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Title: These two new players
Post by: ian1980 on January 23, 2021, 08:17:12 pm
After today’s game it’s pretty clear how thread bare the squad currently is.

You really have very little chance to keep winning games when you have six defenders in your starting eleven (inc 4 centre backs making up your back line)

Not only are we having to play players out of position but fatigue will really start to take effect with how quickly the games are coming now.

I’ve no idea how close we are to getting these two players in but the sooner the better to hopefully keep out league form going.

If it’s two midfielders, which is suspect it will be, what do you do with the defence.

For a long time Anderson and Wright were rock solid at the back. Along with Halliday and James we didn’t concede many at all so that’s what I’d go back to.

How about you?
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: andyst79 on January 23, 2021, 08:43:36 pm
No would keep with Butler and leave James in midfield. Since Butler came back we've had a run of good results and he's a great organizer. We're also finding ways to win matches without Copps in the side which is massive for us, he's been a great player over the years and hugely influential and still is but up until this season , when he's not played we've struggled to get results.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: craigdrfc on January 23, 2021, 08:44:19 pm
For me its quite simple. If the squad isn't bolstered, with quantity and a reasonable level of quality, then I suspect we will become a mid table finish in a season where we could have been an automatic promotion.

This is not a criticism of the Owners, the Gaffer, Gavin etc etc. Its just the situation we have found ourselves in with injuries, departures, one or two signings maybe not working out as planned etc.

I hope, and trust, the powers that be will take the necessary steps. If they don't then I would fully understand given the current climate, and would look forward to another tilt at it next season.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 23, 2021, 09:12:23 pm
I’m not a fan for 4 centre backs in defence but it has kind of worked to be fair and there isn’t much in the way of options to change that. Hopefully this will change.

Bigger worry for me is centre forward. In this league playing the 4 centre half’s makes us very hard to beat but if we struggle to nick goals it’s wasted. We can probably maintain playoffs by been difficult to beat and grinding games out like we have if we get a goal scorer
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: drfchound on January 23, 2021, 09:14:49 pm
The strange thing is though that Fej is our top scorer and he has as many goal as the top scorer at Man City (if the numbers given on the bbc are correct)
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 23, 2021, 09:17:40 pm
He’s going to need help though. I’m not suggesting replacing him but with JJ out for the foreseeable it’s just Fej up there. We saw before how his performances dropped without refreshing it up top. After JJ came back and Fej’s form picked up
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: drfchound on January 23, 2021, 09:24:52 pm
I haven’t disagreed with you sedward, I was just making an observation.
I agree that we could do with another forward coming in.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: northern soul on January 23, 2021, 09:27:40 pm
I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Retdon1 on January 23, 2021, 09:33:53 pm
I would go back to our strongest back four... Halliday, Wright, Anderson, James...
Butler and John will still be needed at various times in the run in but when available, play your best players and team
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Big Fey on January 23, 2021, 10:14:52 pm
I’m not a fan for 4 centre backs in defence but it has kind of worked to be fair and there isn’t much in the way of options to change that. Hopefully this will change.
So we had no choice to play the 4 at the back?,   so halliday at full back and Richards starting wasn't an option?   Or James at full back and simoiesh starting wasn't an option?

We could have lined up better than we did today..   We didn't,  and lost heavy.

We move on to Tuesday.. Hopefully lessons have been learnt.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DonnyOsmond on January 23, 2021, 11:03:50 pm
Why drop Butler? Our defence has been better with him in it.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: StocksArmy on January 23, 2021, 11:23:20 pm
Cant drop Butler. Today is his only poor performance since he has come back. We are desperate to replace JJ more than we are Whiteman. Fej cant do the job of a lone striker imo. He seems to get into battles with centre halves that he doesnt need to and never wins. Hes a much better footballer than that. It suits him more moving in from a wide area as you see Aubameyang play.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: essexrover on January 24, 2021, 08:52:05 am
I know it's been mentioned many times before, but John isn't a left back. If we're keeping James in midfield I'd play Amos at left back.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: silent majority on January 24, 2021, 09:02:04 am
I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.

That's what they are.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: EasyforDennis on January 24, 2021, 09:14:38 am
I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.

