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redbrez

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Moving forward
« on March 07, 2022, 02:44:49 pm by redbrez »
Me personally I would like us to make a decision on next season whatever league we are in, looking very likley league 2.
My main gripe would be , I want us to have a plan in place with a couple of managers lined up who we would try and get instead of the process of manager recruitment,  yes we dropped on with mccann ,but we our only getting a choice of unemployed managers. If we wa t a style or philosophy of football how can we do  that by only having an option of unemployed managers. Your just more our less getting a lucky dip .

My other gripe would be stop relying on loans, I would say 3 maximum .or just to fill for injuries.

And I feel we have a pressure of playing some of our youth players , if there not good enough they shouldn't be playing , realistically if Horton greaves ect, leave what standard league would they play in

Not trying to be negative but constructive going forward.
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graingrover

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #1 on March 07, 2022, 03:48:24 pm by graingrover »
We should NOT ever imagine the drop to League 2 would mean we already have the squad to shoot us back up first time .Sure with Rowe and Close we are fortunate .We then have contracted players with experience of League two like Koyle and Williams .Nothing much else to warrant promotion fever .
« Last Edit: March 07, 2022, 03:59:29 pm by graingrover »

scawsby steve

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #2 on March 07, 2022, 07:19:14 pm by scawsby steve »
We should NOT ever imagine the drop to League 2 would mean we already have the squad to shoot us back up first time .Sure with Rowe and Close we are fortunate .We then have contracted players with experience of League two like Koyle and Williams .Nothing much else to warrant promotion fever .

Good points made there, Graing. However, I make it even worse than that; Close has been a disappointment, and I honestly think Knoyle and Williams are really poor.

Without strong recruitment in the Summer, I don't think there's a cat in hell's chance of us coming straight back up.

South East Rover

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #3 on March 07, 2022, 07:26:51 pm by South East Rover »
What about
Jonathan Mitchell
OllieYounger
Tom Anderson
Joseph Olowu
CharlieSeaman
CameronJohn
Jon Taylor
John Bostock
Fejiri Okenabirhie
Adam Clayton
DanGardner 
Plus your 4
All good players just need a goalscorer or two  :)

sedwardsdrfc

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #4 on March 07, 2022, 08:16:40 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
i don't think the squad is that bad for L2 if players can get fit. We need quality signings not quantity signings in the summer imo. The players we have look poor now but a huge amount of that is confidence

anton123

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #5 on March 08, 2022, 05:48:28 am by anton123 »
New manager for me , I can’t do a full season watching this garbage GM serves up .

BigH

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #6 on March 08, 2022, 06:07:11 am by BigH »
New manager for me , I can’t do a full season watching this garbage GM serves up .
I think you need to back off a bit. GM has had to take what was essentially a lower L2 outfit and try and fashion it into something that can compete in L1.

None of the long term injured are back.

We don't have the money of Newcastle.

He's had to try and build a team mid-season from left-overs. Any expectation that we'd be playing scintillating football, sweeping all before us and piling on the wins is deluded.

As far as I'm concerned, if he gets anywhere near 40 points, he'll have earned the chance to take the club into next season.

Chris Black come back

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #7 on March 08, 2022, 07:46:16 am by Chris Black come back »
Nobody can reasonably say anything other than the jury is out on him. Players are slowly coming back and he has had an influx of new signings, yet there has only been a very small improvement in performances. He’s clearly not a disaster but it’s hard to see much evidence of value being added. It would be a bold move to retain him in the summer without a serious discussion.

Sammy Chung was King

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #8 on March 08, 2022, 08:34:39 am by Sammy Chung was King »
He has turned it around enough for us to have a chance of staying up. How the season finishes dictates whether he manages us next season surely. To get out of this downturn standards need to be high. We’ve become professional losers this season.

anton123

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #9 on March 08, 2022, 08:35:48 am by anton123 »
New manager for me , I can’t do a full season watching this garbage GM serves up .
I think you need to back off a bit. GM has had to take what was essentially a lower L2 outfit and try and fashion it into something that can compete in L1.

None of the long term injured are back.

We don't have the money of Newcastle.

He's had to try and build a team mid-season from left-overs. Any expectation that we'd be playing scintillating football, sweeping all before us and piling on the wins is deluded.

As far as I'm concerned, if he gets anywhere near 40 points, he'll have earned the chance to take the club into next season.
Not expecting excellent football but would like better then we have been showing as we have not even looked LG 2 standard in any games since he took over , yes we have a few wins but go we was lucky as hell in most of the wins

Sammy Chung was King

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #10 on March 08, 2022, 08:45:05 am by Sammy Chung was King »
We could do with at least eight points from the next four games, to lift us a few places. The games are running out, the team needs to make its move to get out of those relegation places. With the games in hand of those around us, we could do with putting pressure on them to have to win those games.

Campsall rover

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #11 on March 08, 2022, 08:53:54 am by Campsall rover »
New manager for me , I can’t do a full season watching this garbage GM serves up .
I think you need to back off a bit. GM has had to take what was essentially a lower L2 outfit and try and fashion it into something that can compete in L1.

None of the long term injured are back.

We don't have the money of Newcastle.

He's had to try and build a team mid-season from left-overs. Any expectation that we'd be playing scintillating football, sweeping all before us and piling on the wins is deluded.

