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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: roverstillidie91 on September 17, 2019, 09:40:39 pm
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Not one to moan usually as I believe we have made a solid start to the season and I don't actually go many games due to work.
However lowest scorers in the top half it's clear to see we haven't got enough goals in our strike force if we are wanting to challenge for the top 6.
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Thought Blackpool did a complete job on us tonight then a sucker punch.
Win, lose or draw - the evidence has been clear in every single game - we need a striker. Its going to cost us over the course of the season.
Oh well, we move on.
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While second half was better we hardly tested the keeper, against teams that attack us 1 up front is fine but tonight sadly showed how we were lacking in attacking options
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Numerous time tonight we gave Blackpool the ball, eventually we gave it away once too often and paid the price!
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Numerous time tonight we gave Blackpool the ball, eventually we gave it away once too often and paid the price!
I thought we passed it around brilliantly at the weekend and there were hints of it tonight but too often it ended sloppily. Poor pass from Whiteman for their goal and you’d expect better from a) your captain and b) someone who is as good as him.
Not the end of the world but need to improve to stay in or around the play-offs. Think it’s a bit of a reality check after coming away from Ipswich talking about the top two.
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Really just need a couple more players and we’re there without them over a long season we won’t last in top 6,Ennis ran all night but our option to replace him is kiwoma need better
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Rovers problems stem from the front. Solid at the back. Once the game settles down, we usually dominate possession, with Sheaf and Whiteman having time to play from the back. But today there were no outlets upfront.
People are going to slag Haliday (I can anticipate it) but at least he kept running and running and trying to make an opening. Alright his passing was off. You can't blame him if none of the attacking players are showing. May and Sadlier were very disappointing I thought, and Ennis got physically bullied. Taylor was good first half, but knackered the 2nd.
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There was a massive gap between Ennis and the midfield until copps came on
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That was some of the worse football I’ve seen rovers play for a good while. We could not string two passes together and got what we deserved!
COYR
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Only Sadlier had the brains to get on the ball in between the lines in the first half. The game was crying out for Coppinger but I’d have taken May off in the circumstances.
Frustrating. Lots of territory, moved them about a bit but something missing up too.
We almost asked for what happened in the end after so many wasteful passes.
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They played 3 at the back , giving them an extra man in midfield and it showed.
At times it looked as though they had 2 extra , they defended in numbers and attacked in numbers and we did nothing to counter it.
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Playing Sadlier in the hole was not the wisest of moves, he looked out of place all the first half....I blame Darren for not playing his strongest 11 ...
Coppinger gets rested when he has sustained numerous bone breaks and fractures....and not ever when he’s fit....
Everyone played good and bad....
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It wasn’t all that bad was it. So close to having back to back clean sheets. Game could have gone either way and in the end it was a wayward pass from our captain that cost us.
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One of those nights. A tight game that probably should’ve ended 0-0 or 1-1 but we lost it through a series of mistakes right at the end.
Whiteman was sloppy giving the ball away and Anderson should’ve gone back into position instead of trying to go up and score the winning goal.
Even so, these things happen. Doesn’t feel like a crushing defeat and I don’t think it’s something to massively worry about. It wasn’t our best game tonight and we were sloppy at times, but it was really an even game against a decent and very well organised team, that we should’ve taken at least a point from.
We are lacking something up front still though. If Anichebe is half the player he was at Everton and Sunderland he will add something to this team.
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It wasn’t all that bad was it. So close to having back to back clean sheets. Game could have gone either way and in the end it was a wayward pass from our captain that cost us.
One of many wayward passes tonight, even Lawlor got in on the act and gave the ball to their Centre Forward, god inows what he was trying to do
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Didn’t think the performance was that bad.
We should have exploited the left more as James and Taylor showed some great link up play in the first half but we seemed to keep going down the right hand side.
Both bens were good as you would expect.
Halliday is terrible, new right back needed ASAP.
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I didn't think it was a terrible performance, in fact I cannot believe we managed to lose the game. We actually gifted it to Blackpool tonight at the end there.
We should've been out of sight though well before that happened. We need to be more clinical and stop messing about with it, our build up play was fine but we seemed to panic everytime we got in or around the penalty area.
Halliday just is not good enough, I would like to see somebody else play RB because time and time again he is going to cost us if we persist with him. Poor signing from GM.
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I think the tactics were wrong. No need, at all, for 2 holding players against a flat 3-5-2. One would have been fine and added an extra outlet which was the issue for the whole game. They doubled up very well on James/Taylor and it meant we ran out of ideas very quickly. Ennis should have scored though and it would have been a very different 2nd half if he had.