That's what they are.

Do you know if they might be signed by Tuesday?
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: WhitstabubbleKen on January 24, 2021, 09:25:33 am
John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: selby on January 24, 2021, 09:32:42 am
  A bit of over reaction and over analysing going off at the moment I feel, the two form sides over the last month in our division, ourselves and Portsmouth both lost 4-0.
  We were somewhat expectantly outclassed both tactically and player ability wise. Portsmouth however were heavily defeated by a side playing at the same level.
   Yes we could do with a couple to strengthen an already very good squad of players, but we have not become a poor side at our level over night, we were outclassed by a side of the quality we will not meet again this season, who played close to their maximum ability on the day, absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, Cheltenham are collecting all the kudos this morning, reality is they were blown away in ten minutes and hardly touched the ball in those closing minutes. 
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: silent majority on January 24, 2021, 09:39:31 am
I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.

That's what they are.

Do you know if they might be signed by Tuesday?

The club are hoping to get the deals done tomorrow, but you need to allow for last minute hitches, it happens all the time.

I doubt DM would play either of them straight away.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 24, 2021, 09:42:19 am
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We were somewhat expectantly outclassed both tactically and player ability wise. Portsmouth however were heavily defeated by a side playing at the same level.

Also, I don’t know if anyone noticed yesterday, but Peterborough won 1-0 at Ipswich without having a single shot on target!
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: EasyforDennis on January 24, 2021, 09:56:33 am
I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.

That's what they are.

Do you know if they might be signed by Tuesday?

The club are hoping to get the deals done tomorrow, but you need to allow for last minute hitches, it happens all the time.

I doubt DM would play either of them straight away.

It might sooth the nerves of one or two though  :woohoo: :woohoo:
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: idler on January 24, 2021, 10:14:43 am
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We were somewhat expectantly outclassed both tactically and player ability wise. Portsmouth however were heavily defeated by a side playing at the same level.

Also, I don’t know if anyone noticed yesterday, but Peterborough won 1-0 at Ipswich without having a single shot on target!
I saw that Alan. They all count though and be nice if we could do the same to them.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: BigH on January 24, 2021, 10:28:59 am
John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
I rate DM and think he has many admirable qualities for a football manager but I do think that believing CJ is a left back is a blind spot for him. Ruthlessly exploited yesterday.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: i_ateallthepies on January 24, 2021, 11:27:31 am
John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
I rate DM and think he has many admirable qualities for a football manager but I do think that believing CJ is a left back is a blind spot for him. Ruthlessly exploited yesterday.

Do you really suppose you're giving enlightenment to DM?  Yes CJ was ruthlessly exposed today... by a team of multi-million pound players.  DM has clearly decided that CJ is a good enough footballer at LG1 level to play left back and do it to a good enough standard, and I suggest results show him to be making the correct call.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: donnievic on January 24, 2021, 11:43:54 am
All this about CJ not being a left bank and yes he isn’t great there but James has been superb further up the field and as much a I like Amos he got murdered in the 2nd round against a tricky winger so not sure he would of done any better,notice it has all been quiet about him playing there over last 8 or so games when we been winning including the win at Blackburn.we just got beat by a decent premier league team
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: BigH on January 24, 2021, 12:34:43 pm
John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
I rate DM and think he has many admirable qualities for a football manager but I do think that believing CJ is a left back is a blind spot for him. Ruthlessly exploited yesterday.

Do you really suppose you're giving enlightenment to DM?  Yes CJ was ruthlessly exposed today... by a team of multi-million pound players.  DM has clearly decided that CJ is a good enough footballer at LG1 level to play left back and do it to a good enough standard, and I suggest results show him to be making the correct call.
Er, no. HTF could I give enlightenment to a professional football manager? But thank you for your enlightenment!

Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: bedale rover on January 24, 2021, 01:37:36 pm
I know it's been mentioned many times before, but John isn't a left back. If we're keeping James in midfield I'd play Amos at left back.

