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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: silent majority on June 08, 2017, 02:01:35 pm
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After coming from behind to beat Italy 3-1.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40202212
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Hopefully they will be given time to mature and not be saddled with the label of Next Golden Generation.
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I didn't even know this was going on...is the final on telly at all?
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british euro sport 2 hd
11 am
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I didn't even know this was going on...is the final on telly at all?
It's on Eurosport Glyn
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british euro sport 2 hd
11 am
Beat me to it
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Hopefully they will be given time to mature and not be saddled with the label of Next Golden Generation.
Media already at it I'm afraid
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Lookman looks like a great player in the making,as long as he carries on taking players on and does not have it coached out of him.
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british euro sport 2 hd
11 am
I won't be able to see it then, I've only got terrestrial.
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Sadly most of those players will not get a look in at their clubs because they buy in players from abroad
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BBC says that there have only been 72 PL appearances between the players in the team.
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Sadly most of those players will not get a look in at their clubs because they buy in players from abroad
Not necessarily true - there's a few Everton players in there that already have and a couple of fringe players from other PL clubs have also featured. Notable that (I think) there is only one Man U player and no City player in the squad. It is vital they see first team football thats for sure, but some of them may have to be bold enough to go abroad rather than sit on a bench for tens of thousands of pounds a week but only a few minutes playing time.
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BBC says that there have only been 72 PL appearances between the players in the team.
That's not bad to say it's the under 20's, at that age you won't find many who's a regular in one of the big leagues in Europe.
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looking at that it seems the way forward has to be double-barrelled surnames!
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I saw the match against Italy, and England deserved to win. I hope England will win the final against Venezuela and become world champions :)
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looking at that it seems the way forward has to be double-barrelled surnames!
Are you ATS's agent? ;)
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looking at that it seems the way forward has to be double-barrelled surnames!
having a double barrelled name really puts a lot of weight on the kids shoulders (must be a couple of grams with the extra lettering) but generates extra cash for their clubs in shirt sales
do we we really want to know the kids sire and dam
if their parents actually got married or not got divorced then their would be no need for this ego crapp
in simple terms they are telling the world they might be B******s
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Watched the match last night and we were impressive. Just what does happen with these excellent lads as they near the senior side, or, indeed, the U21's?
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U21's won the Toulon tournament last year not an easy thing to do
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It's a shame all premiership managers aren't like Pochettino and give young English players a chance.
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It is yes, and it's not done Spurs too much harm
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Final is on BBC2 at 10.50 on Sunday morning.
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Final is on BBC2 at 10.50 on Sunday morning.
Excellent!
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U21's won the Toulon tournament last year not an easy thing to do
And they've won it again today on pens!!
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They need to keep the players in these teams together as they progress through the age groups regardless of which clubs they play for.
The problem with England is you get too much swapping around and players who have never played together so there is no cohesion or understanding
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The future might look rosy after what the young lads have achieved at under 19 and 20 level and i expect the under 21s to shine at their euros,then we come down to earth as as been pointed out by Filo how many will be getting plenty of game time in the prem.Best most can hope for is Championship level which is a pity and untill the heads of FA realise this nothing will change
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The future might look rosy after what the young lads have achieved at under 19 and 20 level and i expect the under 21s to shine at their euros,then we come down to earth as as been pointed out by Filo how many will be getting plenty of game time in the prem.Best most can hope for is Championship level which is a pity and untill the heads of FA realise this nothing will change
we're hamstrung with regard to EU nationals because of Bosman, but there should be a quota system for other nationalities - max number per squad and per team sheet for each match; take the power away from the agents - sick and tired of watching second rate foreign players littering the game while England-eligible sorts languish in reserve teams or ar farmed out on loan; we do more to further the international ambitions of Burkina Faso, Equatorial Guinea and the USA than our own national team...
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Great use of technology there, didn't add any delays, correct decision given.
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What would have been the decision if not a pen? Had the ball gone dead? Not seen it myself on hols
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Well done England World Cup winners
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Well done lads. Nail biting stuff second half and last 20 minutes seemed like 3 hours.
