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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: SydneyRover on March 23, 2024, 03:35:37 am
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Is the Garrick Club a venue for those that are too old or didn't make it into the Bullingdon Club?
''Boris Johnson, a former prime minister, defended the Garrick, of which he was once a member, and criticised the pressure that caused the resignations of the MI6 chief Richard Moore, cabinet secretary Simon Case and OBR head Robert Chote from the club''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/22/equality-groups-urge-cultural-elite-to-give-up-garrick-club-membership
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club
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How does the existence of the Garrick club and Richard Moore’s membership of it affect the life of an average Guardian reader?
What systemic advantages do men have in the arts? And how does the Garrick Club perpetuate them?
I don’t have a problem with it (unless you can convince and enlighten me) just like I don’t have a problem with the WI. But said equality groups seem to think just men-only groups are bad.
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
Can you explain the need to let women in Syd
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
Can you explain the need to let women in Syd
Can you explain the need to keep them out Glos? I guess you can't otherwise you may have said.
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Why would women be let in, they don't look like small boys.
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Why would women be let in, they don't look like small boys.
straight to the point as usual Nudga
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Why would women be let in, they don't look like small boys.
straight to the point as usual Nudga
It's probably the worst kept secret since it became known The Krays were facilitating stuff like this for the rich and powerful, politicians, judges, aristocrats etc at establishments like this.
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FYI women can go to the club as a guest but they cannot become members. I haven't yet found evidence of any woman wanting to become a member.
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Is the Garrick Club a venue for those that are too old or didn't make it into the Bullingdon Club?
''Boris Johnson, a former prime minister, defended the Garrick, of which he was once a member, and criticised the pressure that caused the resignations of the MI6 chief Richard Moore, cabinet secretary Simon Case and OBR head Robert Chote from the club''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/22/equality-groups-urge-cultural-elite-to-give-up-garrick-club-membership
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club
Jeez, why do people get so wound up by something like this.
Syd, do you have any views on this:
Friday 25 May 2018
The first female-only private members club in the UK has been opened in London by entrepreneur Debbie Wosskow (OG92) to provide working women with an oasis where they can ‘create’, ‘collaborate’ and ‘thrive’ – and ultimately – boost their careers
The AllBright, which opened its doors in Bloomsbury on International Women’s Day in March, is already attracting female entrepreneurs, executives, creatives, and consultants from a wide range of industries.
The idea behind the club is to offer professional women space where they can work, hold meetings and socialise while also enjoying the benefits of a programme of events, talks, exhibitions, debates and networking.
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.
You didn’t answer my questions.
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.
You didn’t answer my questions.
The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.
You didn’t answer my questions.
The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.
Does that line of thought reconcile when it comes to electing Labour leaders ?
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.
You didn’t answer my questions.
The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.
Does that line of thought reconcile when it comes to electing Labour leaders ?
You tell me tyke it's your story, but you can see on here that there are plenty wanting to undermine the deputy leader, life shouldn't be deliberately made harder for any section of society, women haven't had the vote for 100 years yet. And why I here you ask, because men didn't want them to have it. If more people voted labour, supported labour and got them into government more often there would be more opportunities for women to be leader, aye tyke?
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I think you were going to tell me why women shouldn't be allowed in nc?
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
Can you explain the need to let women in Syd
Can you explain the need to keep them out Glos? I guess you can't otherwise you may have said.
Can you explain the need to let them in Syd? I guess you can’t or otherwise you may have said
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.
You didn’t answer my questions.
The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.
Right here Glos
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.
You didn’t answer my questions.
The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.
Does that line of thought reconcile when it comes to electing Labour leaders ?
You tell me tyke it's your story, but you can see on here that there are plenty wanting to undermine the deputy leader, life shouldn't be deliberately made harder for any section of society, women haven't had the vote for 100 years yet. And why I here you ask, because men didn't want them to have it. If more people voted labour, supported labour and got them into government more often there would be more opportunities for women to be leader, aye tyke?
Syd, how many female Party leaders have Labour had?
How many have the Tory’s had?
I’m not sure that your reason for more people voting Labour is a valid one for a better chance for women to be leaders.
Also you say that life shouldn’t be deliberately made harder for ANY section of society.
Why then have you spent so much of your time looking for things to make life harder for any politicians who aren’t wearing the red rosette.
Aye.
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Syd being an idiot again!
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Syd being an idiot again!
Syd being an idiot again!
Syd being an idiot again!
Syd being an idiot again!
Syd being an idiot again!
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How does the existence of the Garrick club and Richard Moore’s membership of it affect the life of an average Guardian reader?
What systemic advantages do men have in the arts? And how does the Garrick Club perpetuate them?
I don’t have a problem with it (unless you can convince and enlighten me) just like I don’t have a problem with the WI. But said equality groups seem to think just men-only groups are bad.
Are you going to say why women shouldn't be allowed in nc?
