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Sammy Chung was King

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What is more important
« on December 16, 2021, 04:21:44 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
With the appointment of a new manager. Would you rather have someone who plays football the ‘right way’ and it maybe led to relegation but a possible promotion the following year?.
Or would you take a ‘ long ball’ specialist who would maintain our league one status but the following year we are still struggling?.

Hypothetical I know as we could just as easily stay up with someone playing the ‘right way’ as a ‘long ball’ merchant.
Would you take back an ex manager ?. If a Saunders, Penney or O’Driscoll got it could you support it?.



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GazLaz

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Re: What is more important
« Reply #1 on December 16, 2021, 04:26:47 pm by GazLaz »
Surely you recruit a coach to fit your playing squad.

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #2 on December 16, 2021, 04:31:20 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
Yes I would think so gaz and looking at our squad it’s set up to play a short passing game.

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« Reply #3 on December 16, 2021, 04:43:56 pm by Campsall rover »
Surely you recruit a coach to fit your playing squad.
Absolutely. No good playing it long with who we have. You need a proper target man, someone who can hold the ball up.
Rotherham have Smith and he is damn good at it. 

Too much is made of long ball football.  There is direct football and there is the stuff that nutter at Cambridge played 25 years ago. John Beck his name. Now if what his team played is football then I have been watching something different for almost 60 years.
That was seriously dire. Rugby Union with a football that’s what I would call it.


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« Reply #4 on December 16, 2021, 04:47:31 pm by phil old leake »
Anyone who can motivate the team and keep them up with the balls to off load all the trash before next year

Campsall rover

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« Reply #5 on December 16, 2021, 04:54:37 pm by Campsall rover »
With the appointment of a new manager. Would you rather have someone who plays football the ‘right way’ and it maybe led to relegation but a possible promotion the following year?.
Or would you take a ‘ long ball’ specialist who would maintain our league one status but the following year we are still struggling?.

Hypothetical I know as we could just as easily stay up with someone playing the ‘right way’ as a ‘long ball’ merchant.
Would you take back an ex manager ?. If a Saunders, Penney or O’Driscoll got it could you support it?.
Not sure what the right way is SCK 
Would you be happy with us playing like Rotherham and winning ( if we had the players to play that system )
Or what about Wycombe, very successful over the last 3/4 years under Ainsworth. Not pretty but effective.
Very niggly, looking to gain every advantage they can, time wasting at every opportunity.

Personally I could live with Paul Warne’s way of playing but not Gareth Ainsworth’s just horrible watching a team with those antics.
Rotherham are solid, direct and get loads of crosses into the box. Well isn’t that the objective, get balls into the mixer have 2/3 players wanting to get on the end of those crosses and score goals.
Yes please I will have some of that.
Our 2012/13 team did that with Copps and Cotterill out wide with Painter and Brown in the box.

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Re: What is more important
« Reply #6 on December 16, 2021, 04:57:52 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
With the appointment of a new manager. Would you rather have someone who plays football the ‘right way’ and it maybe led to relegation but a possible promotion the following year?.
Or would you take a ‘ long ball’ specialist who would maintain our league one status but the following year we are still struggling?.

Hypothetical I know as we could just as easily stay up with someone playing the ‘right way’ as a ‘long ball’ merchant.
Would you take back an ex manager ?. If a Saunders, Penney or O’Driscoll got it could you support it?.

Define the right way?

I think in this league, there are teams that can overpower others. Teams with big physical specimens who play with high intensity, get the ball from back to front in the shortest time and bombard the box at every opportunity.

We don’t see as much finesse from these teams  but they are effective until you go up a league where teams are more evenly matched physically and that's where you need that extra bit of quality on top to succeed.

Rotherham is a prime example  Wycombe  to a degree too where it's dominate the opposition in to submission. Not necessarily too bothered about giving the ball away themselves but spoil the opposition and get it back pronto.

There are managers who demand high intensity but earn the right to play 'good' football.

Not sure what the relevance is to the second part of your question.

Relegation is an occupational hazard but as McSheffrey and most of us concur, if we were to have a fully fit squad, it's probably unlikely we would be in this predicament, so whoever comes in and whatever style he's renowned for, it will come down to having enough players of the right standards that can lift the basics to a more consistent level.

