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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: the vicar on June 04, 2018, 10:02:25 pm
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Now what for our hallowed board the people that could not do anything wrong, a strong budget they say , well we have just been sold down the river in my book they said 7200 was a break even last season but it was a lot better than that so we should get a better one than that , but we lose a manager because they want to do it the cheap way. Now they show there true colours and they say they want to be firmly in the championship in 5 years lies lies lies. They have got us to pree buy season tickets with that promise then they go the shit budget WELL there we go
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
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Don't cry mate.
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Fair point to make and one you'd expect the vicar to make tbf.
But it's speculation either way. May be true but equally not. None of us know.
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
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It’s never been about the fans , as ever since JRs departure the remaining board had chocsen not offer statements until it has something to say . So we can expect our per annual few words very soon .
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Ever the optimist
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It’s never been about the fans , as ever since JRs departure the remaining board had chocsen not offer statements until it has something to say . So we can expect our per annual few words very soon .
Nothing wrong with that though.
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Vicar, give it a day or two then comment
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It’s never been about the fans , as ever since JRs departure the remaining board had chocsen not offer statements until it has something to say . So we can expect our per annual few words very soon .
Nothing wrong with that though.
The fact that it isn't John Ryan is exactly what is wrong, to some of our supporters. It has been since the day he stood down.
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We are not real Madrid, Leeds or even Barnsley when it comes to budget.
Given our board and attendance we have to work with what we have unless new investors come in.
I live in Cov and my god, they have it tough with SISU.
We have a forward thinking small club with a good board. Yes they are not throwing money at it...how long would that last before they have to walk away?
Some people need to get a grip.
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Rose tinted glasses comment
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Now what for our hallowed board the people that could not do anything wrong, a strong budget they say , well we have just been sold down the river in my book they said 7200 was a break even last season but it was a lot better than that so we should get a better one than that , but we lose a manager because they want to do it the cheap way. Now they show there true colours and they say they want to be firmly in the championship in 5 years lies lies lies. They have got us to pree buy season tickets with that promise then they go the shit budget WELL there we go
Objection your honour - speculation!
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Rose tinted glasses comment
nowt wrong with sight correction...now how do we retrain your brain?
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Can't believe grown men who should know better can't resist a good old knee jerk of the highest order!
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Get yersens off to bed and have a good five knuckle shuffle, that'll calm you and put you out like a candle.
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
What is there to worry about? Most people were unhappy with DF as a Manager.
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Now what for our hallowed board the people that could not do anything wrong, a strong budget they say , well we have just been sold down the river in my book they said 7200 was a break even last season but it was a lot better than that so we should get a better one than that , but we lose a manager because they want to do it the cheap way. Now they show there true colours and they say they want to be firmly in the championship in 5 years lies lies lies. They have got us to pree buy season tickets with that promise then they go the shit budget WELL there we go
Objection your honour - speculation!
what speculation that the board are shit, then no fact for the reasons I opened with
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Rose tinted glasses comment
nowt wrong with sight correction...now how do we retrain your brain?
nothing wrong with my brain, there goes you big brave man sat behind a computer slaging people off
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
What is there to worry about? Most people were unhappy with DF as a Manager.
We know the supporters board only support the board and come out in force to do that . Yet have never supported the manager.
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
What is there to worry about? Most people were unhappy with DF as a Manager.
Not sure where you get most supporters from?
Anyhow that’s not the issue I’m not overly bothered Ferguson has left I’m more concerned with what happens now.
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Managers in the past have resigned quoting “ budget this,budget that “ then pop up like Lazaruss at another club within a fortnight. Of they never get tapped up,it all comes as a complete shock to them when they are approached.
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
What is there to worry about? Most people were unhappy with DF as a Manager.
We know the supporters board only support the board and come out in force to do that . Yet have never supported the manager.
Do we? Just shows how little you know, for my part I’ve aired my displeasure at some decisions, made at the board not on a forum by the way. In respect to Fergie I’m waiting to see what happens before making a knee jerk reaction, it could be a crap budget or they just didn’t trust him with a budget. I don’t know and neither do you, let’s see who gets the job and who gets signed
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
What is there to worry about? Most people were unhappy with DF as a Manager.
