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Said it for years. Our youth set up is a joke.
I think Al has said that we are improving our scouting. Always has annoyed me that we never snap up lads like Mowatt, Yates from Rotherham and Latibeaudiere at Man City. We obviously can't compete with massive clubs in keeping them but we should be signing them up before other clubs do.
Fcuk knows what they feed the youth team players on at Chelsea but the 16/17 year olds in that set up are scary .When I saw scary it's the physical shape and size of these kids that's serious as it's men against boys whoever they play against at the same age and level.They must stick them in grow bags during the non season months and keep them in greenhouses during winter months.Their strength on the pitch allways out points the other team by far.
Quote from: not on facebook on May 17, 2017, 02:12:34 pmFcuk knows what they feed the youth team players on at Chelsea but the 16/17 year olds in that set up are scary .When I saw scary it's the physical shape and size of these kids that's serious as it's men against boys whoever they play against at the same age and level.They must stick them in grow bags during the non season months and keep them in greenhouses during winter months.Their strength on the pitch allways out points the other team by far.And this is the exact reason why England will not win anything for many many years to come. I know the FA are trying to shake things up with their England DNA, But English academies always want the biggest, strongest and fastest. The smaller skilful kids don't get a look in.
Quote from: Nudga on May 17, 2017, 02:50:46 pmQuote from: not on facebook on May 17, 2017, 02:12:34 pmFcuk knows what they feed the youth team players on at Chelsea but the 16/17 year olds in that set up are scary .When I saw scary it's the physical shape and size of these kids that's serious as it's men against boys whoever they play against at the same age and level.They must stick them in grow bags during the non season months and keep them in greenhouses during winter months.Their strength on the pitch allways out points the other team by far.And this is the exact reason why England will not win anything for many many years to come. I know the FA are trying to shake things up with their England DNA, But English academies always want the biggest, strongest and fastest. The smaller skilful kids don't get a look in. Agreed, there also used to be a stat to back this up (although I haven't seen it for a while) that in youth set ups in the younger age groups there are a much larger %age of kids born September - December than there are from January - summer due to those kids being the older ones and having a few months extra development which as a proportion of their age makes a difference.On the general state of play re our youth system, I wonder how much of it is chicken and egg situation. Do we have a poor record of producing youngsters because the better kids go to the more well established local academies (Leeds, Wednesday, Barnsley) or do they go to the more established local academies because we have such a poor record of producing youngsters?For me, whislt they haven't turned out as hoped, I do think the recent presence of Lund and Middleton does show some signs of improvement.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on May 17, 2017, 01:22:44 pmI think Al has said that we are improving our scouting. Always has annoyed me that we never snap up lads like Mowatt, Yates from Rotherham and Latibeaudiere at Man City. We obviously can't compete with massive clubs in keeping them but we should be signing them up before other clubs do.Bobby Carroll at Everton (keep an eye out for him!!) is another one Rovers missed out on. He is the best I have seen at my lads age group in Doncaster, played for Bessacarr juniors for a few games. Was initially at Leeds then Everton snapped him up. Unfortunately the best local talent will always be taken up by bigger clubs, however we should still be getting local talent through to the first team as a matter of course as that is the most sustainable way for us to survive & progress.
Quote from: DonnyNoel on May 17, 2017, 04:03:17 pmQuote from: Nudga on May 17, 2017, 02:50:46 pmQuote from: not on facebook on May 17, 2017, 02:12:34 pmFcuk knows what they feed the youth team players on at Chelsea but the 16/17 year olds in that set up are scary .When I saw scary it's the physical shape and size of these kids that's serious as it's men against boys whoever they play against at the same age and level.They must stick them in grow bags during the non season months and keep them in greenhouses during winter months.Their strength on the pitch allways out points the other team by far.And this is the exact reason why England will not win anything for many many years to come. I know the FA are trying to shake things up with their England DNA, But English academies always want the biggest, strongest and fastest. The smaller skilful kids don't get a look in. Agreed, there also used to be a stat to back this up (although I haven't seen it for a while) that in youth set ups in the younger age groups there are a much larger %age of kids born September - December than there are from January - summer due to those kids being the older ones and having a few months extra development which as a proportion of their age makes a difference.On the general state of play re our youth system, I wonder how much of it is chicken and egg situation. Do we have a poor record of producing youngsters because the better kids go to the more well established local academies (Leeds, Wednesday, Barnsley) or do they go to the more established local academies because we have such a poor record of producing youngsters?For me, whislt they haven't turned out as hoped, I do think the recent presence of Lund and Middleton does show some signs of improvement.There is also the case for "over coaching ", thus knocking out the creativity for more clone like players who can run in straight lines quickly and robustly. The FA have recognised this and are going more in the way of street football. Taking out cone drills and replacing them with loads of players in a small area playing over loaded games and letting kids learn by their own mistakes and developing instinctive, creative players. Like I say, the academies don't seem to be following suit.
Quote from: Nudga on May 17, 2017, 04:22:26 pmQuote from: DonnyNoel on May 17, 2017, 04:03:17 pmQuote from: Nudga on May 17, 2017, 02:50:46 pmQuote from: not on facebook on May 17, 2017, 02:12:34 pmFcuk knows what they feed the youth team players on at Chelsea but the 16/17 year olds in that set up are scary .When I saw scary it's the physical shape and size of these kids that's serious as it's men against boys whoever they play against at the same age and level.They must stick them in grow bags during the non season months and keep them in greenhouses during winter months.Their strength on the pitch allways out points the other team by far.And this is the exact reason why England will not win anything for many many years to come. I know the FA are trying to shake things up with their England DNA, But English academies always want the biggest, strongest and fastest. The smaller skilful kids don't get a look in. Agreed, there also used to be a stat to back this up (although I haven't seen it for a while) that in youth set ups in the younger age groups there are a much larger %age of kids born September - December than there are from January - summer due to those kids being the older ones and having a few months extra development which as a proportion of their age makes a difference.On the general state of play re our youth system, I wonder how much of it is chicken and egg situation. Do we have a poor record of producing youngsters because the better kids go to the more well established local academies (Leeds, Wednesday, Barnsley) or do they go to the more established local academies because we have such a poor record of producing youngsters?For me, whislt they haven't turned out as hoped, I do think the recent presence of Lund and Middleton does show some signs of improvement.There is also the case for "over coaching ", thus knocking out the creativity for more clone like players who can run in straight lines quickly and robustly. The FA have recognised this and are going more in the way of street football. Taking out cone drills and replacing them with loads of players in a small area playing over loaded games and letting kids learn by their own mistakes and developing instinctive, creative players. Like I say, the academies don't seem to be following suit.Been watching quite a few of the Chelsea under 17s team this season and they do not run in straight lines for sure.That houghton at rovers who everyone says is too draw ,was playing for Chelsea under17s two seasons back .Just look at Chelsea's 2nd goal in the recent FA youth cup final at Stamford bridge.it was scored by a 16 year old and the goal was from Brazil South American standards.Now this is not a racist comment so wind your necks in ,but the amount of black kids in the youth set ups of man city Chelsea arsenal is very very interesting fact.Are white kids getting lazzy by sitting in their bedrooms on the PC all day while the coloured kids are out playing football football and more football.
Quote from: GazLaz on May 17, 2017, 12:40:09 pmSaid it for years. Our youth set up is a joke.We need to bring in someone local for this. Graham Rix could groom the youth team.