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Sydney do you have any evidence of these members such as Brian Cox, Damian Lewis and Stephen Fry having misogynistic views and using this club as a means to put them in to practice in the world of the arts?
Surely there needs to be evidence of such things in order to force someone to lose their job?
I’ve explained the principle but again you seem unable to engage in debate that goes anything beyond completely literal.
Hound’s post was also good. Address that.
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Sydney do you have any evidence of these members such as Brian Cox, Damian Lewis and Stephen Fry having misogynistic views and using this club as a means to put them in to practice in the world of the arts?
Surely there needs to be evidence of such things in order to force someone to lose their job?
I’ve explained the principle but again you seem unable to engage in debate that goes anything beyond completely literal.
Hound’s post was also good. Address that.
If you can't answer a simple question just say nc, please don't bring all sorts of other stuff into the conversation that I have not been asked.
The question is straight forward enough don't make it complicated.
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Sydney do you have any evidence of these members such as Brian Cox, Damian Lewis and Stephen Fry having misogynistic views and using this club as a means to put them in to practice in the world of the arts?
Surely there needs to be evidence of such things in order to force someone to lose their job?
I’ve explained the principle but again you seem unable to engage in debate that goes anything beyond completely literal.
Hound’s post was also good. Address that.
If you can't answer a simple question just say nc, please don't bring all sorts of other stuff into the conversation that I have not been asked.
The question is straight forward enough don't make it complicated.
Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!
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Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!
Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!
Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!
Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!
Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!
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Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?
I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.
You didn’t answer my questions.
The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.
Does that line of thought reconcile when it comes to electing Labour leaders ?
You tell me tyke it's your story, but you can see on here that there are plenty wanting to undermine the deputy leader, life shouldn't be deliberately made harder for any section of society, women haven't had the vote for 100 years yet. And why I here you ask, because men didn't want them to have it. If more people voted labour, supported labour and got them into government more often there would be more opportunities for women to be leader, aye tyke?
You had 13 years of government , how many female Labour leaders have you had since ?
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I am a member of the Bradford club. The last remaining West Yorkshire gentleman’s club. We allowed lady members in the mid 80s ( far before my time) and now have a lady chairperson.
One member told me that he went home and told his wife that they were considering lady members but some members felt that their wives might consider this a threat. She told him “ My dear you might flatter yourself too much”. Enough said.
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It appears for some club membership was only ok if it was secret.
''In October 2011, Brenda Hale, who was then the only female judge in the supreme court, gave a speech to a diversity forum, organised by the law firm Norton Rose, and expressed her dismay that so many of her colleagues were members of the men-only Garrick Club.
At that time the club’s members included the president of the supreme court, three supreme court justices who sat alongside Hale and an estimated 25% of the most senior male judges in England and Wales. “I regard it as quite shocking that so many of my colleagues belong to the Garrick Club, but they don’t see what all the fuss is about,” she said. Hale became the third person and first woman to serve as president of the supreme court.
It has taken 12 and a half years, but four judges seem to have finally grasped what she meant – and resigned their membership.
What happened to change their minds? Why did they feel able to ignore the clear, consistent, repeated warnings of the most senior woman in British legal history for so long?
All four resigned a few days after the Guardian published the names of 60 people with influential roles in the British establishment who were members of a club that has for decades attracted criticism for its refusal to admit women, among them leading figures within the arts, politics and Whitehall''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/25/judges-didnt-see-what-the-fuss-over-garrick-club-was-about-they-do-now
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If men want to have a place where they feel comfortable only around other men, without being ridiculed, without being told or made to feel they're not needed, to simply tall about men stuff whatever they may be they can choose.
STOP ATTACKING MEN
And if your response is the pathetic limp "oh fragile masculinity" then you're part of the problem of the epidemic of male mental health issues something of which I'm extrema passionate about.
What next? Men can only meet at Andy man club or is that soon going to be attacked for being men only or having a male name
Women have women only gym sessions, swim sessions etc and no doubt their own members clubs. But as soon as a male has the same it's bad and must be crushed. I remember a while ago some women gate crashed a male only swim club by jumping in the water to protest. Imagine men being so petty as to do the same. They would be the ones getting told to simply f off
Start thinking about the someone who is your brother or your dad
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Good point you make there they could allow women to be members and then have women's times, men's times and mixed times.
Women are allowed in at present as guests.
NB. I didn't see either Pincher or Bone on the membership list.
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Why is it acceptable for women only clubs but not men only clubs ?
Men do need time for bonding with other men to talk issues that women can't understand.
Likewise for women.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with men only and women only clubs.
Its just libtards like Sidney and his cohort of guardian readers who have issue with it.
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TBH, I just think that Syd saw an opportunity to have an argument over something.
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Wonder if he has issue with Andys man club ?
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Why is it acceptable for women only clubs but not men only clubs ?
Men do need time for bonding with other men to talk issues that women can't understand.
Likewise for women.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with men only and women only clubs.
Its just libtards like Sidney and his cohort of guardian readers who have issue with it.
