Garrick club

[SydneyRover]

Is the Garrick Club a venue for those that are too old or didn't make it into the Bullingdon Club?

''Boris Johnson, a former prime minister, defended the Garrick, of which he was once a member, and criticised the pressure that caused the resignations of the MI6 chief Richard Moore, cabinet secretary Simon Case and OBR head Robert Chote from the club''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/22/equality-groups-urge-cultural-elite-to-give-up-garrick-club-membership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

[ncRover]

How does the existence of the Garrick club and Richard Moore’s membership of it affect the life of an average Guardian reader?

What systemic advantages do men have in the arts? And how does the Garrick Club perpetuate them?

I don’t have a problem with it (unless you can convince and enlighten me) just like I don’t have a problem with the WI. But said equality groups seem to think just men-only groups are bad.

[SydneyRover]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

[glosterred]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

Can you explain the need to let women in Syd

[SydneyRover]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

Can you explain the need to let women in Syd

Can you explain the need to keep them out Glos? I guess you can't otherwise you may have said.

[Nudga]

Why would women be let in, they don't look like small boys.

[SydneyRover]

Why would women be let in, they don't look like small boys.

straight to the point as usual Nudga

[Nudga]

Why would women be let in, they don't look like small boys.

straight to the point as usual Nudga

It's probably the worst kept secret since it became known The Krays were facilitating stuff like this for the rich and powerful, politicians, judges, aristocrats etc at establishments like this.

[SydneyRover]

FYI women can go to the club as a guest but they cannot become members. I haven't yet found evidence of any woman wanting to become a member.

[drfchound]

Is the Garrick Club a venue for those that are too old or didn't make it into the Bullingdon Club?

''Boris Johnson, a former prime minister, defended the Garrick, of which he was once a member, and criticised the pressure that caused the resignations of the MI6 chief Richard Moore, cabinet secretary Simon Case and OBR head Robert Chote from the club''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/22/equality-groups-urge-cultural-elite-to-give-up-garrick-club-membership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

Jeez, why do people get so wound up by something like this.

Syd, do you have any views on this:

Friday 25 May 2018

The first female-only private members club in the UK has been opened in London by entrepreneur Debbie Wosskow (OG92) to provide working women with an oasis where they can ‘create’, ‘collaborate’ and ‘thrive’ – and ultimately – boost their careers

The AllBright, which opened its doors in Bloomsbury on International Women’s Day in March, is already attracting female entrepreneurs, executives, creatives, and consultants from a wide range of industries.

The idea behind the club is to offer professional women space where they can work, hold meetings and socialise while also enjoying the benefits of a programme of events, talks, exhibitions, debates and networking.

[ncRover]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.

You didn’t answer my questions.

[SydneyRover]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.

You didn’t answer my questions.

The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.

[tyke1962]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.

You didn’t answer my questions.

The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.

Does that line of thought reconcile when it comes to electing Labour leaders ?

[SydneyRover]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.

You didn’t answer my questions.

The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.

Does that line of thought reconcile when it comes to electing Labour leaders ?

You tell me tyke it's your story, but you can see on here that there are plenty wanting to undermine the deputy leader, life shouldn't be deliberately made harder for any section of society, women haven't had the vote for 100 years yet. And why I here you ask, because men didn't want them to have it. If more people voted labour, supported labour and got them into government more often there would be more opportunities for women to be leader, aye tyke?

[SydneyRover]

I think you were going to tell me why women shouldn't be allowed in nc?

[glosterred]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

Can you explain the need to let women in Syd

Can you explain the need to keep them out Glos? I guess you can't otherwise you may have said.

Can you explain the need to let them in Syd? I guess you can’t or otherwise you may have said

[SydneyRover]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.

You didn’t answer my questions.

The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.

Right here Glos

[drfchound]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.

You didn’t answer my questions.

The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.

Does that line of thought reconcile when it comes to electing Labour leaders ?

You tell me tyke it's your story, but you can see on here that there are plenty wanting to undermine the deputy leader, life shouldn't be deliberately made harder for any section of society, women haven't had the vote for 100 years yet. And why I here you ask, because men didn't want them to have it. If more people voted labour, supported labour and got them into government more often there would be more opportunities for women to be leader, aye tyke?

Syd, how many female Party leaders have Labour had?
How many have the Tory’s had?
I’m not sure that your reason for more people voting Labour is a valid one for a better chance for women to be leaders.
Also you say that life shouldn’t be deliberately made harder for ANY section of society.
Why then have you spent  so much of your time looking for things to make life harder for any politicians who aren’t wearing the red rosette.
Aye.

[Sprotyrover]

Syd being an idiot again!

[SydneyRover]

Syd being an idiot again!

Syd being an idiot again!

Syd being an idiot again!

Syd being an idiot again!

Syd being an idiot again!

[SydneyRover]

How does the existence of the Garrick club and Richard Moore’s membership of it affect the life of an average Guardian reader?

What systemic advantages do men have in the arts? And how does the Garrick Club perpetuate them?

