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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: ian1980 on January 23, 2021, 08:17:12 pm
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After today’s game it’s pretty clear how thread bare the squad currently is.
You really have very little chance to keep winning games when you have six defenders in your starting eleven (inc 4 centre backs making up your back line)
Not only are we having to play players out of position but fatigue will really start to take effect with how quickly the games are coming now.
I’ve no idea how close we are to getting these two players in but the sooner the better to hopefully keep out league form going.
If it’s two midfielders, which is suspect it will be, what do you do with the defence.
For a long time Anderson and Wright were rock solid at the back. Along with Halliday and James we didn’t concede many at all so that’s what I’d go back to.
How about you?
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No would keep with Butler and leave James in midfield. Since Butler came back we've had a run of good results and he's a great organizer. We're also finding ways to win matches without Copps in the side which is massive for us, he's been a great player over the years and hugely influential and still is but up until this season , when he's not played we've struggled to get results.
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For me its quite simple. If the squad isn't bolstered, with quantity and a reasonable level of quality, then I suspect we will become a mid table finish in a season where we could have been an automatic promotion.
This is not a criticism of the Owners, the Gaffer, Gavin etc etc. Its just the situation we have found ourselves in with injuries, departures, one or two signings maybe not working out as planned etc.
I hope, and trust, the powers that be will take the necessary steps. If they don't then I would fully understand given the current climate, and would look forward to another tilt at it next season.
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I’m not a fan for 4 centre backs in defence but it has kind of worked to be fair and there isn’t much in the way of options to change that. Hopefully this will change.
Bigger worry for me is centre forward. In this league playing the 4 centre half’s makes us very hard to beat but if we struggle to nick goals it’s wasted. We can probably maintain playoffs by been difficult to beat and grinding games out like we have if we get a goal scorer
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The strange thing is though that Fej is our top scorer and he has as many goal as the top scorer at Man City (if the numbers given on the bbc are correct)
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He’s going to need help though. I’m not suggesting replacing him but with JJ out for the foreseeable it’s just Fej up there. We saw before how his performances dropped without refreshing it up top. After JJ came back and Fej’s form picked up
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I haven’t disagreed with you sedward, I was just making an observation.
I agree that we could do with another forward coming in.
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I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.
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I would go back to our strongest back four... Halliday, Wright, Anderson, James...
Butler and John will still be needed at various times in the run in but when available, play your best players and team
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I’m not a fan for 4 centre backs in defence but it has kind of worked to be fair and there isn’t much in the way of options to change that. Hopefully this will change.
So we had no choice to play the 4 at the back?, so halliday at full back and Richards starting wasn't an option? Or James at full back and simoiesh starting wasn't an option?
We could have lined up better than we did today.. We didn't, and lost heavy.
We move on to Tuesday.. Hopefully lessons have been learnt.
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Why drop Butler? Our defence has been better with him in it.
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Cant drop Butler. Today is his only poor performance since he has come back. We are desperate to replace JJ more than we are Whiteman. Fej cant do the job of a lone striker imo. He seems to get into battles with centre halves that he doesnt need to and never wins. Hes a much better footballer than that. It suits him more moving in from a wide area as you see Aubameyang play.
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I know it's been mentioned many times before, but John isn't a left back. If we're keeping James in midfield I'd play Amos at left back.
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I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.
That's what they are.
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I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.
That's what they are.
Do you know if they might be signed by Tuesday?
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John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
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A bit of over reaction and over analysing going off at the moment I feel, the two form sides over the last month in our division, ourselves and Portsmouth both lost 4-0.
We were somewhat expectantly outclassed both tactically and player ability wise. Portsmouth however were heavily defeated by a side playing at the same level.
Yes we could do with a couple to strengthen an already very good squad of players, but we have not become a poor side at our level over night, we were outclassed by a side of the quality we will not meet again this season, who played close to their maximum ability on the day, absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, Cheltenham are collecting all the kudos this morning, reality is they were blown away in ten minutes and hardly touched the ball in those closing minutes.
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I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.
That's what they are.
Do you know if they might be signed by Tuesday?
The club are hoping to get the deals done tomorrow, but you need to allow for last minute hitches, it happens all the time.
I doubt DM would play either of them straight away.
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We were somewhat expectantly outclassed both tactically and player ability wise. Portsmouth however were heavily defeated by a side playing at the same level.
Also, I don’t know if anyone noticed yesterday, but Peterborough won 1-0 at Ipswich without having a single shot on target!