2 players had particularly bad games though IMO - 1) May lacked everything that he has been praised for recently. He couldn’t even trap the ball for most of the 2nd half 2) Ben Sheaf - wow. Just wow. How on earth can one player make the same mistake over and over and over. I know he’s young but that doesn’t forgive repeated piss poor passing.
Special mention to that Lawlor pass... haha.
Anyway. Let’s hope we learn from it and move on.
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Blackpool did their homework, hunted us down at the back stopping us from playing out, leading us to giving away possession time & time & time again. Improved second half playing with a bit more urgency, but nowhere near good enough to deserve the win, best team won.
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If Sheaf was any more laid back he would be horizontal, he was very poor tonight and May looked like the Alfie May of last season rather than the new Alfie.
Sheaf is steady away but I've seen nothing to suggest he's brilliant as some have portrayed and he has a lot to learn.
May, Sheaf and Halliday all poor tonight, Ennis battled well and was so unlucky not to score. Whiteman was unusually average and Anderson and John didn't look as solid as we've come to accept.
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I thought Blackpool were shoit!
Pretty crap all over the park....they only materialised has a football team when we cocked up....which was quite frequent! ....
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Didn’t think the performance was that bad.
We should have exploited the left more as James and Taylor showed some great link up play in the first half but we seemed to keep going down the right hand side.
Both bens were good as you would expect.
Halliday is terrible, new right back needed ASAP.
I though Halliday had a good game not far off MOTM.
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Is Halliday just a scape goat this season? How can people praise Ben Sheaf and slate Halliday. I don’t get what people are watching at all.
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Only Sadlier had the brains to get on the ball in between the lines in the first half. The game was crying out for Coppinger but I’d have taken May off in the circumstances.
Frustrating. Lots of territory, moved them about a bit but something missing up too.
We almost asked for what happened in the end after so many wasteful passes.
Agree. Thought he should have kept Sadlier on and taken May off. ( even though he was an early sub himself ). Sadlier is better coming in from wide positions and Alfie just doesn’t score or goes past people.
Disappointed with Reece James tonight as he didn’t seem to want to take his man on and get crosses in from behind their defence.
We just lacked a bit of quality and quite frankly those who are saying Ennis isn’t good enough, well your joking aren’t you. No one is going to tell me John Marquis would have scored tonight.
If the striker doesn’t get the service he ain’t going to score. Simple as that.
Ennis is top quality and will score goals with the right service. He didn’t get it tonight.
It just was not meant to be and we fell for sucker punch at the end. It happens. We move on to the next game. Bring it on.
We will have learnt a lot from that match and it is no bad thing to be brought back down to Earth with a reality check.
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Is Halliday just a scape goat this season? How can people praise Ben Sheaf and slate Halliday. I don’t get what people are watching at all.
The people slagging off Sheaf are also slagging off Halliday. Both seem to be scapegoats.
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Only Sadlier had the brains to get on the ball in between the lines in the first half. The game was crying out for Coppinger but I’d have taken May off in the circumstances.
Frustrating. Lots of territory, moved them about a bit but something missing up too.
We almost asked for what happened in the end after so many wasteful passes.
Agree. Thought he should have kept Sadlier on and taken May off. ( even though he was an early sub himself ). Sadlier is better coming in from wide positions and Alfie just doesn’t score or goes past people.
Disappointed with Reece James tonight as he didn’t seem to want to take his man on and get crosses in from behind their defence.
We just lacked a bit of quality and quite frankly those who are saying Ennis isn’t good enough, well your joking aren’t you. No one is going to tell me John Marquis would have scored tonight.
If the striker doesn’t get the service he ain’t going to score. Simple as that.
Ennis is top quality and will score goals with the right service. He didn’t get it tonight.
It just was not meant to be and we fell for sucker punch at the end. It happens. We move on to the next game. Bring it on.
We will have learnt a lot from that match and it is no bad thing to be brought back down to Earth with a reality check.
Have to agree with that summary Campsall.
Pretty fair that.
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I thought that tonight at times we over complicated things and lost the ball. It’s good to see them having the confidence to play tricky football but there is sometimes a time to do it simply
As I’ve mentioned in another thread and it’s mentioned on here. We desperately need a striker
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Didn’t think the performance was that bad.
We should have exploited the left more as James and Taylor showed some great link up play in the first half but we seemed to keep going down the right hand side.
Both bens were good as you would expect.
Halliday is terrible, new right back needed ASAP.
:headbang: Rubbish. Completely disagree. Seems as though some on here can’t live without a scapegoat.
He played very well. Final ball not great but he did more than James tonight in offensive play.