We know the supporters board only support the board and come out in force to do that . Yet have never supported the manager.
The supporters board are not there to support the club board, or the manager. Their principle role is to question the club on its approach and governance.
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I think the club needed a well connected manager with a good profile and DF was a sensible choice . He wasn’t like others around and I think the board bought into his manner and demeanour . He was if nothing else DF , Profesional and believed in high standards as did O’Driscoll who was another and to this day still our single most successful manager . I hope they find a person with similar attributes to both and who can put the club on a promotion footing .
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Maybe the board withheld the budget for a reason? Just saying! 😱. Not too sad about fergie leaving but, as has been said already, what we do next is the big thing - feeling optimistic at the moment - Tisdale in!! :clapping:
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
What is there to worry about? Most people were unhappy with DF as a Manager.
And where is the evidence for that?
Every time there was a poll on here on whether to sack or back most people were actually in favour of keeping him.
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Rose tinted glasses comment
nowt wrong with sight correction...now how do we retrain your brain?
nothing wrong with my brain, there goes you big brave man sat behind a computer slaging people off
not slagging anyone off...just worry about your mental state
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Strange isn't it, how there's probably more consensus on here about this issue than there has been about any other bit of club news in the past 7 or 8 years, and people are still at loggerheads :lol:
Might be a long shot but it would be great to have the next appointment unite the fanbase.
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
What is there to worry about? Most people were unhappy with DF as a Manager.
And where is the evidence for that?
Every time there was a poll on here on whether to sack or back most people were actually in favour of keeping him.
There isn't any. Nor is there any evidence for the opposite viewpoint. But in my opinion, and the people I speak to regularly they'd had enough of his boring brand of football.
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Maybe the board withheld the budget for a reason? Just saying! 😱. Not too sad about fergie leaving but, as has been said already, what we do next is the big thing - feeling optimistic at the moment - Tisdale in!! :clapping:
You mean the manager who led his side to the league two playoff final in the last two season and failed. Is he good enough promotion on his CV where.
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Strange isn't it, how there's probably more consensus on here about this issue than there has been about any other bit of club news in the past 7 or 8 years, and people are still at loggerheads :lol:
Might be a long shot but it would be great to have the next appointment unite the fanbase.
Will never happen,
One thing is for sure whoever the new manager is , within 6 months we will have the same people on here wanting him sacked
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since JRs departure the remaining board had chocsen not offer statements until it has something to say .
Aye. I think we're missing that essential quality of making statements when there's nowt to say.
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Maybe the board withheld the budget for a reason? Just saying! 😱. Not too sad about fergie leaving but, as has been said already, what we do next is the big thing - feeling optimistic at the moment - Tisdale in!! :clapping:
You mean the manager who led his side to the league two playoff final in the last two season and failed. Is he good enough promotion on his CV where.
Yes, over achieved with a side with a small budget - twice! Ok, lost in both finals but had no right to be there with a team that really should be in the national league or struggling at the bottom of L2. Been there a long time too, so looking for a new challenge? Whoever it is I'll support them but I have an opinion and, right or wrong, that is mine.
:P
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As I said BI
Rose tinted glasses comment
nowt wrong with sight correction...now how do we retrain your brain?
nothing wrong with my brain, there goes you big brave man sat behind a computer slaging people off
not slagging anyone off...just worry about your mental state
BIG BRAVE BOY something wrong with my brain cos I don't trust the board or there band of brothers on the supporters board
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We've just lost a manager who smashed league two with for us a miracle.. lots of goals.. And 4 players in double figures including one striker smashing a 20 goal a season hoodoo which stood for 40 years.. And we talk about negative boring football or Tidsdale.. we had a better manager and if things didn't progress last season it's cos he had a limited budget which he has just said enough is enough.. the likes of Williams has just freed up wages.. we're we going to get a proven striker in to support Marquis.. If Marquis got injured last season we'd have been up the preverbial without a paddle and Fergie pushed the Board for more than tier 8 signings like May and Beestin..