I think the point is Soapy is that when women have achieved equality when the UK has achieved equality and women occupy approx 50% of positions in high office then it gives men a limited view of the world,
Ignore whatever the parrot has said it will be just one of his snide remarks.
Us men should be able to have a reasonable conversation without the kids butting in.
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That was very nearly funny Syd, but you spoiled it when you said “us men.”
That made it into just another made up thing that you sometimes write.
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Garrett club Syd couldn’t even get in the Bally bridge Club!
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Why would women be let in, they don't look like small boys.
straight to the point as usual Nudga
It's probably the worst kept secret since it became known The Krays were facilitating stuff like this for the rich and powerful, politicians, judges, aristocrats etc at establishments like this.
Yep. Lord Boothby for one.
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I think what a lot of men are missing is that if we get the smartest of women in the top positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
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Syd, as has been explained on here, there are many women only clubs too.
Have you any evidence that suggests that women don’t benefit from them.
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The black only theatre. But let's get morally outraged at men wanting to spend time with men yet call the below 'progressive' or 'if they want to do that let them' or 'if they feel safe let them'.
Attack the men attached the men
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68440104
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You sound a little angry DA, only those arguing against are using words like outrage etc, is it black women only theatre or nothing to do with this topic?
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I think what a lot of men are missing is that if we get the smartest of women in the top positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
‘We’ as in Australia.
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I think what a lot of men are missing is that if we get the smartest of women in the top positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
‘We’ as in Australia.
We in the uk, we in Australia, we men all over the world spotty
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I think what a lot of men are missing is that if we get the smartest of women in the top positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
‘We’ as in Australia.
Sproty, I’m waiting for Syd to back up with some evidence that the UK would benefit from having women in the top positions.
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The black only theatre. But let's get morally outraged at men wanting to spend time with men yet call the below 'progressive' or 'if they want to do that let them' or 'if they feel safe let them'.
Attack the men attached the men
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68440104
I imagine you're upset as you wanted to get tickets.
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It’s a pity that women don’t occupy every seat in government in every country on the planet.
The world wouldn’t be in nearly as much shit as we are today.
PS: I enjoy listening to Woman’s Hour on Radio 4 and don’t feel the need to lobby for a Men’s Hour.
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positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
No Sydders you referred to your Country
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Oh Sydders while you’re on your crusade for women’s rights can you get the Muslims to allow Women into the mosques to pray together with unrelated men?
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positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
No Sydders you referred to your Country
C'mon sprot you live in a global village yourself, only a few days ago you were bragging about all the international visitors you were getting.
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positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
No Sydders you referred to your Country
Can you explain what you mean here Sproty because I’d like to respond once I understand what you’re saying.
Genuine question.
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positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
No Sydders you referred to your Country
Can you explain what you mean here Sproty because I’d like to respond once I understand what you’re saying.
Genuine question.
The top 2 lines are a Quote from Sydders
Sydders lives in Australia. And he is talking about Australia
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Oh Sydders while you’re on your crusade for women’s rights can you get the Muslims to allow Women into the mosques to pray together with unrelated men?
Bump!
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Oh Sydders while you’re on your crusade for women’s rights can you get the Muslims to allow Women into the mosques to pray together with unrelated men?
Bump!
Start a new topic if you want to discuss religion stropy
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Oh Sydders while you’re on your crusade for women’s rights can you get the Muslims to allow Women into the mosques to pray together with unrelated men?
Bump!
Start a new topic if you want to discuss religion stropy
No this in all about women rights,a topic you a championing!
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Oh Sydders while you’re on your crusade for women’s rights can you get the Muslims to allow Women into the mosques to pray together with unrelated men?
Bump!
Start a new topic if you want to discuss religion stropy
No this in all about women rights,a topic you a championing!
You've invoked god more once, what religion are you sporty?
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Oh Sydders while you’re on your crusade for women’s rights can you get the Muslims to allow Women into the mosques to pray together with unrelated men?
Bump!
Start a new topic if you want to discuss religion stropy
No this in all about women rights,a topic you a championing!
You've invoked god more once, what religion are you sporty?
You keep trying to wriggle off the hook, this is about you championing Women’s rights not Religion!
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Womens football right now - player/player relationships perfectly acceptable yet player/coach relationships are deemed inappropriate. Read between the lines......women/women OK, men/women not OK.
Leicester Womens manager just been sacked. its 2024 for god's sake workplace relationships do happen. And why would player/player be any more acceptable given pillow talk can be sharing tactics about each other's teams.
Attack and bring down the men
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Oh Sydders while you’re on your crusade for women’s rights can you get the Muslims to allow Women into the mosques to pray together with unrelated men?
Bump!
Start a new topic if you want to discuss religion stropy
No this in all about women rights,a topic you a championing!
You've invoked god more once, what religion are you sporty?
You keep trying to wriggle off the hook, this is about you championing Women’s rights not Religion!