England have actually won a World Cup!
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Well done lads. Nail biting stuff second half and last 20 minutes seemed like 3 hours.
England have actually won a World Cup!
Again
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WELL DONE ENGLAND WORLD CHAMPIONS SOUNDS GOOD
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How many of those players who played this will make the full international team ? More to the point how many of those players will be playing in the Premier League in the next 5 years, not many on either count in my point of view
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I think these lads have got a good a chance as any to progress to U21 and senior team. There is a different philosophy now as Southgate, being ex U21 manager, will feed in some of these players over the next few years.
Their club career maybe a different matter. No reason to believe they won't get their chance at Premiership clubs but maintaining regular first team football isn't easy. Some may need to drop to Championship clubs if their way is blocked by foreign players.
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I agree on both parts Draytonian but for now lets enjoy the moment
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Could some of these players be the ones DF wants, as they got further in the competition than others expected hence the reason we have had to wait longer
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Could some of these players be the ones DF wants, as they got further in the competition than others expected hence the reason we have had to wait longer
None of these players are going to be dropping to League One I wouldn't think, especially not after this success.
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Was thinking about this last night and wondered if this crop of young lads came up under the guidance of our once manager, SOD?
They certainly played with quite a bit of flair through the midfield and seemed to like playing it out from the back - rings a few bells.
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Our players don't tend to train on. Had loads of players over the years that look world beaters at 18 19 20 then are no better at 28.
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A lot depends on the players thereselfs are they prepared to sit in the back ground and pick up a nice wage packet or do they want to play football at a lower level.Many a player have dropped down a league or two and shone thro and got back to the big league,playing no matter what division is better than watching but again financial benifits come into it.
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Brilliant result and great performance in winning this
Watched second half and we seemed to suffer from not being able to keep the ball - this trait is evident throughout our national team structure
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Brilliant result and great performance in winning this
Watched second half and we seemed to suffer from not being able to keep the ball - this trait is evident throughout our national team structure
The England team had 60% possession in the first half.
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SM as stated only watched second half
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Roversdude, a bloke who i work with backs you up on this.
I also didn't see the game but my colleague tells me that the standard of football wasn't particularly great, especially from our boys in the second half.
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It was a good game regardless.
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Have to say I was surprised to see Venezuela in the semis but I wathced most of their game against Uruguay and the final on Sunday and they have some cracking technical players.
The final itself was pretty hectic, certainly compared to the pedestrian England game the night before, but there were some glimpses of quality sure enough. The last 15 minutes showed that experience does become essential in certain situations, a couple of England players started to panic and hack at clearances and a couple took long shots that only conceded possesion. In a senior game I doubt you'd have seen that but overall we have some good players in that group.
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I enjoyed what I saw of the game and loved the result
Just thought that the art of closing out a game is something we lack as a nation. How many senior England games have we been in front and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
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I myself thought the Venezuela team were quite impressive at times after a poor 1st half they came out fighting,but it was muck or nettles for them then.They certainly had some gifted talent and what was interesting not just the Venezuela players but a good few of the south american continuent are already playing in Europe.I think its says alot when Chelsea sell the man of the tournement to not a lower league team but to Liverpool i think it shows which way they are going.
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Same trait again last night with senior team
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Another inept performance,no signs of a system that Southgate wants to play.Too many players playing out of their position.Midfield none existant French walked through it with space to spare.Henderson badly missed and lets hope Wiltshire can come back to form and stay injury free.My on oppinion says Southgate is not the man to be top man but till after the world cup finals we are lumbered with him.
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Agree with that except Wilshire is not the answer.
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If Lewis Cook does well for Bournemouth this year he could possibly make the senior squad for the World Cup next year because he is a talent.
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Centre midfield was, just about, non existent. Dire looks to be going backwards and O/C looked as though he hadn't a clue.
There were better players in the u20 team than what we had on show last night - why not go for youth?
Southgate has no idea and hadn't a clue how to change things once they went to 10. However, he wasn't helped by players who seem unable to pass it 5 yards!