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« Reply #7 on December 16, 2021, 04:58:48 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
With the appointment of a new manager. Would you rather have someone who plays football the ‘right way’ and it maybe led to relegation but a possible promotion the following year?.
Or would you take a ‘ long ball’ specialist who would maintain our league one status but the following year we are still struggling?.

Hypothetical I know as we could just as easily stay up with someone playing the ‘right way’ as a ‘long ball’ merchant.
Would you take back an ex manager ?. If a Saunders, Penney or O’Driscoll got it could you support it?.
Not sure what the right way is SCK 
Would you be happy with us playing like Rotherham and winning ( if we had the players to play that system )
Or what about Wycombe, very successful over the last 3/4 years under Ainsworth. Not pretty but effective.
Very niggly, looking to gain every advantage they can, time wasting at every opportunity.

Personally I could live with Paul Warne’s way of playing but not Gareth Ainsworth’s just horrible watching a team with those antics.
Rotherham are solid, direct and get loads of crosses into the box. Well isn’t that the objective, get balls into the mixer have 2/3 players wanting to get on the end of those crosses and score goals.
Yes please I will have some of that.
Our 2012/13 team did that with Copps and Cotterill out wide with Painter and Brown in the box.


Soz Camps. Very similar views.

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Re: What is more important
« Reply #8 on December 16, 2021, 05:39:40 pm by Pancho Regan »
Surely you recruit a coach to fit your playing squad.

I bloody hope not, we need somebody better than that.

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #9 on December 16, 2021, 06:40:18 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
For me it’s about adapting to what you have. There isn’t a right and wrong way. I would prefer a passing game though. Me personally if we have a choice of the two, reluctantly I would take a long term view with how we want to play, if the club is moving forward.

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« Reply #10 on December 16, 2021, 06:50:35 pm by Padge_DRFC »
Imagine playing long ball with Dodoo up front.

scawsby steve

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« Reply #11 on December 16, 2021, 06:53:10 pm by scawsby steve »
You have to be physical and direct to get out of this league. That's how we did it in 2012/13, and that's how Rotherham are doing it now.

It all depends now on who the next manager is, how he wants to play, and what kind of players he brings in.

DRFCSouth

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« Reply #12 on December 16, 2021, 08:09:08 pm by DRFCSouth »
Whatever keeps us up this season, whether its pretty or not. Beyond that, something resembling the football under SOD.

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« Reply #13 on December 16, 2021, 08:27:33 pm by normal rules »
We need a manager who is capable of identifying, very quickly, where our strengths are and equally our weaknesses.
And then has the ability, somehow to maximise our strengths and work on our weakness to get them eradicated.
And finally get some team spirit in the team. A pride to play for Doncaster rovers again. Being worthy to pull on the shirt.
I don’t think playing style comes into it, long ball, the o Driscoll way or whatever.
The team that got promotion in 12/13; Not a particularly special group of players. But they played as a unit. Together . With a solid spine running straight down the middle of the pitch from keeper to def, mid to striker.

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« Reply #14 on December 16, 2021, 08:43:45 pm by Jonathan »
I want to watch expansive football, but to succeed in this division you need a bit of steel too. Listening to Wellens I think he knew that, but he didn’t address it in the summer. In fairness to him I think he wanted to start at the back, which wasn't a bad plan, and he brought in RSW, Knoyle and Rowe (which on the face of it looked like decent signings) but with the exception of Rowe (who is better further forward) they underperformed.

Wellens thought (and the Board led him to believe) that he’d get more than one transfer windows to build a team and a squad. But the underperformance of key players he did sign, and an injury list that never seemed to get better, meant the results didn’t come and the pressure mounted.

In reality, no manager could get consistent results with what we’ve had available most of the season. It doesn’t matter who we appoint until more players become available.

But in answer to the question, I don’t see why we can’t aim to build a team that plays expansive football and has a bit of steel. That was the aim of the previous manager, and I’d like to think the next one will get the time and resource to deliver it.

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« Reply #15 on December 16, 2021, 10:11:50 pm by BigH »
Yes I would think so gaz and looking at our squad it’s set up to play a short passing game.
And score no goals

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #16 on December 16, 2021, 11:48:37 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
The Dean Saunders team as much as it wasn’t pretty, there was a togetherness, experience, a lot of ability. They were proper battle hardened men in a football arena. There was technical ability and the ability to dig in for results.

 

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