And yet it was your question about Muslim women, don't you think it fair if you want to discus other's religion that you declare your own interest, you do have one don't you, you were not taking god's (male or female) name in vain I'd hope?
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Womens football right now - player/player relationships perfectly acceptable yet player/coach relationships are deemed inappropriate. Read between the lines......women/women OK, men/women not OK.
Leicester Womens manager just been sacked. its 2024 for god's sake workplace relationships do happen. And why would player/player be any more acceptable given pillow talk can be sharing tactics about each other's teams.
Attack and bring down the men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJ9gnt7wNo
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Oh Sydders while you’re on your crusade for women’s rights can you get the Muslims to allow Women into the mosques to pray together with unrelated men?
Bump!
Start a new topic if you want to discuss religion stropy
No this in all about women rights,a topic you a championing!
You've invoked god more once, what religion are you sporty?
You keep trying to wriggle off the hook, this is about you championing Women’s rights not Religion!
And yet it was your question about Muslim women, don't you think it fair if you want to discus other's religion that you declare your own interest, you do have one don't you, you were not taking god's (male or female) name in vain I'd hope?
There is nothing in the Muslim holy book preventing Men and women from praying together it’s an equality issue, come on Sydders sort it?
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I just thought in the interest of fairness you'd want to discuss a religion of which you'd be more likely to be a member sprity, I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.
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I just thought in the interest of fairness you'd want to discuss a religion of which you'd be more likely to be a member sprity, I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.
I know what religion you are Sydders you have disclosed that to us in the past.
As I said this is about you and your women’s equality bandwagon, I have given you an example that affects hundreds of millions but you are a bit reticent now?
There is nothing in the Muslim holy book preventing Men and women from praying together it’s an equality issue, come on Sydders sort it?
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I guess you and others will be chaining yourselves to the railings of the club demanding that they stay steadfast in their wisdom and keep women members out spurty?
''Garrick Club asked to consider membership for seven leading women
A group of men at the club who hope the male-only rule will change have nominated a set of possible new members''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/28/garrick-club-seven-women-nominated-membership
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I guess you and others will be chaining yourselves to the railings of the club demanding that they stay steadfast in their wisdom and keep women members out spurty?
''Garrick Club asked to consider membership for seven leading women
A group of men at the club who hope the male-only rule will change have nominated a set of possible new members''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/28/garrick-club-seven-women-nominated-membership
Sorry to disappoint the only clubs I have ever been a member of are Balby bridge club, York Bar, the Graceholme club and The Bomb at Woodlands,
If the Garrick club closed tomorrow I would’ve shed a tear!
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I think that Mohammed treated women as equals and respected in their own right. Later men, Imams etc decided that men were more powerful and women were 2nd class citizens.
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Female Premier League football manager pushes (assaults) male and then has he audacity to say she doesn't like male aggression. Wow. Attack the males attack the males
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68705202
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Good morning gentlemen or should I say .............
''The club’s committee passed a motion to accept new legal advice clarifying that the pronoun “he” should be seen as interchangeable with “she” in law, so the club’s rules already permit women to join''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/04/garrick-moves-closer-to-admitting-female-members-after-193-years-of-exclusion
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Sydney if I change my pronouns to “she/her” should the WI let me in?
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You could wait and see if the sky falls in nc
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I think what a lot of men are missing is that if we get the smartest of women in the top positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
What barriers exist at present for smart women getting in to top roles in this country?
(I’m not necessarily saying there isn’t I’m just picking your brains and we’ll go from there)
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I think what a lot of men are missing is that if we get the smartest of women in the top positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
What barriers exist at present for smart women getting in to top roles in this country?
(I’m not necessarily saying there isn’t I’m just picking your brains and we’ll go from there)
I'm really surprised I have to educate you on this nc
''Women hold 42% of board seats at big UK firms, but just 10 are FTSE 100 bosses. Women occupy more than two in five seats on the boards of the UK's biggest listed companies but there are still “too few” in top positions with just 10 female FTSE 100 chief executives, according to a report.27 Feb 2024''
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/27/women-board-seats-uk-firms-ftse-100-bosses#:~:text=1%20month%20old-,Women%20hold%2042%25%20of%20board%20seats%20at%20big%20UK%20firms,10%20are%20FTSE%20100%20bosses&text=Women%20occupy%20more%20than%20two,executives%2C%20according%20to%20a%20report.
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I think what a lot of men are missing is that if we get the smartest of women in the top positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
What barriers exist at present for smart women getting in to top roles in this country?
(I’m not necessarily saying there isn’t I’m just picking your brains and we’ll go from there)
I'm really surprised I have to educate you on this nc
''Women hold 42% of board seats at big UK firms, but just 10 are FTSE 100 bosses. Women occupy more than two in five seats on the boards of the UK's biggest listed companies but there are still “too few” in top positions with just 10 female FTSE 100 chief executives, according to a report.27 Feb 2024''
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/27/women-board-seats-uk-firms-ftse-100-bosses#:~:text=1%20month%20old-,Women%20hold%2042%25%20of%20board%20seats%20at%20big%20UK%20firms,10%20are%20FTSE%20100%20bosses&text=Women%20occupy%20more%20than%20two,executives%2C%20according%20to%20a%20report.