As far as I'm concerned, if he gets anywhere near 40 points, he'll have earned the chance to take the club into next season.
Not expecting excellent football but would like better then we have been showing as we have not even looked LG 2 standard in any games since he took over , yes we have a few wins but go we was lucky as hell in most of the wins
What about the ones we were unlucky in. Plymouth at home and Cambridge away for example.

He has done a pretty good job overall given the circumstances of where we were when he took the reigns.
Some of his selections as on Saturday have been strange and some of the substitutions also.

I think at the moment he is caught between trying to shore up the defence and having an attacking threat at the same time.
If we are going to stay in this league we need to win games the next few being crucial. He needs to play 2 strikers imo think that is obvious as a lone striker is getting isolated.

Let’s see what happens over the next 9 games and we can then make a sensible judgement on whether we think GM is the right man to lead us next season.


Canadian Rover

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #12 on March 08, 2022, 02:32:04 pm by Canadian Rover »
Looking at this from another viewpoint is that the players are over rated by us. Although I don’t truly believe what aim putting below its for an alternate against us basically walking league 2.
 
What about
Jonathan Mitchell 》 Hartlepools reserve keeper who has conceded 20 goals in just 9 league games.
OllieYounger 》promising defender that didn't break through at League 1 Sunderland. Lacks height for CB position but is a player of promise.
Tom Anderson 》 journeyman Centre half effected badly by injuries and hasn't been the same sice a concussion.
Joseph Olowu 》 promising centre back that's young but still have many mistakes and lacks concentration.
CharlieSeaman 》 injury prone player yet to make any impact in professional football. Needs to nail down a specialist position.
CameronJohn 》 promising centre back who was shifted unsuccessfully to LB injuries have held back his career (as have a high number of managers who haven't shown faith in him as a starting centre back)
Jon Taylor 》 pace, little goals for position , released by Rotherham and handed long term contract despite a lack of appearances due to injuries.
John Bostock 》once played for Tottenham (but didn't really) journeyman footballer who has played allover the world without ever finding a footballing home, silky smooth to no effect.
Fejiri Okenabirhie 》 Injury plagued may never see hime return?
Adam Clayton 》 lacking fitness and discipline this player is a journeyman L2 standard.
DanGardner  》 is at his best when kicking people or kicking the ball from the penalty spot. Released by Wigan and it shows why
Plus your 4
All good players just need a goalscorer or two  :)

Canadian Rover

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #13 on March 08, 2022, 02:32:40 pm by Canadian Rover »
Looking at this from another viewpoint is that the players are over rated by us. Although I don’t truly believe what I am putting below its for an alternate against us basically walking league 2.
 
What about
Jonathan Mitchell 》 Hartlepools reserve keeper who has conceded 20 goals in just 9 league games.
OllieYounger 》promising defender that didn't break through at League 1 Sunderland. Lacks height for CB position but is a player of promise.
Tom Anderson 》 journeyman Centre half effected badly by injuries and hasn't been the same sice a concussion.
Joseph Olowu 》 promising centre back that's young but still have many mistakes and lacks concentration.
CharlieSeaman 》 injury prone player yet to make any impact in professional football. Needs to nail down a specialist position.
CameronJohn 》 promising centre back who was shifted unsuccessfully to LB injuries have held back his career (as have a high number of managers who haven't shown faith in him as a starting centre back)
Jon Taylor 》 pace, little goals for position , released by Rotherham and handed long term contract despite a lack of appearances due to injuries.
John Bostock 》once played for Tottenham (but didn't really) journeyman footballer who has played allover the world without ever finding a footballing home, silky smooth to no effect.
Fejiri Okenabirhie 》 Injury plagued may never see hime return?
Adam Clayton 》 lacking fitness and discipline this player is a journeyman L2 standard.
DanGardner  》 is at his best when kicking people or kicking the ball from the penalty spot. Released by Wigan and it shows why
Plus your 4
All good players just need a goalscorer or two  :)

Alan Southstand

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #14 on March 08, 2022, 03:02:10 pm by Alan Southstand »
SE Rover named:

Jonathan Mitchell
OllieYounger
Tom Anderson
Joseph Olowu
CharlieSeaman
CameronJohn
Jon Taylor
John Bostock
Fejiri Okenabirhie
Adam Clayton
DanGardner 

However, there are questions hanging on the majority of those named!
Tom Anderson, Seaman, John, Taylor, Bostock, Fej and Gardner all have fitness and/or contract issues.

I believe we are nowhere near having a side to compete at L2. Standards have dropped alarmingly.

selby

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #15 on March 08, 2022, 03:21:34 pm by selby »
  The last thing we need for next season is a new different manager,who would take the club in a different direction, Gary and Frank know now what we need and who we don't need for next season whatever the division we are in.
  We are paying the the price now for exactly what you are advocating happening at the beginning of this season, and any new manager would only be as good as the players left for him, exactly the same as Wellens and Gary were and are.
  We need a big shake out of the playing staff, and only the decent players and those with a future here being kept and the best placed people to judge and do that job are at the club, not coming in cold again.

roversdude

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Re: Moving forward
« Reply #16 on March 08, 2022, 04:52:43 pm by roversdude »
We need some tough love during pre season to start with a squad that is fit for 90 plus minutes. No matter how good the player is without fitness they are not much use.
For whatever reason/s we have lacked fitness throughout this season. Hopefully the new sports science guy beasts them.

 

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