broke any rules then as the Labour leader he should go as well

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All politicians are equal. Except some are more equal than others.

[scawsby steve]

The state of this thread.

The obsessive desire that some folk have for all politicians to be equally bad, so they don't have to make moral judgements.

With the greatest respect, BST, that's a bit of a copout. We're all stuck with 2 dreadful choices in the next GE, unless things change.

One is an out and out liar; the other is a cheat who doesn't respect democracy. Forgive us if some of us would rather stay at home than turn out to vote for either of those 2 w*nkers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

1) In what way is Starmer a cheat?
2) In what way is calling for a vote, a failure to respect democracy?

This point two is just utterly and completely ridiculous, and the idle parroting of it is debasing the language.

[drfchound]

Interesting that because a poster disagrees with the whole thread, that he denounces it.

[scawsby steve]

SS.

1) In what way is Starmer a cheat?
2) In what way is calling for a vote, a failure to respect democracy?

This point two is just utterly and completely ridiculous, and the idle parroting of it is debasing the language.

1) Go and ask the people of the North and North East.

2) Go and ask the people of the North and North East.

If you think that trying to cheat people out of the result of the biggest referendum this country's ever had, and in doing so bringing about an absolute mullering in the GE, to an absolute f*cking clown and liar, wasn't seen as an affront to democracy, then you're seriously deluded.

Don't bother coming back with the usual mini-polls and hypotheses, and "if this" and "if that" to try and justify that Labour was right in pushing for Ref 2, because it's just all b*ll*cks.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

Take a big deep breath and think about what you are saying. And I'll repeat a set of facts that are no less facts for being stuff you don't want to hear.

The results of the 2016 referendum left a small number of right wing politicians to decide what "Leave" meant. Not one single person in the country knee what "Leave" meant in 2016. Prominent Leave campaigners who told you what "Leave" could mean in 2016 were, within months of the vote, telling you that version of "Leave" was a betrayal of the Will of the People.

Those are all facts.

With that in mind, the thought that the 2016 vote was a sacrosanct model of democracy, and it was treasonous for anyone to suggest that a vote to ask the public if they truly wanted the Leave that the Tory party decided was good for them is just ridiculous.

But that's what Brexit has done to us. It's has entrenched opinions among people who want something to cling to.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And anyway. You have your f**king Brexit now.

You won.

You got it.

Why do you insist on continuing to fight that war?

Move on. Deal with the current and future issues.

[albie]

Certainly not on the basis of the false equivalence made in the opening post.
There is no reasonable comparison between that and the chaos of Downing St party time.

That said, Starmer  must be held to account for serious errors, such as the financial collapse of the Labour Party under his management;
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-labour-asl-staff-pay-cut-cash-crunch/

All is not going well under Keith and his staff.

[phil old leake]

I’m sorry Scawsby I have to disagree with you

The vote was a very close NO so why should there be a need for a second vote

If the next general election was win by one seat would it be right to ask for a second election   Monitor wouldn’t
You can’t just change things because you lose that’s a nonsense and I democratic
One of the major issues with the Nrexit problems is the initial kick back from MPs who didn’t like the result
In my view all the MPs should have sought guidance from their constituents and not voted against what the people who elected them wanted

That’s not only for Brexit it is also for The non Brexit voters as well
Let’s hope we don’t lose any games 1 nil to a 96th minute goal. You’ll be demanding a replay

[scawsby steve]

I’m sorry Scawsby I have to disagree with you

The vote was a very close NO so why should there be a need for a second vote

If the next general election was win by one seat would it be right to ask for a second election   Monitor wouldn’t
You can’t just change things because you lose that’s a nonsense and I democratic
One of the major issues with the Nrexit problems is the initial kick back from MPs who didn’t like the result
In my view all the MPs should have sought guidance from their constituents and not voted against what the people who elected them wanted

That’s not only for Brexit it is also for The non Brexit voters as well
Let’s hope we don’t lose any games 1 nil to a 96th minute goal. You’ll be demanding a replay

Phil, you're arguing with the wrong person here; it's BST you should be arguing with.

My views are the same as yours. Go back and read the posts again.