Can you show us how this is reflected in Muslim Countries such as Iran, Pakistan etc?
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Here's some more that you may find interesting nc.
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Syd, how many female leaders have the Labour Party had?
In your own time.
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Syd, how many female leaders have the Labour Party had?
In your own time.
Margaret Beckett 1994
Diane Abbott 2010
Yvette Cooper 2015
Liz Kendall 2015
All fell short to be leader of the Labour Party , could be just bad luck of course .
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Didn't Harriet Harman take over for a while?
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Didn't Harriet Harman take over for a while?
As deputy possibly, but she wasn't an elected leader.
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Acting Leader twice after Brown and Miliband
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Labour Party and women! They alright in the concert room but aren’t allowed in the Bar
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Syd, how many female leaders have the Labour Party had?
In your own time.
You don't have to be scared of women just because they're smarter than you Steve
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Good news (from the guardia)
Nearly there in one aspect .........
''Gender pay gap in Great Britain smallest since reporting first enforced
Women still being paid 91p for every £1 a man earns, analysis shows, with gap stubbornly high in public sector''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/gender-pay-gap-in-great-britain-smallest-since-reporting-first-enforced
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Good news (from the guardia)
Nearly there in one aspect .........
''Gender pay gap in Great Britain smallest since reporting first enforced
Women still being paid 91p for every £1 a man earns, analysis shows, with gap stubbornly high in public sector''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/gender-pay-gap-in-great-britain-smallest-since-reporting-first-enforced
Good to know that your crusade is working then Syd.
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Good news (from the guardia)
Nearly there in one aspect .........
''Gender pay gap in Great Britain smallest since reporting first enforced
Women still being paid 91p for every £1 a man earns, analysis shows, with gap stubbornly high in public sector''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/gender-pay-gap-in-great-britain-smallest-since-reporting-first-enforced
Good to know that your crusade is working then Syd.
Not quite Hound .
Here's a list of the Labour Party's Metro Mayors .
Andy Burnham
Dan Norris
Nik Johnson
Oliver Coppard
Sadiq Khan
Steve Rotheram
* Tracy Brabin *
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Good news (from the guardia)
Nearly there in one aspect .........
''Gender pay gap in Great Britain smallest since reporting first enforced
Women still being paid 91p for every £1 a man earns, analysis shows, with gap stubbornly high in public sector''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/gender-pay-gap-in-great-britain-smallest-since-reporting-first-enforced
Good to know that your crusade is working then Syd.
Not quite Hound .
Here's a list of the Labour Party's Metro Mayors .
Andy Burnham
Dan Norris
Nik Johnson
Oliver Coppard
Sadiq Khan
Steve Rotheram
* Tracy Brabin *
Was it any different to when you claimed you voted labour tyke?
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Good news (from the guardia)
Nearly there in one aspect .........
''Gender pay gap in Great Britain smallest since reporting first enforced
Women still being paid 91p for every £1 a man earns, analysis shows, with gap stubbornly high in public sector''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/gender-pay-gap-in-great-britain-smallest-since-reporting-first-enforced
Good to know that your crusade is working then Syd.
Not quite Hound .
Here's a list of the Labour Party's Metro Mayors .
Andy Burnham
Dan Norris
Nik Johnson
Oliver Coppard
Sadiq Khan
Steve Rotheram
* Tracy Brabin *
Was it any different to when you claimed you voted labour tyke?
If you want the honest truth I couldn't care less which gender rises to the top of politics , it should always be about ability and nothing else .
My point is the party of identity politics haven't a particularly good record in their own back yard .
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That's maybe part of the problem those that couldn't care less
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Ere' dad, I didn't get that job on the civil service I wanted ..............
I couldn't .........
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That's maybe part of the problem those that couldn't care less
Meritocracy is the only game in town Syd , that's the reality of real life .
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
Have you any evidence to support your view that women aren’t being given equal opportunities Syd.
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Syd, how many female leaders have the Labour Party had?
In your own time.
You don't have to be scared of women just because they're smarter than you Steve
You really are the most stupid person I've come across.
Stop acting daft, and just answer the f*cking question I asked.
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
The mistake you liberals make with your identity politics is to assume that gender , sexuality and skin colour are the only reason why people don't always make it to the top .
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How did a thread about equality get hijacked and descend into insults?
Rhetorical.
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When I used to vote Labour,by God a woman knew her place.
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Syd, how many female leaders have the Labour Party had?
In your own time.
You don't have to be scared of women just because they're smarter than you Steve
You really are the most stupid person I've come across.
Stop acting daft, and just answer the f*cking question I asked.