Amos is too slow
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Draytonian III on January 24, 2021, 01:46:19 pm
Amos would be better playing wide left midfield
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 24, 2021, 02:13:27 pm
Amos is better on the bench as a squad player. Along with two or three more that are playing regular.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Filo on January 25, 2021, 11:32:09 am
Deadline to play tomorrow half hour away
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: anton123 on January 25, 2021, 11:56:51 am
4 mins to go , some 1 take the lid off the pen lol
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: northern soul on January 25, 2021, 11:58:45 am
Might be signed and registered, just not announced....
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 25, 2021, 11:58:53 am
Just because the deadline is 12 doesn't mean we'll get to hear before 12.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: nortikorner on January 25, 2021, 12:01:25 pm
Could be Frank Lampard he is free
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: anton123 on January 25, 2021, 12:02:07 pm
Would of expected the free agent to so signed but maybe the other lad in a few days
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 25, 2021, 02:28:13 pm
Always tend to think we leave the announcements as late as poss anyway, to avoid giving our opponents a heads up and trying to fathom us out.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2021, 02:32:06 pm
John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.

John has been excellent at left back over the past several months in L1.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: GazLaz on January 25, 2021, 02:49:02 pm
Always tend to think we leave the announcements as late as poss anyway, to avoid giving our opponents a heads up and trying to fathom us out.

This.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Filo on January 25, 2021, 02:50:02 pm
Getting them over the line is sometimes difficult
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DearneValleyRover on January 25, 2021, 02:52:43 pm
I haven’t seen any updates on the missing pen
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Monkcaster_Rover on January 25, 2021, 03:01:24 pm
Coventry paper reporting that Robins has no interest in letting Bagayoko go
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Metalmicky on January 25, 2021, 03:22:06 pm
Coventry paper reporting that Robins has no interest in letting Bagayoko go

Could it be that folk on here were wrong in linking us.??....... surely not  :ohmy:
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: jm291 on January 25, 2021, 03:27:13 pm
Coventry paper reporting that Robins has no interest in letting Bagayoko go
Am I the only one that's quite glad to read that?? Didn't have the best of goal scoring records!
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: StocksArmy on January 25, 2021, 03:30:19 pm
SM said last week that we may have to be patient due to the fact that there are often last minute stumbling blocks. Without sounding over confident I feel that we should have enough to go and win the game tomorrow night. If we can get them over the line and a few days training into them before Saturday it would be a massive boost for us. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 25, 2021, 04:25:34 pm
Yes, Deffo not a problem with what we've got for tomorrow.

Yes, it's us the fans that have to be patient as folk always assume no news is bad news when in reality the club are most likely totally in control of the situation.

It certainly exacerbates the situation when you have folk who make a living out of speculating and there's no consequences for them being wrong. That's aimed at the likes of Nixon not so much the DFP.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: godlike1 on January 25, 2021, 06:16:04 pm
SM said last week that we may have to be patient due to the fact that there are often last minute stumbling blocks. Without sounding over confident I feel that we should have enough to go and win the game tomorrow night. If we can get them over the line and a few days training into them before Saturday it would be a massive boost for us. Fingers crossed.

Without wanting to be disrespectful to Wimbledon I do agree although not too many players to come back. hopefully Richards and Simeones not playing a full game would have given them some rest time and another chance for Greaves to make another claim for the midfield place. I just hope DM has them well drilled to respect Wimbledon given how they nearly beat us at their place

Would be good to have some new faces and options in time for Lincoln though as we defo need them
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 25, 2021, 06:29:27 pm
I think we’re taking a lot for granted, if you start taking other sides lightly. We need bodies in, it’s as simple as that and 3 points tomorrow would be a massive lift for the lads, going into Saturday.

We had a hard game on Saturday and I’m not sure we can keep relying on the same lads over and over, as we’ll just get more injuries and performances will drop off.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 25, 2021, 07:09:46 pm
I think we’re taking a lot for granted, if you start taking other sides lightly. We need bodies in, it’s as simple as that and 3 points tomorrow would be a massive lift for the lads, going into Saturday.

We had a hard game on Saturday and I’m not sure we can keep relying on the same lads over and over, as we’ll just get more injuries and performances will drop off.

One down. Two? to go.

Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 25, 2021, 07:27:13 pm
I think we’re taking a lot for granted, if you start taking other sides lightly. We need bodies in, it’s as simple as that and 3 points tomorrow would be a massive lift for the lads, going into Saturday.