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Paul Tisdale is never coming here. He seemed lined up for the MK Dons and as far as I can tell stays in the south for all his jobs. By the way, he took Exeter from the Conference to League One so he definitely has promotions on his CV. But I highly doubt he'll be anywhere near the Rovers job.
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Paul Tisdale is never coming here. He seemed lined up for the MK Dons and as far as I can tell stays in the south for all his jobs. By the way, he took Exeter from the Conference to League One so he definitely has promotions on his CV. But I highly doubt he'll be anywhere near the Rovers job.
But he hasn’t got a side out of league 1 to the Championship we need a manager who knows what’s required to achieve that goal.
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The simple fact is that Fergie has gone and I have no doubt he will find another club easy enough. In the meantime we have no manager and little chance of getting early good signings for next season while we sort out a new manager. Not the start to a competitive season we would want. He has already said he is leaving because of the board and if not budgetary constraints then how about someone saying what the reason is instead of all this speculation.
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Paul Tisdale is never coming here. He seemed lined up for the MK Dons and as far as I can tell stays in the south for all his jobs. By the way, he took Exeter from the Conference to League One so he definitely has promotions on his CV. But I highly doubt he'll be anywhere near the Rovers job.
But he hasn’t got a side out of league 1 to the Championship we need a manager who knows what’s required to achieve that goal.
The board don’t want Championship football the club can’t afford the wage increase.
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Paul Tisdale is never coming here. He seemed lined up for the MK Dons and as far as I can tell stays in the south for all his jobs. By the way, he took Exeter from the Conference to League One so he definitely has promotions on his CV. But I highly doubt he'll be anywhere near the Rovers job.
But he hasn’t got a side out of league 1 to the Championship we need a manager who knows what’s required to achieve that goal.
So we don’t want a manger who has never got a side promoted to Tier 2 then?
Like...errr...Sean O’Driscoll c.2006?
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Paul Tisdale is never coming here. He seemed lined up for the MK Dons and as far as I can tell stays in the south for all his jobs. By the way, he took Exeter from the Conference to League One so he definitely has promotions on his CV. But I highly doubt he'll be anywhere near the Rovers job.
But he hasn’t got a side out of league 1 to the Championship we need a manager who knows what’s required to achieve that goal.
The board don’t want Championship football the club can’t afford the wage increase.
So the increase in solidarity payments and TV funds don't cover that increase? I think you'll find that's more than enough.
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Melodramatic. Have got all the facta before blaming the board? Nope..thought not.
Looking forward to all those investors coming in
The Rose coloured facts?? Will appear from the supporters board posters who will tell us all not to worry.
What is there to worry about? Most people were unhappy with DF as a Manager.
And where is the evidence for that?
Every time there was a poll on here on whether to sack or back most people were actually in favour of keeping him.
You only to go back to the last 5-10 games and the discontent amongst supporters was pretty evident. I don’t think anybody thought he was a bad manager, just unable to maintain his performance over a whole season. A bit ‘meh’ when all is said and done...
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Paul Tisdale is never coming here. He seemed lined up for the MK Dons and as far as I can tell stays in the south for all his jobs. By the way, he took Exeter from the Conference to League One so he definitely has promotions on his CV. But I highly doubt he'll be anywhere near the Rovers job.
But he hasn’t got a side out of league 1 to the Championship we need a manager who knows what’s required to achieve that goal.
Forget the championship! Anything better than survival next season i’ll Take right now. Not sure this was in the ‘5 year plan’.
Big set back this. The uncertainty it brings to all aspects of the club surely isn’t good
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
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Paul Tisdale is never coming here. He seemed lined up for the MK Dons and as far as I can tell stays in the south for all his jobs. By the way, he took Exeter from the Conference to League One so he definitely has promotions on his CV. But I highly doubt he'll be anywhere near the Rovers job.
But he hasn’t got a side out of league 1 to the Championship we need a manager who knows what’s required to achieve that goal.
Ferguson had experience of that,
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
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lets see where Fergie is in a couple of weeks, maybe he wanted out.
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He might start looking for jobs now, it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s why he left.