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I would hope the 2 coming would be a forward and a midfielder. They're the pressing needs at the minute.
That's what they are.
Do you know if they might be signed by Tuesday?
The club are hoping to get the deals done tomorrow, but you need to allow for last minute hitches, it happens all the time.
I doubt DM would play either of them straight away.
It might sooth the nerves of one or two though :woohoo: :woohoo:
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We were somewhat expectantly outclassed both tactically and player ability wise. Portsmouth however were heavily defeated by a side playing at the same level.
Also, I don’t know if anyone noticed yesterday, but Peterborough won 1-0 at Ipswich without having a single shot on target!
I saw that Alan. They all count though and be nice if we could do the same to them.
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John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
I rate DM and think he has many admirable qualities for a football manager but I do think that believing CJ is a left back is a blind spot for him. Ruthlessly exploited yesterday.
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John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
I rate DM and think he has many admirable qualities for a football manager but I do think that believing CJ is a left back is a blind spot for him. Ruthlessly exploited yesterday.
Do you really suppose you're giving enlightenment to DM? Yes CJ was ruthlessly exposed today... by a team of multi-million pound players. DM has clearly decided that CJ is a good enough footballer at LG1 level to play left back and do it to a good enough standard, and I suggest results show him to be making the correct call.
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All this about CJ not being a left bank and yes he isn’t great there but James has been superb further up the field and as much a I like Amos he got murdered in the 2nd round against a tricky winger so not sure he would of done any better,notice it has all been quiet about him playing there over last 8 or so games when we been winning including the win at Blackburn.we just got beat by a decent premier league team
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John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
I rate DM and think he has many admirable qualities for a football manager but I do think that believing CJ is a left back is a blind spot for him. Ruthlessly exploited yesterday.
Do you really suppose you're giving enlightenment to DM? Yes CJ was ruthlessly exposed today... by a team of multi-million pound players. DM has clearly decided that CJ is a good enough footballer at LG1 level to play left back and do it to a good enough standard, and I suggest results show him to be making the correct call.
Er, no. HTF could I give enlightenment to a professional football manager? But thank you for your enlightenment!
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I know it's been mentioned many times before, but John isn't a left back. If we're keeping James in midfield I'd play Amos at left back.
Amos is too slow
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Amos would be better playing wide left midfield
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Amos is better on the bench as a squad player. Along with two or three more that are playing regular.
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Deadline to play tomorrow half hour away
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4 mins to go , some 1 take the lid off the pen lol
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Might be signed and registered, just not announced....
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Just because the deadline is 12 doesn't mean we'll get to hear before 12.
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Could be Frank Lampard he is free
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Would of expected the free agent to so signed but maybe the other lad in a few days
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Always tend to think we leave the announcements as late as poss anyway, to avoid giving our opponents a heads up and trying to fathom us out.
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John was out of position for two of the goals yesterday. He’s still not a left back.
John has been excellent at left back over the past several months in L1.
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Always tend to think we leave the announcements as late as poss anyway, to avoid giving our opponents a heads up and trying to fathom us out.
This.
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Getting them over the line is sometimes difficult
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I haven’t seen any updates on the missing pen
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Coventry paper reporting that Robins has no interest in letting Bagayoko go
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Coventry paper reporting that Robins has no interest in letting Bagayoko go
Could it be that folk on here were wrong in linking us.??....... surely not :ohmy:
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Coventry paper reporting that Robins has no interest in letting Bagayoko go
Am I the only one that's quite glad to read that?? Didn't have the best of goal scoring records!
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SM said last week that we may have to be patient due to the fact that there are often last minute stumbling blocks. Without sounding over confident I feel that we should have enough to go and win the game tomorrow night. If we can get them over the line and a few days training into them before Saturday it would be a massive boost for us. Fingers crossed.
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Yes, Deffo not a problem with what we've got for tomorrow.
Yes, it's us the fans that have to be patient as folk always assume no news is bad news when in reality the club are most likely totally in control of the situation.
It certainly exacerbates the situation when you have folk who make a living out of speculating and there's no consequences for them being wrong. That's aimed at the likes of Nixon not so much the DFP.
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SM said last week that we may have to be patient due to the fact that there are often last minute stumbling blocks. Without sounding over confident I feel that we should have enough to go and win the game tomorrow night. If we can get them over the line and a few days training into them before Saturday it would be a massive boost for us. Fingers crossed.