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Centre midfield was, just about, non existent. Dire looks to be going backwards and O/C looked as though he hadn't a clue.
There were better players in the u20 team than what we had on show last night - why not go for youth?
Southgate has no idea and hadn't a clue how to change things once they went to 10. However, he wasn't helped by players who seem unable to pass it 5 yards!
I think we have talent in some areas but central defence and central midfield is a big concern. I don't think it can be solved by throwing youth in - Cook might have looked great against Venezuela under 20s but put him up against Pogba and Kante and it would be a different story. Hopefully some of them can progress this season though - starting a world cup with 2 of Dier, Henderson, Livermore and O-C as your central midfielders doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
EDIT - a player who I really like the look of (and I'm surprised he didn't go to the World Cup) is Tom Davies at Everton. If he builds on last season it wouldn't surprise me to see him in the squad for Russia.
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I agree Nick with Davies reminds me of a Lampard and Gerrard type player certainly one to keep the eye on.A big year for a lot of players so they must hit the ground running and i said previousl certain players must look at themselves and consider if a move to another club will give them the game time.Walcott,Sturridge,Stirling,Wiltshire and even Stones and Rashford ,Lingard can come into that area
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The concern for me, whoever seems to play, is they don't seem willing or able to sustain a high work rate through a match.
Not just Dier, although he was the worst culprit, seem to avoid finding space to make themselves available for a pass. All of the French players were mobile and busting a gut to get in position by making intelligent movements/runs. All are capable of taking passes in their stride.
We seem to be only capable of bursts of energy for short periods. We can't keep persevering with Stirling who hasn't got the composure or intelligence to make the final pass/shot.
We have a different mentality where we only seem to bust a gut in the last 10 mins of a game when we go more direct.
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Last night showed Why Stones is not getting picked regurlaly for Man City he is a poor defender yes he s good on the ball.
Dier is a better defender than central midfield player, that's why Wanyama and Dembele play there for Spurs.
Chamberlain had very poor game and should not play central again.
So the biggest dilemma for any England manager who are the best English players for central midfield, with a match of defensive qualities and can set up attacking situations. In the premier league there are very few English central midfield players with quality.
Also apart from one thing Sterling showed he's not good enough he runs down blind allies.
These views are based against quality opponents not the ones we are qualifying against.
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Dier is not good enough.
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Dier is not good enough.
He is good enough he shows that for spurs, but when it comes to England he is sat in there with nobody good enough. At Spurs he has Dembele and Wanyama with him, he can't control a midfield by himself.
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Oxlaide Chamberlain was our worst player on the night.
He constantly gave the ball away in dangerous positions.
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Oxlaide Chamberlain was our worst player on the night.
He constantly gave the ball away in dangerous positions.
Both Chamberlien and Dier looked poor against a quality central midfield.
Whether we play a back 3 or 4 we need two players who can work together both defensively and be creative. We have not got that.
The biggest decision Gareth has to make before the World Cup if we qualify is those two positions, with backup as well.
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I don't understand why AOC is playing anywhere but either as a winger or wing back...
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I don't understand why AOC is playing anywhere but either as a winger or wing back...
To be fair, he's said he sees his long term position as a central midfield, and he has had some good games there for Arsenal - I went to their Champions League game against AC Milan a few years ago when they were 4-0 down from the first leg, and he absolutely bossed it from central midfield. One of the best individual midfield performances I've ever seen live.
That said if he doesn't play there regularly for Arsenal and learn his position there's not really any reason why he should be trusted to play there for England.
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I don't understand why AOC is playing anywhere but either as a winger or wing back...
To be fair, he's said he sees his long term position as a central midfield, and he has had some good games there for Arsenal - I went to their Champions League game against AC Milan a few years ago when they were 4-0 down from the first leg, and he absolutely bossed it from central midfield. One of the best individual midfield performances I've ever seen live.
That said if he doesn't play there regularly for Arsenal and learn his position there's not really any reason why he should be trusted to play there for England.
Schweinsteiger was also a decent right midfielder and after Van Gaal played him central midfielder he became world class. Maybe Oxlaide Chamberlain will have the same chance.