The board need to come out today and give a statement that answers all the unanswered questions
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
The board will tell Martin the rhetoric they want to be portrayed to the fans. The wouldn’t portray a negative outlook under any circumstances would they. It would be too damaging to the club in regards to ST sales and potential sponsorship/revenue.
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
The board will tell Martin the rhetoric they want to be portrayed to the fans. The wouldn’t portray a negative outlook under any circumstances would they. It would be too damaging to the club in regards to ST sales and potential sponsorship/revenue.
I thought Martin represented the fans... Not the board?
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Just exactly what do you expect the board to say? They won't wash dirty linen in public that's for sure.
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Just exactly what do you expect the board to say? They won't wash dirty linen in public that's for sure.
The fact that this news was released by the LMA suggests that it was totally unexpected, if it was Fergie has shown a lack of respect to the club, the LMA usually release a statement after the event. I expect the club to release a statement asap regarding the lead up to this and possibly condeming Fergie for running to the LMA rather than them both releasing a joint statement. The club stood by him when we got relegated and more recently when Sir Alex had his brain bleed and it appears he has just shit on the club
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Whether he resigned or not
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Just exactly what do you expect the board to say? They won't wash dirty linen in public that's for sure.
The fact that this news was released by the LMA suggests that it was totally unexpected, if it was Fergie has shown a lack of respect to the club, the LMA usually release a statement after the event. I expect the club to release a statement asap regarding the lead up to this and possibly condeming Fergie for running to the LMA rather than them both releasing a joint statement. The club stood by him when we got relegated and more recently when Sir Alex had his brain bleed and it appears he has just shit on the club
That’s not how it currently appears to me
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There could be a billion reasons why he thinks this though couldn't there? Ranging from lack of funds to unrealistic demands to wanting to speak to another club or the board not having full confidence in him.
Many managers have had issues with budgets before. Sod was vocal on thst point but got on with it. My gut is that isn't the issue.
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We've just lost a manager who smashed league two with for us a miracle..
We finished 3rd. Hardly smashed the league.
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We achieved probably the most comfortable promotion in our history
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We've just lost a manager who smashed league two with for us a miracle..
We finished 3rd. Hardly smashed the league.
Good job getting promoted straight after relegation though. Some teams stay down for years.
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He might start looking for jobs now, it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s why he left.
The board need to come out today and give a statement that answers all the unanswered questions
Not likely to happen . There is little to gained by exposing riffs or disputes , only the best interests of the club are what’s important now and the new man gets a clean sheet and a fit squad to work with.
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
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We achieved probably the most comfortable promotion in our history
We should never have been in league 2 you cretin
And had there been a few more games to play we probably would still be in league2!!
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
The board will tell Martin the rhetoric they want to be portrayed to the fans. The wouldn’t portray a negative outlook under any circumstances would they. It would be too damaging to the club in regards to ST sales and potential sponsorship/revenue.
That's just rubbish. The inference is that I'm speaking on behalf of the board which is totally untrue. I question their motives just like anybody else, I ask the questions that most fans want to ask, and then I will speak from a position of knowledge and not rumour and Chinese whispers.
I can't believe I'm even having to write that!
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There could be a billion reasons why he thinks this though couldn't there? Ranging from lack of funds to unrealistic demands to wanting to speak to another club or the board not having full confidence in him.
Many managers have had issues with budgets before. Sod was vocal on thst point but got on with it. My gut is that isn't the issue.
I would trust your gut Andy.
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
That gives the impression Ferguson would have been sacked had he not resigned.
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Well if you’re saying he was pushed but he’s saying he resigned then yes he must be lying
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Why not just post what you actually mean and instead its not always inuendo?
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Why not just post what you actually mean and instead its not always inuendo?
It’s always the same with Martin. Implication then denial when questioned.
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Well if you’re saying he was pushed but he’s saying he resigned then yes he must be lying
I habvn't said he was pushed, stop putting words into my mouth.
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Well if you’re saying he was pushed but he’s saying he resigned then yes he must be lying
I habvn't said he was pushed, stop putting words into my mouth.
You were implying things were made difficult for him because the board didn’t trust him. That’s at least a slight push!