Isn't it just banter Steve, you did tell me that again the other day, oh that's right it's just you and the peanut gallery that make the rules right?
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Syd, how many female leaders have the Labour Party had?
In your own time.
You don't have to be scared of women just because they're smarter than you Steve
You really are the most stupid person I've come across.
Stop acting daft, and just answer the f*cking question I asked.
Isn't it just banter Steve, you did tell me that again the other day, oh that's right it's just you and the peanut gallery that make the rules right?
13677 shite posts Sydders, haven’t you got a life/wife down there in workers Utopia?
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
The mistake you liberals make with your identity politics is to assume that gender , sexuality and skin colour are the only reason why people don't always make it to the top .
I see you don't have an answer so you try to divert and start an argument, it's your modus operandi tyke.
I guess you can take heart from all the others around doing exactly the same
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Says the king of not responding!!
We won at Morecambe today Syd, 3-0 by the way.
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How did a thread about equality get hijacked and descend into insults?
Rhetorical.
Because a certain poster was asked why the Labour Party, who are supposed to be the champions of equality, have never elected a female leader.
As usual, he refused to answer.
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How did a thread about equality get hijacked and descend into insults?
Rhetorical.
Because a certain poster was asked why the Labour Party, who are supposed to be the champions of equality, have never elected a female leader.
As usual, he refused to answer.
was it the same when you voted labour Steve?
even working together in a flock and pooling brain cells it's still only single figures we're talking about aye?
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How did a thread about equality get hijacked and descend into insults?
Rhetorical.
Because a certain poster was asked why the Labour Party, who are supposed to be the champions of equality, have never elected a female leader.
As usual, he refused to answer.
was it the same when you voted labour Steve?
But Steve hasn’t been complaining about Labour not having female leaders Syd, or that voting Labour would make things like that change.
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
The mistake you liberals make with your identity politics is to assume that gender , sexuality and skin colour are the only reason why people don't always make it to the top .
I see you don't have an answer so you try to divert and start an argument, it's your modus operandi tyke.
I guess you can take heart from all the others around doing exactly the same
Poor old Syd , you don't even know what it is you claim to stand up for .
You claim to stand up for equal opportunities for individuals irrespective of gender , race , sexuality or religious beliefs which is fine .
Except that's not what progressives are actually doing today but you support this as well .
Today progressives campaign for equal outcomes for groups , Black Lives Matter is the standout example .
They are conflicting ideologies .
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
The mistake you liberals make with your identity politics is to assume that gender , sexuality and skin colour are the only reason why people don't always make it to the top .
I see you don't have an answer so you try to divert and start an argument, it's your modus operandi tyke.
I guess you can take heart from all the others around doing exactly the same
Poor old Syd , you don't even know what it is you claim to stand up for .
You claim to stand up for equal opportunities for individuals irrespective of gender , race , sexuality or religious beliefs which is fine .
Except that's not what progressives are actually doing today but you support this as well .
Today progressives campaign for equal outcomes for groups , Black Lives Matter is the standout example .
They are conflicting ideologies .
hope not hate tyke
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
The mistake you liberals make with your identity politics is to assume that gender , sexuality and skin colour are the only reason why people don't always make it to the top .
I see you don't have an answer so you try to divert and start an argument, it's your modus operandi tyke.
I guess you can take heart from all the others around doing exactly the same
Poor old Syd , you don't even know what it is you claim to stand up for .
You claim to stand up for equal opportunities for individuals irrespective of gender , race , sexuality or religious beliefs which is fine .
Except that's not what progressives are actually doing today but you support this as well .
Today progressives campaign for equal outcomes for groups , Black Lives Matter is the standout example .
They are conflicting ideologies .
hope not hate tyke
That's another campaign for equal outcomes for groups Syd .
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
The mistake you liberals make with your identity politics is to assume that gender , sexuality and skin colour are the only reason why people don't always make it to the top .
I see you don't have an answer so you try to divert and start an argument, it's your modus operandi tyke.
I guess you can take heart from all the others around doing exactly the same
Poor old Syd , you don't even know what it is you claim to stand up for .
You claim to stand up for equal opportunities for individuals irrespective of gender , race , sexuality or religious beliefs which is fine .
Except that's not what progressives are actually doing today but you support this as well .
Today progressives campaign for equal outcomes for groups , Black Lives Matter is the standout example .
They are conflicting ideologies .
hope not hate tyke
That's another campaign for equal outcomes for groups Syd .
May 2 and General Election a little later and Alfie May is rumoured to be a Starmer admirer.
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I support meritocracy but at present the house is stacked against women. I'm trying to show that it is important that if several people apply for a position and are equally qualified it shouldn't matter whether you are female, male or which school you went to for that matter, all should have equal opportunity.
The mistake you liberals make with your identity politics is to assume that gender , sexuality and skin colour are the only reason why people don't always make it to the top .
I see you don't have an answer so you try to divert and start an argument, it's your modus operandi tyke.