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Halliday was OK. The back 7 was OK, we just lacked in the final third with players not quite on song and sometimes not taking responsibility. Sadlier, Taylor, May not having their best games.
I still thought we'd sneak a winner but alas we were not quite on it tonight. Shit happens, next!
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Didn’t think the performance was that bad.
We should have exploited the left more as James and Taylor showed some great link up play in the first half but we seemed to keep going down the right hand side.
Both bens were good as you would expect.
Halliday is terrible, new right back needed ASAP.
:headbang: Rubbish. Completely disagree. Seems as though some on here can’t live without a scapegoat.
He played very well. Final ball not great but he did more than James tonight in offensive play.
Wonder if we can compile a list of scapegoats for every season.
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Bizarrely, I thought rovers did ok tonight, there were few times when it was a bit scrappy or a bit unlucky but I always felt they had another gear to go to whereas Blackpool didn't - however, as it transpired b'pool got the lucky break and made rovers pay.
I appreciate I haven't been for a few seasons (and therefore I've probably just witnessed the worst performance to date) so it was interesting to look at it from my perspective - bar 10 mins rovers were better and unlucky to lose.
That said - clearly a big, powerful unit of a striker would be a great addition.
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I thought Ennis battled well but was bullied a little physically. Im a big fan though,his work rate is fantastic and he will score plenty. However just imagine his impact tonight if he was playing off a big solid number 9. Not fair to ask the the lad to do that job week in week out. RTID
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If Sheaf was any more laid back he would be horizontal, he was very poor tonight and May looked like the Alfie May of last season rather than the new Alfie.
Sheaf is steady away but I've seen nothing to suggest he's brilliant as some have portrayed and he has a lot to learn.
May, Sheaf and Halliday all poor tonight, Ennis battled well and was so unlucky not to score. Whiteman was unusually average and Anderson and John didn't look as solid as we've come to accept.
You are having a laugh aren’t you. Ben Sheaf was man of the match tonight imo.
You were watching a different game to me.
All were guilty of giving the ball away. Our passing and movement wasn’t as good as previous matches but we were never going to go all season without losing were we. What is important is how we react on Saturday.
I do think tactically and selection/subs DM got it wrong for the 1st time in this game.
But it’s easy for us to be critical after a defeat isn’t it. There were two teams playing and Blackpool are a well organised outfit as you would expect under Simon Grayson’s management.
Onwards and upwards.
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So well organised, they’ve just been on a 3 match losing streak.
We were totally found out tonight. Lack of quality in the final third cost us, massively. Ennis hasn’t got a prayer of making an impression when the 3 behind him are clueless.
Trouble is, there was nothing on the bench, either! Lack of options are going to cost us - big style, this season.
Lest we forget, we had bids in for 2 strikers that we couldn’t get across the line. Go figure.
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So well organised, they’ve just been on a 3 match losing streak.
We were totally found out tonight. Lack of quality in the final third cost us, massively. Ennis hasn’t got a prayer of making an impression when the 3 behind him are clueless.
Trouble is, there was nothing on the bench, either! Lack of options are going to cost us - big style, this season.
Lest we forget, we had bids in for 2 strikers that we couldn’t get across the line. Go figure.
Here we go Alan. Soon as we get a defeat your off.
Squad not good enough, no strikers, no quality in final third etc etc.
We had a bad day at the office. It happens.
Strange isn’t it we were world beaters on Saturday at Ipswich. Tonight we are not good enough.
Bit of perspective needed again i think, instead of the usual knee jerk reaction.
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Didn’t think the performance was that bad.
We should have exploited the left more as James and Taylor showed some great link up play in the first half but we seemed to keep going down the right hand side.
Both bens were good as you would expect.
Halliday is terrible, new right back needed ASAP.
:headbang: Rubbish. Completely disagree. Seems as though some on here can’t live without a scapegoat.
He played very well. Final ball not great but he did more than James tonight in offensive play.
Wonder if we can compile a list of scapegoats for every season.
Was Crawford last year, he massively went up in everyone's estimations when we let him leave 😂
& also Andrew, until he started knocking free kicks in.
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I thought we were the best team tonight and very unlucky to lose.
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So well organised, they’ve just been on a 3 match losing streak.
We were totally found out tonight. Lack of quality in the final third cost us, massively. Ennis hasn’t got a prayer of making an impression when the 3 behind him are clueless.
Trouble is, there was nothing on the bench, either! Lack of options are going to cost us - big style, this season.
Lest we forget, we had bids in for 2 strikers that we couldn’t get across the line. Go figure.
Here we go Alan. Soon as we get a defeat your off.
Squad not good enough, no strikers, no quality in final third etc etc.
We had a bad day at the office. It happens.