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Well if you’re saying he was pushed but he’s saying he resigned then yes he must be lying
I habvn't said he was pushed, stop putting words into my mouth.
You were implying things were made difficult for him because the board didn’t trust him. That’s at least a slight push!
I didn't imply that either, that's your interpretation.
What I have said quite clearly, is that the board were disappointed with our finishing position and that the budget hasn't been cut. Everybody else has jumped onto the budget scenario.
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No point in the board making any statement as they will be called liars anyway by certain people on here.
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Well if you’re saying he was pushed but he’s saying he resigned then yes he must be lying
I habvn't said he was pushed, stop putting words into my mouth.
You were implying things were made difficult for him because the board didn’t trust him. That’s at least a slight push!
I didn't imply that either, that's your interpretation.
What I have said quite clearly, is that the board were disappointed with our finishing position and that the budget hasn't been cut. Everybody else has jumped onto the budget scenario.
That is the first time you have actually said that the board were disappointed with our finishing position.
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
No-one should speak for DF except DF. If DF wants to tell us the reasons, it's up to him, not someone else to try and read his mind.
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I think that's one of the reasons people question the budget and what we are told..On one hand you have Feguson and Strachan saying that we finished were we expected to this season,then on the other hand we are told that the board were disappointed with the finishing position..Different hymm sheets...
Whilst personally I don't believe the budget is the reason that DF has gone,i cant blame anyone for thinking it is..Fans can only go on what we they read and hear..DF left nobody in any doubt that he wasn't happy with the length of time or the muted budget he had to work with and then he has resigned..Until told otherwise by the club that's the logical reason fans will jump to..
My own personal opinion based on no knowledge whatsoever is that the board were split on whether Ferguson was the man for the job anyway,and once Fergie had a pop at them in the press even his supporters would have been annoyed that after the loyalty they showed him in the past when other clubs would have sacked him,he would do that,it caused unrest with the fans and undermined the board before we even started looking at next season...
So there stance toughened on one or two things Fergie was hoping to do and he realised he had lost there confidence and quit....
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Well if you’re saying he was pushed but he’s saying he resigned then yes he must be lying
I habvn't said he was pushed, stop putting words into my mouth.
You were implying things were made difficult for him because the board didn’t trust him. That’s at least a slight push!
I didn't imply that either, that's your interpretation.
What I have said quite clearly, is that the board were disappointed with our finishing position and that the budget hasn't been cut. Everybody else has jumped onto the budget scenario.
That is the first time you have actually said that the board were disappointed with our finishing position.
Well if they weren’t they are the only ones! I was well pissed off with our position and certainly our performances. I’d be fuming if it was my millions. Good riddance onwards and upwards!
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
No-one should speak for DF except DF. If DF wants to tell us the reasons, it's up to him, not someone else to try and read his mind.
So are you saying that the club has played no part in DF's decision to resign? Strange that he says differently. I presume you want the club to say nothing and leave us mushrooms in the dark?
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
Exactly, Ferguson has clearly stated he resigned because he felt he had no alternative.
Martin has suggested Ferguson is telling lies, so the board need to tell us their side of the story
Where have I suggested he's lying? You, along with others, keep intimating that there's something wrong or rotten inside the club, I'm assuring you that is not the case.
Because he’s saying he resigned but you’re implying he was pushed
So I haven't said he's lying then!
Well if you’re saying he was pushed but he’s saying he resigned then yes he must be lying
I habvn't said he was pushed, stop putting words into my mouth.
You were implying things were made difficult for him because the board didn’t trust him. That’s at least a slight push!
I didn't imply that either, that's your interpretation.
What I have said quite clearly, is that the board were disappointed with our finishing position and that the budget hasn't been cut. Everybody else has jumped onto the budget scenario.
Sorry Martin but Gavin Baldwin didn’t portray that disappointment
Described looking back at the season with pride and optimism
"As we look back on the 2017/18 season, we can do so with a sense of pride and optimism. Everyone connected with the club wants us to be challenging in the higher reaches of the table, but the progression of the team and club is evident. This has ultimately been a season of consolidation, but it has had some really high moments and there are some solid foundations for us to build from over the summer and into next season. We have a young and talented squad, all of whom have plenty of scope for further development. We can be content with how this season has gone, but it is something everyone is looking to improve upon for next season."