I guess you can take heart from all the others around doing exactly the same
Poor old Syd , you don't even know what it is you claim to stand up for .
You claim to stand up for equal opportunities for individuals irrespective of gender , race , sexuality or religious beliefs which is fine .
Except that's not what progressives are actually doing today but you support this as well .
Today progressives campaign for equal outcomes for groups , Black Lives Matter is the standout example .
They are conflicting ideologies .
hope not hate tyke
That's another campaign for equal outcomes for groups Syd .
May 2 and General Election a little later and Alfie May is rumoured to be a Starmer admirer.
Please tell me you aren’t attempting to take credit for the striker you let go for nowt and becoming the best striker in league one whilst you got relegated to league two on the back of his two superb goals on Saturday ?
Even the tories aren’t that shameless
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No, I'm trying to second guess every possible thing you could blame labour for.
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Sydney your links your trusty Guardian search bar has found show that lots of progress is being made so thank you for helping me with my point.
Because of such rapid progress in a short space of time for women and their careers I will ask you again - What barriers exist to women in obtaining top jobs *right now*?
Societal and cultural changes will of course take a while to filter through in to the statistics, people don’t just magically become a top boss straight away.
According to the Equality Act 2010 in the United Kingdom, men and women performing equal work must receive equal pay.
Here is one overlooked factor. “Among women born in 1975 who completed their childbearing years in 2020, 18% remained childless, while 17% had only one child”. So that means 65% of women had 2 or more children. With that comes x2 9 months maternity leave and then likely looking for part-time roles to balance motherhood with a career. I would argue that this is a bigger factor in the gender pay gap than “evil men” conspiring to make it so. That factor would give us a far smaller pool of women who can make the sacrifices necessary in life to get a top FTSE CEO job? But of course there are more ways to value someone than just the wage they earn.
Women are increasingly seeing their career as a more important priority in life and society emphasises that.
My mate who lives in Melbourne, Australia works down the mines and says that it is a sexist country. With all the men mining and all the women doing the domestic stuff. That’s just anecdotal though.
In the UK last year 96% of all workplace fatalities were men. In the US over 90% of individuals working in the 4 most hazardous jobs are men. Is that because of gender inequality or is it because men are more likely to take up such roles due to physical strength and risk-taking behaviour? Would it be progress to get more women to take up risky jobs?
Another example is more women working in care and education. Is that inequality or just the interests and skills required in those fields coming more naturally to women (many studies have found that women have far higher empathy than men).
There’s a lot to it. But tyke is right to bring that up. Not every inequality of outcome in life is due to inequality of opportunity.
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Hi nc before I read the whole of your discourse you'll have to explain what you mean by rapid progress as you appear to only have recently become aware that there is a problem.
''Because of such rapid progress in a short space of time for women and their careers''
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I think what a lot of men are missing is that if we get the smartest of women in the top positions the country will benefit as a whole. Having exclusive blokey clubs ends up with mates looking after mates.
What barriers exist at present for smart women getting in to top roles in this country?
(I’m not necessarily saying there isn’t I’m just picking your brains and we’ll go from there)
I'm really surprised I have to educate you on this nc
''Women hold 42% of board seats at big UK firms, but just 10 are FTSE 100 bosses. Women occupy more than two in five seats on the boards of the UK's biggest listed companies but there are still “too few” in top positions with just 10 female FTSE 100 chief executives, according to a report.27 Feb 2024''
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/27/women-board-seats-uk-firms-ftse-100-bosses#:~:text=1%20month%20old-,Women%20hold%2042%25%20of%20board%20seats%20at%20big%20UK%20firms,10%20are%20FTSE%20100%20bosses&text=Women%20occupy%20more%20than%20two,executives%2C%20according%20to%20a%20report.
The evidence provided in this article. With regards to FTSE CEO’s at least.
You also put up another post that talked about the fact the gender pay gap was closing.
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Yes but this isn't new it's been like this forever, no?
Hint: it harks from a time when physical strength was a more dominant factor than brains ...
although .......
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Yes but this isn't new it's been like this forever, no?
Did you make it past the first paragraph of my post?
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No, I said
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“In the UK last year…”
The US stat is taken from 2019 -
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-conscious/202104/why-do-men-have-the-most-dangerous-jobs
What do you mean “although…”?
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Don't keep giving me text to read, tell me what you think, I never get the idea when you write on off topic that it's you that's talking. The links especially for this subject are only required to support the numbers that exist that show that women are second class to men and archaic instances such as the garrick club, the rest is out there in every day life.
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the 'although bit is general and it means that men still want to rule by bullying and it shows on both boards quite often, although there is an 'although' for women in this case as it does occurs with them also.
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the 'although bit is general and it means that men still want to rule by bullying and it shows on both boards quite often, although there is an 'although' for women in this case as it does occurs with them also.
Question for you Sydney .