Without wanting to be disrespectful to Wimbledon I do agree although not too many players to come back. hopefully Richards and Simeones not playing a full game would have given them some rest time and another chance for Greaves to make another claim for the midfield place. I just hope DM has them well drilled to respect Wimbledon given how they nearly beat us at their place
Would be good to have some new faces and options in time for Lincoln though as we defo need them
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I think we’re taking a lot for granted, if you start taking other sides lightly. We need bodies in, it’s as simple as that and 3 points tomorrow would be a massive lift for the lads, going into Saturday.
We had a hard game on Saturday and I’m not sure we can keep relying on the same lads over and over, as we’ll just get more injuries and performances will drop off.
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I think we’re taking a lot for granted, if you start taking other sides lightly. We need bodies in, it’s as simple as that and 3 points tomorrow would be a massive lift for the lads, going into Saturday.
We had a hard game on Saturday and I’m not sure we can keep relying on the same lads over and over, as we’ll just get more injuries and performances will drop off.
One down. Two? to go.
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I think we’re taking a lot for granted, if you start taking other sides lightly. We need bodies in, it’s as simple as that and 3 points tomorrow would be a massive lift for the lads, going into Saturday.
We had a hard game on Saturday and I’m not sure we can keep relying on the same lads over and over, as we’ll just get more injuries and performances will drop off.
One down. Two? to go.
I hope we can get a striker out of the two we are talking to but it could be long and drawn out
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Well, certainly, that’s a very good, positive start, however I would have liked him to have been available/ fit to play tomorrow night. It’s not o be, so we have to manage the best we can, in the meantime.
As for the other 2? I can see getting a striker being the most difficult as nobody wants to give strikers away for nowt! The other one being Simms of course and we all know what he can give us! Fingers continue to be crossed!
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If we can get Sims and a striker who can play one-up properly (forget about his goal scoring record) then we are very well set given JJ aside, everyone is due back at the end of this month and we have passed the first suspension deadline.
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Where is Gomes, he's been out an awful long time? he gave so much energy to the midfield, and goals.
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Not quite ready yet but back in training.
Copps will need more time.
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Coventry paper reporting that Robins has no interest in letting Bagayoko go
Not according to the Football League World:
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/doncaster-leading-swindon-in-race-for-coventry-city-player/
Who knows?
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Hi Wilts, how reliable is that report, as they still have Richie as Swindon manager. :cool: :lol:
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I never trust clickbait.
Classic from DM though in the RS interview. “Can you confirm that Bakayoko is one you're trying to bring in? " Well I can't discuss players who are contracted to other clubs but yes, he's one of them on the list...."
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The report is dated 24.01.21.
We’ll just have to wait a bit longer, but it would be nice to have everyone in by the Lincoln game.
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Hi Wilts, how reliable is that report, as they still have Richie as Swindon manager. :cool: :lol:
Hi BB,
Yeah, saw that c**k up too! If that’s their level of reporting then Bagayoko ain’t going anywhere!
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Always believe the word of a club's manager over a random website recycling second-hand information.
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Always believe the word of a club's manager over a random website recycling second-hand information.
Very true, RA!
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Always believe the word of a club's manager over a random website recycling second-hand information.
Very true, RA!
except when that manager is DM and he's decided to tell lots of porkies. Then believe no one.
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How can you believe it’s what the manager said, when it was a newspaper reporting it. Same thing, isn’t it?
Not everyone believes everything Hoden reports!
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How can you believe it’s what the manager said, when it was a newspaper reporting it. Same thing, isn’t it?
Not everyone believes everything Hoden reports!
When it's direct quotes, they should believe it. Liam Hoden doesn't just make up press interviews to post online, all of the interviews with Darren, Gavin and the players are recorded and conducted with several outlets, including the BBC.
In this case, if Mark Robins said he doesn't want to sell Bakayoko then I'd believe that over "Football League World" who are just hedging their bets to try and seem clever. They haven't got a clue, but the local paper that talk to Coventry City every week will do.
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I'm sure the click-bait rumour mongers are scouring local press, fans forums, regular 'insiders' amongst the scouts and agents to stir the pot and generate interest.
As said before, it doesn't matter to them whether they get it right or wrong, there are no consequences. For local press like Liam, he can't risk the relationship he has with the club so has to be more careful what he prints.
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DFP reporting that our quest to get a striker has hit a snag although targets remain active.
I wonder if that snag was Mark Robins saying Nope!