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To answer the original q, yes, let him resign.
Then give the reigns to someone who will lead the Labour Party onwards and upwards. A natural born leader. Someone to rekindle everything that is good about left wing politics.
I give you……Diane Abbott.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Phil.
We've been round this one SO many times. I find it frankly scary how little people remember about what happened after the referendum, but how trenchant their opinions are.

Labour said IMMEDIATELY after the ref that they would support A form of Brexit. One that kept our economy closely aligned to the EU.

May kicked that one out in January 2017 in her Lancaster House speech in which she unilaterally, without any reference to the British people, decided that Brexit meant Hard Brexit.

There was never a vote on that decision. It immediately contradicted every Brexit supporter who in 2016 said we could be like Switzerland or Norway. Everyone who said there was no intention of Brexit mean us leaving the Single Market.

That was a decision taken in a private office.

Labour could not possibly support that. They had not been consulted. And every sane Economist said that decision would greatly hurt future living standards.

Then the very people who had campaigned FOR Brexit, voted against it in Parliament. Johnson and his group. THEY voted against May's Brexit! But he's never critised for that.

Because in certain closed minds, there's only the followers of Starmer who tried to block Brexit.

It's actually frightening how people have been deliberately deceived on this, and encouraged to have a visceral hatred of one group.

[Sprotyrover]

Stanmer is a true leader, he needs to get Mandelson to put the ‘Spin’ on Rayner she can take one for the party… or two or three !

[tyke1962]

In my opinion Rayner is the only one including Starmer who seriously puts the shytes up Johnson or whoever stands in for him in Parliament .

They've absolutely no idea how to combat a feisty and authentic working class lass  who pulled herself up from a pregnancy at 16 years of age .

Where Starmer pulls back when he's  got Johnson on the ropes Rayner would cut his balls off and show them to the rest of the House as a prize .

That's the problem with the Labour centre , soft as shyte .

Pyssing in the same pot as those they are meant to oppose isn't without foundation at times .

[wilts rover]

#OperationBigDogsb*llocks

Of course he should resign. Having a drink with your dinner whilst you are planning a by-election & local election campaign, is exactly the same as organising drinks in the garden to enjoy the sunshine, wheeling a suitcase full of booze down the street & booking a dj during a period of national mourning - and rehearsing a press conference to work out how to deny it to the public.

Altthough why someone who wont have a bad word said against the bloke making life or death decisions for the country yet can't recognise a party when he is at it, has the nerve to ask the question - well.

#starmerout

You should stand for leader of the opposition, Wilts. You'd have the job for years to come, based on your response is so much better than your leader Starmer's.

......Unless Starmer was in enough shite without stating stuff that he couldn't back up?

My leader? I thought I was a socialist leftie (like Tyke) - now I am a right leaning centerist without even noticing!

Who knew.

Same party but standing in a different corner.................. Oops, pardon the irony.

Nah. I am just providing balance against the biased government supporters who refuse to criticise their leader.

[Filo]

#OperationBigDogsb*llocks

Of course he should resign. Having a drink with your dinner whilst you are planning a by-election & local election campaign, is exactly the same as organising drinks in the garden to enjoy the sunshine, wheeling a suitcase full of booze down the street & booking a dj during a period of national mourning - and rehearsing a press conference to work out how to deny it to the public.

Altthough why someone who wont have a bad word said against the bloke making life or death decisions for the country yet can't recognise a party when he is at it, has the nerve to ask the question - well.

#starmerout

You should stand for leader of the opposition, Wilts. You'd have the job for years to come, based on your response is so much better than your leader Starmer's.

......Unless Starmer was in enough shite without stating stuff that he couldn't back up?

My leader? I thought I was a socialist leftie (like Tyke) - now I am a right leaning centerist without even noticing!

Who knew.

Same party but standing in a different corner.................. Oops, pardon the irony.

Nah. I am just providing balance against the biased government supporters who refuse to criticise their leader.

Known as loyal Labradors

[SydneyRover]

Starmer says johnson lied. on national tv and it's been said in many national newspapers, this is where johnson can step up and sue them all, show the world he's not a lying t**t, on top of everything else I guess.