Christine Largarde former head of the IMF and current President of the European Central Bank once said
" the financial crash wouldn't have happened had it been Lehman Sisters "
What do you think she meant ?
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question to you tyky wiky, have you made a comment on topic yet?
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On cue we have the apoplectic murdoch media (advisedly) and the 'right' finding offence with the appointment of a female governor-general, in the past this position has gone to someone living on welfare at buck house or ex-military etc .......
(correction friends of buck house)
''Viceregal controversies aren't new but Sam Mostyn's appointment took the outrage to new levels''
.......... ''There have to date been 27 governors-general of this federation. One of them, Dame Quentin Bryce, has been female. The addition of another does not, to a rational eye, even faintly confirm an emerging new underclass of judicial and military gentlemen crushed under the merciless Jimmy Choos of a new skirtocracy''
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-10/sam-mostyn-governor-general-viceregal-drama/103686858
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On cue we have the apoplectic murdoch media (advisedly) and the 'right' finding offence with the appointment of a female governor-general, in the past this position has gone to someone living on welfare at buck house or ex-military etc .......
(correction friends of buck house)
''Viceregal controversies aren't new but Sam Mostyn's appointment took the outrage to new levels''
.......... ''There have to date been 27 governors-general of this federation. One of them, Dame Quentin Bryce, has been female. The addition of another does not, to a rational eye, even faintly confirm an emerging new underclass of judicial and military gentlemen crushed under the merciless Jimmy Choos of a new skirtocracy''
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-10/sam-mostyn-governor-general-viceregal-drama/103686858
Perhaps your time would be better served by campaigning for things that are relevant to you and your fellow Aussies such as the rights of the indigenous Population, you could probably claim indigenous ancestry” my grandma came from a tribe that lived in the area of Doncaster (Oz)”like so many other like minded scrounges have !
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question to you tyky wiky, have you made a comment on topic yet?
Yep think so , any chance you can answer my question ?
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question to you tyky wiky, have you made a comment on topic yet?
Yep think so , any chance you can answer my question ?
All you have to do tyke is show where you have debated the pros and cons of women/s membership of the Garrick club.
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question to you tyky wiky, have you made a comment on topic yet?
Yep think so , any chance you can answer my question ?
All you have to do tyke is show where you have debated the pros and cons of women/s membership of the Garrick club.
All you have to do is answer Tykes question
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question to you tyky wiky, have you made a comment on topic yet?
Yep think so , any chance you can answer my question ?
All you have to do tyke is show where you have debated the pros and cons of women/s membership of the Garrick club.
All you have to do is answer Tykes question
And mine
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question to you tyky wiky, have you made a comment on topic yet?
Yep think so , any chance you can answer my question ?
All you have to do tyke is show where you have debated the pros and cons of women/s membership of the Garrick club.
All you have to do is answer Tykes question
And mine
No chance he will be changing the subject that’s his MO
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I'll take question directly related to the topic, please wait quietly in an orderly queue.
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Let's play a fun game. The Sydney police have come out and said "it's obvious" that the male perpetrator was attacking females - a male did die but we'll sweep over that, there's also as yet not been an official investigation nor conclusion as to the real motives. But apparently we'll just judge from the cctv. It could well be that he did target women, but as said we'll go ahead and make statements anyway beforehand
Now today in Sydney we've had a tanned looking chap stab Christian church goers. Shall we see how quickly the police, with little to no evidence other than grainy video, come out and say "it's obvious this brown looking chap who might be Muslim has attacked white male Christians ". I'll bet you not. I'll bet they wouldn't dare, and rightly so
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Where's the fun bit?
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Anyone else get the feeling a poster on this thread feels they were picked on by little girls as a child?
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Anyone else get the feeling a poster on this thread feels they were picked on by little girls as a child?
You ‘Coming out’ Pearly,you already have indicated your preferences Pearly!
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Anyone else get the feeling a poster on this thread feels they were picked on by little girls as a child?
You ‘Coming out’ Pearly,you already have indicated your preferences Pearly!
You really aren't the brightest are you Sproty?
In fact you are as thick as your dogging stick.
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Anyone else get the feeling a poster on this thread feels they were picked on by little girls as a child?
You ‘Coming out’ Pearly,you already have indicated your preferences Pearly!
You really aren't the brightest are you Sproty?
In fact you are as thick as your dogging stick.
Oh I do hope this isn’t the start of another one of your pathetic attempts at Grooming Pearly!
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And I was totally wrong :laugh: declared a terrorist incident. The cancer has spread to Aussie shores
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''Members back dropping men-only rule in place for 193 years, after Guardian revealed details of membership list''
By now some of you that replied to this topic maybe feeling a bit empty, devastated even at the recent news. If you feel wronged and that the world is spinning to fast it's better to seek help and deal with it.
''The musicians Sting and Mark Knopfler, along with Fry, wrote saying they would resign because “public controversy over this issue” had put them in an untenable position, jeopardising their relations with female colleagues''
This bunch maybe shouldn't have joined.