We had a hard game on Saturday and I’m not sure we can keep relying on the same lads over and over, as we’ll just get more injuries and performances will drop off.

One down. Two? to go.


I hope we can get a striker out of the two we are talking to  but it could be long and drawn out
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 25, 2021, 07:32:53 pm
Well, certainly, that’s a very good, positive start, however I would have liked him to have been available/ fit to play tomorrow night. It’s not o be, so we have to manage the best we can, in the meantime.

As for the other 2? I can see getting a striker being the most difficult as nobody wants to give strikers away for nowt! The other one being Simms of course and we all know what he can give us! Fingers continue to be crossed!
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 25, 2021, 07:40:22 pm
If we can get Sims and a striker who can play one-up properly (forget about his goal scoring record) then we are very well set given JJ aside, everyone is due back at the end of this month and we have passed the first suspension deadline.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: jmt23 on January 25, 2021, 07:48:28 pm
Where is Gomes, he's been out an awful long time? he gave so much energy to the midfield, and goals.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 25, 2021, 07:55:33 pm
Not quite ready yet but back in training.

Copps will need more time.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on January 25, 2021, 09:36:52 pm
Coventry paper reporting that Robins has no interest in letting Bagayoko go

Not according to the Football League World:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/doncaster-leading-swindon-in-race-for-coventry-city-player/

Who knows?

Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: BiargeBob on January 25, 2021, 10:10:45 pm
Hi Wilts, how reliable is that report, as they still have Richie as Swindon manager. :cool: :lol:
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 25, 2021, 10:29:17 pm
I never trust clickbait.

Classic from DM though in the RS interview. “Can you confirm that Bakayoko is one you're trying to bring in? " Well I can't discuss players who are contracted to other clubs but yes, he's one of them on the list...."
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 25, 2021, 10:29:45 pm
The report is dated 24.01.21.

We’ll just have to wait a bit longer, but it would be nice to have everyone in by the Lincoln game.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on January 25, 2021, 11:04:01 pm
Hi Wilts, how reliable is that report, as they still have Richie as Swindon manager. :cool: :lol:

Hi BB,

Yeah, saw that c**k up too! If that’s their level of reporting then Bagayoko ain’t going anywhere!
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: RoversAlias on January 25, 2021, 11:19:33 pm
Always believe the word of a club's manager over a random website recycling second-hand information.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Wiltshire Exile on January 26, 2021, 11:18:10 am
Always believe the word of a club's manager over a random website recycling second-hand information.

Very true, RA!
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: RugbyRover on January 26, 2021, 12:06:48 pm
Always believe the word of a club's manager over a random website recycling second-hand information.

Very true, RA!

except when that manager is DM and he's decided to tell lots of porkies. Then believe no one.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 26, 2021, 12:09:40 pm
How can you believe it’s what the manager said, when it was a newspaper reporting it. Same thing, isn’t it?

Not everyone believes everything Hoden reports!
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: RoversAlias on January 26, 2021, 02:00:17 pm
How can you believe it’s what the manager said, when it was a newspaper reporting it. Same thing, isn’t it?

Not everyone believes everything Hoden reports!

When it's direct quotes, they should believe it. Liam Hoden doesn't just make up press interviews to post online, all of the interviews with Darren, Gavin and the players are recorded and conducted with several outlets, including the BBC.

In this case, if Mark Robins said he doesn't want to sell Bakayoko then I'd believe that over "Football League World" who are just hedging their bets to try and seem clever. They haven't got a clue, but the local paper that talk to Coventry City every week will do.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 26, 2021, 03:57:41 pm
I'm sure the click-bait rumour mongers are scouring local press, fans forums, regular 'insiders' amongst the scouts and agents to stir the pot and generate interest.

As said before, it doesn't matter to them whether they get it right or wrong, there are no consequences. For local press like Liam, he can't risk the relationship he has with the club so has to be more careful what he prints.
Title: Re: These two new players
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 27, 2021, 06:44:33 am
DFP reporting that our quest to get a striker has hit a snag although targets remain active.

I wonder if that snag was Mark Robins saying Nope!