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
No-one should speak for DF except DF. If DF wants to tell us the reasons, it's up to him, not someone else to try and read his mind.
So are you saying that the club has played no part in DF's decision to resign? Strange that he says differently. I presume you want the club to say nothing and leave us mushrooms in the dark?
It isn’t strange to me that a DF is saying differently ( if that turns out to be the case).
I have known plenty of people in my working life who were levered out of a job by having things made difficult for them and then hearing that person giving a different version of events to people in an attempt to save face.
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:pinch:What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
No-one should speak for DF except DF. If DF wants to tell us the reasons, it's up to him, not someone else to try and read his mind.
So are you saying that the club has played no part in DF's decision to resign? Strange that he says differently. I presume you want the club to say nothing and leave us mushrooms in the dark?
It isn’t strange to me that a DF is saying differently ( if that turns out to be the case).
I have known plenty of people in my working life who were levered out of a job by having things made difficult for them and then hearing that person giving a different version of events to people in an attempt to save face.
I think you are slightly missing my point hound. I was replying to Glyn Wigley who inferred that the club didn't need to make a statement.
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No problem, I was putting my point in to say that I am not surprised if DF tells a different story to the club.
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No problem, I was putting my point in to say that I am not surprised if DF tells a different story to the club.
Well so far we have only had one side to the story.
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The club haven’t told their story yet though
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Correct and there are plenty of people jumping to conclusions before knowing the other story.
The truth will probably be somewhere between the two versions by the way.
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The club haven’t told their story yet though
Which is surprising to be honest, I would have thought they would have got somthing out first thing given DF made it look like it was the boards fault
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Which makes you think, maybe it is
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Has anybody had the conversation with a girlfriend and she tells you it isn't working and she doesn't trust you ( rumours you've been seeing that bitch from Milton Keynes) and she doesn't know how she feels about you. She is probably going to dump you but you got to the pub first and decided to tell everybody that you dumped her first?
Those that don't really know you and think you're a great guy and it's all her fault. The more cautious ones think mmmmm... You don't know what goes on behind closed doors and reserve judgement.
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The board will have said they want to be challenging at the top of the table and Fergie will have said he will need more money if they want this to be the case. They said no and he jacked. That will be the story.
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Which makes you think, maybe it is
I am getting quite concerned Dickos. I am agreeing with far too many of your posts today :laugh: :laugh:
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Me too. You simply cannot say you were delighted with where we've finished this season and then follow it by sending a supporters representative to suggest it was a disappointment.
There's more propaganda being fired out here than North Korea and its being expected that we'll just drink it down.
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Which makes you think, maybe it is
Fault?
I am the MD at my company.
Ferguson was underperforming.
He considered himself an above average manager.
He had an above average budget.
His team and performances were dire.
We finished and throughout the season were well below par.
Question.
Do we have the confidence that he could/will improve next season?
Hmmm... Well there are no signs and haven't been.
Do we wait or act now?
We call him in and do an evaluation. Based on that we make a decision.
DECISION MADE!
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Which makes you think, maybe it is
Fault?
I am the MD at my company.
Ferguson was underperforming.
He considered himself an above average manager.
He had an above average budget.
His team and performances were dire.
We finished and throughout the season were well below par.
Question.
Do we have the confidence that he could/will improve next season?
Hmmm... Well there are no signs and haven't been.
Do we wait or act now?
We call him in and do an evaluation. Based on that we make a decision.
DECISION MADE!
That’s your interpretation to suit your views it’s not what the CEO said in a public interview.
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Which makes you think, maybe it is
Fault?
I am the MD at my company.
Ferguson was underperforming.
He considered himself an above average manager.
He had an above average budget.
His team and performances were dire.
We finished and throughout the season were well below par.
Question.
Do we have the confidence that he could/will improve next season?
Hmmm... Well there are no signs and haven't been.
Do we wait or act now?
We call him in and do an evaluation. Based on that we make a decision.
DECISION MADE!