I don’t have a problem with it (unless you can convince and enlighten me) just like I don’t have a problem with the WI. But said equality groups seem to think just men-only groups are bad.

Are you going to say why women shouldn't be allowed in nc?

[ncRover]

Sydney do you have any evidence of these members such as Brian Cox, Damian Lewis and Stephen Fry having misogynistic views and using this club as a means to put them in to practice in the world of the arts?

Surely there needs to be evidence of such things in order to force someone to lose their job?

I’ve explained the principle but again you seem unable to engage in debate that goes anything beyond completely literal.

Hound’s post was also good. Address that.

[SydneyRover]

Sydney do you have any evidence of these members such as Brian Cox, Damian Lewis and Stephen Fry having misogynistic views and using this club as a means to put them in to practice in the world of the arts?

Surely there needs to be evidence of such things in order to force someone to lose their job?

I’ve explained the principle but again you seem unable to engage in debate that goes anything beyond completely literal.

Hound’s post was also good. Address that.

If you can't answer a simple question just say nc, please don't bring all sorts of other stuff into the conversation that I have not been asked.

The question is straight forward enough don't make it complicated.

[Sprotyrover]

Sydney do you have any evidence of these members such as Brian Cox, Damian Lewis and Stephen Fry having misogynistic views and using this club as a means to put them in to practice in the world of the arts?

Surely there needs to be evidence of such things in order to force someone to lose their job?

I’ve explained the principle but again you seem unable to engage in debate that goes anything beyond completely literal.

Hound’s post was also good. Address that.

If you can't answer a simple question just say nc, please don't bring all sorts of other stuff into the conversation that I have not been asked.

The question is straight forward enough don't make it complicated.

Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!

[SydneyRover]

Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!

Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!

Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!

Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!

Oh asking more questions are we Skippy ? go and shove your head downunder!

[tyke1962]

Maybe you could explain the need to keep women out nc?

I don’t have a problem with women having the freedom to create women-only groups. Therefore I am simply being consistent.

You didn’t answer my questions.

The problem is that many of these men that are members of this elite club have a say in the arts the judiciary and politics, these are powerful people, by excluding an extremely important sector of society could lead to them have a very disjointed view of the world where women are regarded as being not good enough.

Does that line of thought reconcile when it comes to electing Labour leaders ?

You tell me tyke it's your story, but you can see on here that there are plenty wanting to undermine the deputy leader, life shouldn't be deliberately made harder for any section of society, women haven't had the vote for 100 years yet. And why I here you ask, because men didn't want them to have it. If more people voted labour, supported labour and got them into government more often there would be more opportunities for women to be leader, aye tyke?

You had 13 years of government , how many female Labour leaders have you had since ?

[idler]

I am a member of the Bradford club. The last remaining West Yorkshire gentleman’s club. We allowed lady members in the mid 80s ( far before my time) and now have a lady chairperson.
One member told me that he went home and told his wife that they were considering lady members but some members felt that their wives might consider this a threat. She told him “ My dear you might flatter yourself too much”. Enough said.

[SydneyRover]

It appears for some club membership was only ok if it was secret.

''In October 2011, Brenda Hale, who was then the only female judge in the supreme court, gave a speech to a diversity forum, organised by the law firm Norton Rose, and expressed her dismay that so many of her colleagues were members of the men-only Garrick Club.

At that time the club’s members included the president of the supreme court, three supreme court justices who sat alongside Hale and an estimated 25% of the most senior male judges in England and Wales. “I regard it as quite shocking that so many of my colleagues belong to the Garrick Club, but they don’t see what all the fuss is about,” she said. Hale became the third person and first woman to serve as president of the supreme court.

It has taken 12 and a half years, but four judges seem to have finally grasped what she meant – and resigned their membership.

What happened to change their minds? Why did they feel able to ignore the clear, consistent, repeated warnings of the most senior woman in British legal history for so long?

All four resigned a few days after the Guardian published the names of 60 people with influential roles in the British establishment who were members of a club that has for decades attracted criticism for its refusal to admit women, among them leading figures within the arts, politics and Whitehall''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/25/judges-didnt-see-what-the-fuss-over-garrick-club-was-about-they-do-now

[DRFC_AjA]

 If men want to have a place where they feel comfortable only around other men, without being ridiculed, without being told or made to feel they're not needed, to simply tall about men stuff whatever they may be they can choose.

STOP ATTACKING MEN

And if your response is the pathetic limp "oh fragile masculinity" then you're part of the problem of the epidemic of male mental health issues something of which I'm extrema passionate about.

What next? Men can only meet at Andy man club or is that soon going to be attacked for being men only or having a male name

Women have women only gym sessions, swim sessions etc and no doubt their own members clubs. But as soon as a male has the same it's bad and must be crushed. I remember a while ago some women gate crashed a male only swim club by jumping in the water to protest. Imagine men being so petty as to do the same. They would be the ones getting told to simply f off

Start thinking about the someone who is your brother or your dad

[SydneyRover]

Good point you make there they could allow women to be members and then have women's times, men's times and mixed times.

Women are allowed in at present as guests.

NB. I didn't see either Pincher or Bone on the membership list.