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Resentment will build against such as Barnier and the EU, who will be portrayed in the media as wanting to punish the British People for voting out in the first place, and that if we stay in we will just be a side show from now on, with France and Germany calling the shots. People will become more entrenched, and I do not think the remainers hope of another vote ( which I think we will not have ) will not be the open and shut case the remainers think it will be.
Yes I think you are right Selby. The Brexiteers will continue to refuse to take the blame for the consequences of their actions and continue to try and blame anyone else but themselves.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/20/brexiteers-betrayal-britain-america
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Quote from: wilts rover on July 21, 2018, 01:54:58 pmYes I think you are right Selby. The Brexiteers will continue to refuse to take the blame for the consequences of their actions and continue to try and blame anyone else but themselves.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/20/brexiteers-betrayal-britain-americaThe Guardian!
I lost interest when he got to quoting the size of speed bumps in Burnley🤔
Lets face it a very high proportion of those who voted leave did so purely based on immigration and half of those thick buggers dont know who the EU members are.
What you people do is alienate people, statements like thick buggers and all that. As for my fragile position Sydney, I voted to stay in along with the other sides silly buggers and mongs, there again I could always move to my place in Turkey and leave the squabble to sort it out. I like to view it as an investment opportunity thick bugger and fragile as I am. The day of the Brexit vote I lost probably two years of your income, it has been easy to get that, and more back since. some money people would like this to carry on for ever, they have made millions the thick buggers.
BST, where did I go wrong in accepting that the vote went against my decision and as a result, went in full support of the majority decision? Should I have said f**k democracy and demanded another vote? Should only Guardian readers have been allowed to vote? What is your view on democracy?
What the f**k are you on about?
BBThis isn’t about Left vs right. It’s about honesty vs misinformation. The Times and Telegraph are on the Right but I don’t treat them with the contempt I have for the Mail. Because their journalism is honest, even if I don’t agree with their conclusions. You know why I despise the Mail. I sent you a PM about it a few months ago. I’ll repeat it here for anyone who is interested. When you’ve seen their mendacity close up, it’s truly breathtaking. 3-4 years ago, the company that I run was involved in a major R&D project. The project involved 11 companies, universities and research institutes from across Europe: Italy, Germany, UK, Spain, Netherlands, UK, Greece, Sweden. The project was part-funded by the EU and was to do with improving aviation security. Basically, we were designing a liner to fit inside the hold of an aircraft so that if a bomb got through security, we could contain the effect of it and give the plane a better chance of surviving. The project was a great success. We designed a product that was lightweight, cost-effective, and worked. We got a lot of media attention. I was on TV explaining how it worked and showing some of the trials. We put out a press release which was faithfully reported by papers from (literally) Tokyo to Tehran to Tijuana. And then there was the Mail. They, alone of all the papers who reported the info in our press release, edited the information. What did they edit? They removed every mention of the work being a trans-Europe collaboration. They removed every mention of the work being part-funded by the EU. Their edit gave the impression that this was a UK-run and UK-funded project. That was disgusting. It was deliberately, wilfully and cynically misinforming and misleading their readers. I wrote a letter of complaint. They never answered it. THAT is why I hate that f**king rag. Because they have manipulated news like that for generations. I’ve seen it close up and it stinks. They are not an honest newspaper. They are a propaganda machine. The Guardian doesn’t do that. They make mistakes and they correct them. They have a political angle but they don’t deliberately misinform. You equating the two shows how far down the f**king rabbit hole we are.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 21, 2018, 09:14:44 pm BBThis isn’t about Left vs right. It’s about honesty vs misinformation. The Times and Telegraph are on the Right but I don’t treat them with the contempt I have for the Mail. Because their journalism is honest, even if I don’t agree with their conclusions. You know why I despise the Mail. I sent you a PM about it a few months ago. I’ll repeat it here for anyone who is interested. When you’ve seen their mendacity close up, it’s truly breathtaking. 