That’s your interpretation to suit your views it’s not what the CEO said in a public interview.
And you've never interpretated something to suit your view Steve?
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Which makes you think, maybe it is
Fault?
I am the MD at my company.
Ferguson was underperforming.
He considered himself an above average manager.
He had an above average budget.
His team and performances were dire.
We finished and throughout the season were well below par.
Question.
Do we have the confidence that he could/will improve next season?
Hmmm... Well there are no signs and haven't been.
Do we wait or act now?
We call him in and do an evaluation. Based on that we make a decision.
DECISION MADE!
That’s your interpretation to suit your views it’s not what the CEO said in a public interview.
Shock
"Manager Gets The Backing of the Board"
That's never happened before
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What we need is a CLEAR statement today from the CEO giving us the truth as to why DF is no longer at the club.
No-one should speak for DF except DF. If DF wants to tell us the reasons, it's up to him, not someone else to try and read his mind.
So are you saying that the club has played no part in DF's decision to resign? Strange that he says differently. I presume you want the club to say nothing and leave us mushrooms in the dark?
No-one knows DF's reasons but himself. It's not for anyone else to guess at them. Not the club's. Not yours either.
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https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/a-parting-of-the-ways-after-a-split-in-ideas-the-story-of-darren-ferguson-s-departure-from-doncaster-rovers-1-9193702
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Which makes you think, maybe it is
Fault?
I am the MD at my company.
Ferguson was underperforming.
He considered himself an above average manager.
He had an above average budget.
His team and performances were dire.
We finished and throughout the season were well below par.
Question.
Do we have the confidence that he could/will improve next season?
Hmmm... Well there are no signs and haven't been.
Do we wait or act now?
We call him in and do an evaluation. Based on that we make a decision.
DECISION MADE!
That’s your interpretation to suit your views it’s not what the CEO said in a public interview.
Shock
"Manager Gets The Backing of the Board"
That's never happened before
So you’re suggesting we should take no notice of what they say in public?
I think when Gavin said it he had no inclination Fergie would be leaving. But they can’t now say it was a disappointing season only a couple of weeks after saying it was a season full of pride and optimism.
Anyhow they haven’t said that yet that’s only what Martin suggested
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Different what they say in public to how they actually feel. They're not gonna slags him off to our fans.
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https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/a-parting-of-the-ways-after-a-split-in-ideas-the-story-of-darren-ferguson-s-departure-from-doncaster-rovers-1-9193702
I'm a bit disappointed with that article because it doesn't seem to say a lot. A very long winded way of reiterating that Fergie felt the budget wasn't good enough. And that's about it.
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When have you ever heard a manager say that ‘he had too much’ the board watched Shrewsbury Town take the League by the scruff of the neck and you could think that should have been us .
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When have you ever heard a manager say that ‘he had too much’ the board watched Shrewsbury Town take the League by the scruff of the neck and you could think that should have been us .
Did we sign 12 players in the summer and another three at the January window. Althoughs players must have been on low wages. But we will see in 18 months what their wage bill was then we won’t have to guess.
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Different what they say in public to how they actually feel. They're not gonna slags him off to our fans.
I think they could say it was a disappointing season, Fergie has said it himself
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I think we should all take a breath and see what transpires over the next few days. Now, does anyone have Sammy Chung's number...
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The board will have said they want to be challenging at the top of the table and Fergie will have said he will need more money if they want this to be the case. They said no and he jacked. That will be the story.
Surely that's proves Fergies limitations. He knows he needs expensive players to get promotion whereas it has been shown this season that a club with a lower budget can get right to the edge of promotion in this league. Maybe he is not as good as he thinks he is?
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The bottom line is football management is not easy. Any management of people and resources is not easy. It takes a lot of time and commitment and attention to detail.
There is no right or wrong way, there is no one solution to being certain of success. Maybe DF felt he needed additional quality that needed additional funding and less input from himself to get the team performing. The unfortunate health issues of his dad may have also made him reappraise things and come to the conclusion he felt he couldn't succeed with the cards he has at his disposal.
I have no reason to doubt his integrity nor have I any reason to question the boards integrity.
We move on. It's football.