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If she did that they'd just laugh at her to be fair, especially Johnson.
Quote from: RedJ on July 06, 2018, 11:14:32 amIf she did that they'd just laugh at her to be fair, especially Johnson.In which case she should sack them and make it clear publicly why she has.She's supposed to be a leader. If she started acting like one she might, just might, actually achieve something. The way she's acting at the moment just lets everybody push her around and we all end up going nowhere except in circles.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on July 06, 2018, 11:29:12 amQuote from: RedJ on July 06, 2018, 11:14:32 amIf she did that they'd just laugh at her to be fair, especially Johnson.In which case she should sack them and make it clear publicly why she has.She's supposed to be a leader. If she started acting like one she might, just might, actually achieve something. The way she's acting at the moment just lets everybody push her around and we all end up going nowhere except in circles.Aye, she hasn't got the balls to do it.
The problem is that people voting for Brexit expected a grown up responsible negotiation about leaving not this circus.The result was immediately hijacked by idiots and hardliners putting words in people's mouths.
Great stuff. It's only taken us 2 f**king years to actually work out what our own position is. Now to get the EU to actually agree to it without the Tory government changing their minds again.
Quote from: MachoMadness on July 06, 2018, 09:16:40 pmGreat stuff. It's only taken us 2 f**king years to actually work out what our own position is. Now to get the EU to actually agree to it without the Tory government changing their minds again.Not even that unless one is a conservative voter. All this time for the Cons to agree to disagree & put lipstick on the pig.Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginningThe conservatives are not anywhere near settled on this, its window dressing and internal factions will be involved in heavy hand to hand fighting right up to the point they drive us off a cliff.This is way before the EU the ones with a royal flush.
Be interesting to see how this holds together. In the past, when shes agreed a sensible deal with one group, shes then gone to meet with the swivel-eyed loon backbenchers and told them a totally different story. Expect to see Rees-Mogg and Jenkin and Bone and the rest slavering at the mouth about betrayal of the Will of the People all through the weekend. And Id expect them to be on the phone to Johnson and Gove to talk about a leadership challenge.
Quote from: idler on July 06, 2018, 09:55:14 pmThe problem is that people voting for Brexit expected a grown up responsible negotiation about leaving not this circus.The result was immediately hijacked by idiots and hardliners putting words in people's mouths.You’re shitting me, right?You expected a grown up negotiation?When the people who brought you Brexit had said repeatedly during the campaign:1) There would be a £350m/week Brexit Bonus. 2) Turkey was about to join the EU and we’d be liable for 80m Turks landing on British shores if we didn’t leave. 3) There’d be no problem sorting out the Irish border problem. 4) The EU wouldn’t bargain hard against us because...well, because. 5) That the UK electorate was tired of listening to experts, and that experts who supported Remain were like 1930s German experts who supported Hitler. You HEARD them say these things repeatedly. You KNOW that they were bullshit and lies. You knew THEN that they were bullshit and lies. Why did you expect that the people who had bullshitted and lied to you would suddenly start negotiating like grown-ups?YOU voted us into this f**k up. You were being told at the time that the Brexit cheerleaders wouldn’t have a f**king clue what to do if they won. And still you voted for them. This is YOUR mess and the mess of everyone who ignored the grown ups two years ago. Don’t come complaining about it now.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 07, 2018, 12:48:55 amQuote from: idler on July 06, 2018, 09:55:14 pmThe problem is that people voting for Brexit expected a grown up responsible negotiation about leaving not this circus.The result was immediately hijacked by idiots and hardliners putting words in people's mouths.You’re shitting me, right?You expected a grown up negotiation?When the people who brought you Brexit had said repeatedly during the campaign:1) There would be a £350m/week Brexit Bonus. 2) Turkey was about to join the EU and we’d be liable for 80m Turks landing on British shores if we didn’t leave. 3) There’d be no problem sorting out the Irish border problem. 4) The EU wouldn’t bargain hard against us because...well, because. 5) That the UK electorate was tired of listening to experts, and that experts who supported Remain were like 1930s German experts who supported Hitler. You HEARD them say these things repeatedly. You KNOW that they were bullshit and lies. You knew THEN that they were bullshit and lies. Why did you expect that the people who had bullshitted and lied to you would suddenly start negotiating like grown-ups?YOU voted us into this f**k up. You were being told at the time that the Brexit cheerleaders wouldn’t have a f**king clue what to do if they won. And still you voted for them. This is YOUR mess and the mess of everyone who ignored the grown ups two years ago. Don’t come complaining about it now. I'm not complaining Billy but did expect some semblance of responsible diplomacy by the country's representatives. Cameron and Osborne were hardly the best face for remain.I was on the fence to an extent but resented being dragged ever nearer to a federal EU as seemed to be the way. I had a postal vote and when I cast my vote remain seemed very likely. At least I did vote unlike a lot of younger voters that then complained about the result.I didn't vote conservative but had to watch Thatcher decimate our industry. I didn't vote for Blair and the invasion of Iraq or their open door policy.If history proves me wrong so be it but reflecting on it won't change anything. We are where we are and I expect the people getting paid good wages and pensions to earn their money and get us the best deal possible.
I wasn’t meaning you Idler. Read it again.
I live in one of the 2 lowest gdp areas in the uk(Cornwall and isle of Scilly) guess what? Its leave central here, again in spite of the funding going on via the eu!?Its this I cant grasp as in Yorkshire, Teesside ect!? What do they want because it certainly wasn't to decimate their own back yards ??!Answers on a postcard in 20yrs time when the dust has settled