[Bentley Bullet]

#OperationBigDogsb*llocks

Of course he should resign. Having a drink with your dinner whilst you are planning a by-election & local election campaign, is exactly the same as organising drinks in the garden to enjoy the sunshine, wheeling a suitcase full of booze down the street & booking a dj during a period of national mourning - and rehearsing a press conference to work out how to deny it to the public.

Altthough why someone who wont have a bad word said against the bloke making life or death decisions for the country yet can't recognise a party when he is at it, has the nerve to ask the question - well.

#starmerout

You should stand for leader of the opposition, Wilts. You'd have the job for years to come, based on your response is so much better than your leader Starmer's.

......Unless Starmer was in enough shite without stating stuff that he couldn't back up?

My leader? I thought I was a socialist leftie (like Tyke) - now I am a right leaning centerist without even noticing!

Who knew.

Same party but standing in a different corner.................. Oops, pardon the irony.

Nah. I am just providing balance against the biased government supporters who refuse to criticise their leader.

Known as loyal Labradors

Tell me about it. I'd go to a psychiatrist if I was allowed on the couch.

[tyke1962]

Starmer says johnson lied. on national tv and it's been said in many national newspapers, this is where johnson can step up and sue them all, show the world he's not a lying t**t, on top of everything else I guess.

Perhaps the Labour membership should do the same with Keith and his leadership pledges that he's broken .

[SydneyRover]

Starmer says johnson lied. on national tv and it's been said in many national newspapers, this is where johnson can step up and sue them all, show the world he's not a lying t**t, on top of everything else I guess.

Perhaps the Labour membership should do the same with Keith and his leadership pledges that he's broken .

Maybe I was wrong the other day and your call is flower arranging tyke

[tyke1962]

Starmer says johnson lied. on national tv and it's been said in many national newspapers, this is where johnson can step up and sue them all, show the world he's not a lying t**t, on top of everything else I guess.

Perhaps the Labour membership should do the same with Keith and his leadership pledges that he's broken .

Maybe I was wrong the other day and your call is flower arranging tyke

Maybe your so tribal you can't even see your own hypocrisy .

[SydneyRover]

Any time you want to post some proof that belongs with the thread title go-ahead and beat yourself up tyke, but becoming a bb clone doesn't help your reputation. bb chucks a pile of horse shit onto the forum, it doesn't matter how much you poke about in it the are no gold nuggets in there just the chance to smell the same. The chances are bb got his 'facts' from the express anyway rather than watching the interview on the bbc, where did you see it tyke?

[tyke1962]

Any time you want to post some proof that belongs with the thread title go-ahead and beat yourself up tyke, but becoming a bb clone doesn't help your reputation. bb chucks a pile of horse shit onto the forum, it doesn't matter how much you poke about in it the are no gold nuggets in there just the chance to smell the same. The chances are bb got his 'facts' from the express anyway rather than watching the interview on the bbc, where did you see it tyke?

On my tv this morning inside my florists shop .

Business is brisk with the church goers on a Sunday morning .

 

[SydneyRover]

No proof then tyke?

[tyke1962]

No proof then tyke?

Understandably this may come as a bit of a shock to you but none the less I get emails from groups you'd probably not like and on those emails are links to tv coverage , technology is remarkable .

Groups that would cut off Keith's head and spit down his headless neck .

Now I'm a little more moderate than that but none the less I have an affiliation with those groups you wouldn't like .

Every action leads to a reaction Sydney and if you want to wage war with people who were inside the Labour movement then expect a reaction .

Whilst they'd gladly bury Johnson alive there's also a lime pit dug for his opposite number .

Just letting you know the enemies he's made for himself and nothing more than that .

[SydneyRover]

No proof then tyke?

Understandably this may come as a bit of a shock to you but none the less I get emails from groups you'd probably not like and on those emails are links to tv coverage , technology is remarkable .

Groups that would cut off Keith's head and spit down his headless neck .

Now I'm a little more moderate than that but none the less I have an affiliation with those groups you wouldn't like .

Every action leads to a reaction Sydney and if you want to wage war with people who were inside the Labour movement then expect a reaction .

Whilst they'd gladly bury Johnson alive there's also a lime pit dug for his opposite number .

Just letting you know the enemies he's made for himself and nothing more than that .

so no proof then tyke?