3-4 years ago, the company that I run was involved in a major R&D project. The project involved 11 companies, universities and research institutes from across Europe: Italy, Germany, UK, Spain, Netherlands, UK, Greece, Sweden. The project was part-funded by the EU and was to do with improving aviation security. Basically, we were designing a liner to fit inside the hold of an aircraft so that if a bomb got through security, we could contain the effect of it and give the plane a better chance of surviving. The project was a great success. We designed a product that was lightweight, cost-effective, and worked. We got a lot of media attention. I was on TV explaining how it worked and showing some of the trials. We put out a press release which was faithfully reported by papers from (literally) Tokyo to Tehran to Tijuana. And then there was the Mail. They, alone of all the papers who reported the info in our press release, edited the information. What did they edit? They removed every mention of the work being a trans-Europe collaboration. They removed every mention of the work being part-funded by the EU. Their edit gave the impression that this was a UK-run and UK-funded project. That was disgusting. It was deliberately, wilfully and cynically misinforming and misleading their readers. I wrote a letter of complaint. They never answered it. THAT is why I hate that f**king rag. Because they have manipulated news like that for generations. I’ve seen it close up and it stinks. They are not an honest newspaper. They are a propaganda machine. The Guardian doesn’t do that. They make mistakes and they correct them. They have a political angle but they don’t deliberately misinform. You equating the two shows how far down the f**king rabbit hole we are. It really is a sad indictment of the way our " supposed " free and balanced press has become . I'm not sure that as bad as this newspaper is and has been over the years, that it has come close to The Daily Express. ( or the now defunct News of The World ) .I think though it's not just the lack of balance and in many cases the downright lies and exaggerations but the glaring omissions that probably annoy me the most. Where are the articles on the positives that the EU, and the Common Market before it, have brought to people's lives ? - there are glaring and deliberate holes in the UK - EU story . That, as BST has already stated, has occurred over 40 + years the drip, drip ,drip of negative press has helped to drive that wedge between our people and the concept There was and is so much more information that could have been provided by this and the other rag. Whilst I am typing this I'm surrounded by paperwork prepared by my daughter , her " selvforsørgelseserklaering " documentation in readiness for her year of further studies in Denmark. Erasmus + docs have been prepared to help widen her scope of the world all round the country other daring British youngsters will also be preparing their docs to travel/study in Europe and the World . The constant " pinging " from her phone as she learns Danish not only reminds me that she will leaving home for 9- 12 months but has even prompted me to join her in her language studies rather than complain about it . Danish is a devil to get your head around - I wished I had started 6 months ago !Study abroad or Erasmus + in this case has barely had a mention for years yet why there hasn't been any news of this programme when '000s of our youngsters benefit from it each and every year ? That , like the above ( BST's experience ) is obvious - it has positive benefits for our citizens and for our workforce as these youngsters feed back into our society and to accentuate that positive would be anathema to the Daily Mail . Yes they get an EU support grant but that money produces more rounded British and Europeans citizens that for many from disadvantaged backgrounds throughout the continent would never have been possible in the past. The contacts that are made for future potential joint projects and a means to encourage the brightest from the continent to study at our unis are all to obvious. My fear is that she could be forced to come home early next year. My fear is that as we turn in on ourselves we narrow the opportunities for future generations .That for many is a reality in an increasingly globalised world. However for us as a country " going global " - entails being increasingly isolationist in outlook. The real sucker punch is that the EU has already beaten us to all those trade deals - if they tick off the USA we are " dead " in the water - the even more left behinds. Who to blame then ?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on July 22, 2018, 01:13:02 amWhat the f**k are you on about?What does that mean ? Everyone on here knows that you understand perfectly well " what the f**k " BST was referring to
Quote from: hoolahoop on July 22, 2018, 06:35:20 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on July 22, 2018, 01:13:02 amWhat the f**k are you on about?What does that mean ? Everyone on here knows that you understand perfectly well " what the f**k " BST was referring to What? Who? I don't understand.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on July 22, 2018, 09:33:33 amQuote from: hoolahoop on July 22, 2018, 06:35:20 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on July 22, 2018, 01:13:02 amWhat the f**k are you on about?What does that mean ? Everyone on here knows that you understand perfectly well " what the f**k " BST was referring to What? Who? I don't understand.Yes we know. You not understanding is your default reply.