Strange isn’t it we were world beaters on Saturday at Ipswich. Tonight we are not good enough.
Bit of perspective needed again i think, instead of the usual knee jerk reaction.
to be fair everytime we have won you have come on the board goading people who were doubtful, it’s glaringly obvious we had no one 2 come on upfront and have any impact
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Sadlier has to play either wide left and be given freedom to take his player on or come inside or of you are going to play him in the 10, you don't then tell him to mark the oppositions ball player (Spearing) as he was having to tonight, in the second half those two just cancelled each other out and we lost our most attacking threat.
Agree with others on here, Sadlier was the only player prepared to get on the ball and take the game to Blackpool, at times he was taking up great positions in pockets of space, always moving around but we just don't find him, others should have come off before him tonight.
Too many long hopeful wasted passes out from the back down the right flank tonight for me I am afraid.
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Sadlier has to play either wide left and be given freedom to take his player on or come inside or of you are going to play him in the 10, you don't then tell him to mark the oppositions ball player (Spearing) as he was having to tonight, in the second half those two just cancelled each other out and we lost our most attacking threat.
Agree with others on here, Sadlier was the only player prepared to get on the ball and take the game to Blackpool, at times he was taking up great positions in pockets of space, always moving around but we just don't find him, others should have come off before him tonight.
Too many long hopeful wasted passes out from the back down the right flank tonight for me I am afraid.
Another sadlier love in post
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So well organised, they’ve just been on a 3 match losing streak.
We were totally found out tonight. Lack of quality in the final third cost us, massively. Ennis hasn’t got a prayer of making an impression when the 3 behind him are clueless.
Trouble is, there was nothing on the bench, either! Lack of options are going to cost us - big style, this season.
Lest we forget, we had bids in for 2 strikers that we couldn’t get across the line. Go figure.
The bench had coppinger, May, Gomes on it
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Time to find out what’s on the end of the stick big Vic
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We need a striker and a centre midfielder for back up who has quality. I dread to think if we were to lose Whiteman to injury for a few weeks.
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We need a striker and a centre midfielder for back up who has quality. I dread to think if we were to lose Whiteman to injury for a few weeks.
Whiteman had a stinker IMO, regularly misplaced passes and was only a matter of time until we were punished.
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I thought we played quite well tonight against a tough decent side. They were dirty and tried to fragment the game, there were so many late tackles and the referee let them get away with it. The foul that crocked Blair went totally unpunished, along with many others. Whiteman gets named man of the match, then in the same breath gives the ball away for their goal, when we’re well on top, gutting! but it happens in football, we’re not going to roll over every team we play, it’s a very competitive league!
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The bench had coppinger, May, Gomes on it
And?
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I thought we played very well. Looked assured, just couldn't get that goal.
Poor game management at the end for their goal, but plenty of positives to take going forward.
James was brilliant (again), thought Sheaf and Whiteman played well. Halliday's burst forward would have been on all the highlights reel if it was finished off.
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For me we just don't create much other than from longer range..We've got 2 defensive midfielders in Sheaf and Whiteman playing in the centre and we've got a good player in Ennis upfront..However he's not a number 9 and is very inexperienced..Whilst that gives us a decent defensive platform which would be great playing away from home.At home we need to be a tad more adventurous..I know he is injured but I would like to see Ennis and Sterling playing as a two when he's fit..
The striker debate was always going to stick it's head up as soon as we had a couple of blanks but the stats of shots we have compared to how many we get on target has been a concern in most of our games..Reality is we cant sign anybody from other teams on loan (god forbid) or permanent till January..So hopefully DM is looking at the out of contract players although they would need time to get match fit...
We have the basis of a good team,and we also have a very good manager..He just needs to solve the problem in the box..
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Don’t read too much into the shots on target stats wingco.
Even the Ennis one that was header over the bar by the defender last night doesn’t count as a shot on target.
Alfie May had one on on target that was deflected by a defenders leg for a corner before it reached the keeper, that doesn’t count as one either.
Also, the first shot by Whiteman that was tipped round the post by the keeper doesn’t count as one because the ref didn’t give the corner and it was therefore classed as wide.
Only shots that are saved by the keeper count as being on target.
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That's true hound but then again they don't count for other teams either in the same situations and you cant argue with the facts that our percentage over the course of the season has been low..
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That's true hound but then again they don't count for other teams either in the same situations and you cant argue with the facts that our percentage over the course of the season has been low..
Yes it does count for other teams, of course.
What I am saying though is that the so called on target stats are inaccurate.
If you look at the “on target stats” for most teams, most weeks, they are very low but can’t be relied upon to be a true count.