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Hoola, I don't know anybody who is against immigrants coming into the country to work and not rip the system off. Not wanting immigrants who are here to rip the system off isn't racism. The same people don't want British people ripping the system off either.In my humble, and unqualified opinion, I reckon that's the main reason why the vote went tits up.
I voted remain because of the risk involved in leaving because it meant going into unknown territory. It's still unknown territory as far as I know, but the negativity of other remain voters seems to be relentless.I wonder if that negativity is actually making matters worse?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on November 06, 2017, 11:36:59 amI voted remain because of the risk involved in leaving because it meant going into unknown territory. It's still unknown territory as far as I know, but the negativity of other remain voters seems to be relentless.I wonder if that negativity is actually making matters worse?Pleased you had the common senseYes huge risks for little returnIt should be No its not as the experts ( not the Far Right ) know.
Donning the old tinfoil hat, I wonder if the latest bout of leaks surrounding offshore tax havens sheds any light as to why certain very wealthy, influential figures ploughed so much into the Leave campaign, considering the EU's talk of clamping down on tax havens?
Quote from: hoolahoop on November 07, 2017, 05:22:07 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on November 06, 2017, 11:36:59 amI voted remain because of the risk involved in leaving because it meant going into unknown territory. It's still unknown territory as far as I know, but the negativity of other remain voters seems to be relentless.I wonder if that negativity is actually making matters worse?Pleased you had the common senseYes huge risks for little returnIt should be No its not as the experts ( not the Far Right ) know.With risk comes potential - granted it's not being managed well to unleash potential but it's there.
Quote from: MachoMadness on November 06, 2017, 09:24:13 pmDonning the old tinfoil hat, I wonder if the latest bout of leaks surrounding offshore tax havens sheds any light as to why certain very wealthy, influential figures ploughed so much into the Leave campaign, considering the EU's talk of clamping down on tax havens?Of course it was always to do with protecting themselves . Fortunes were pouring into various " Leave " campaigns , even from the DUP to be used in English papers .
Idler Good post until the final sentence. Have a look at page 5 here. https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/4y1e1sdlwa/InternalResults_171024_VI.pdf30% of the electorate, 52% of Tory supporters and 58% of Leave voters think that if we have a Hard Brexit without an agreement on our future relationship with the EU, it will either have no consequence or it will be a good/very good thing. Oh aye, and Liam Fox said last week that it wouldn't be a disaster if we left without a deal. And May keeps parroting that line that No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal. As things currently stand, there is a very real, and increasing chance that we WILL leave without an agreement. Because, as I posted back up the thread, the Tories cannot agree to the EU terms in the three pre-requisites (money we owe, Irish border and the status of UK-based EU citizens) without tearing themselves apart. I hope I'm wrong, but there's nothing happened in the last 16 months to suggest that we are anywhere near sorting those things out. And even if we did so tomorrow, we only have 6-8 months left to sort out all the very complex details about what our future relationship with the EU will be. Finally, there was a massive problem raised last week, which has had virtually no news coverage. Both May and Corbyn say that they want us out of the Single Market, but with tariff-free access to it. But the EU has just signed trade deals with Canada and S Korea, which include the undertaking that the EU will not sign a trade deal with any other non-Single Market country that gives that country a better deal than Canada and S Korea have got. But they haven't got tariff-free access so we can't. So, at best, any deal we get will involve tariffs on a huge proportion of our imports and exports. Which really WOULD be a major problem.
BFYPAye. If you jump off a cliff, you might find you have the potential to fly.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on November 07, 2017, 05:28:39 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on November 07, 2017, 05:22:07 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on November 06, 2017, 11:36:59 amI voted remain because of the risk involved in leaving because it meant going into unknown territory. It's still unknown territory as far as I know, but the negativity of other remain voters seems to be relentless.I wonder if that negativity is actually making matters worse?Pleased you had the common senseYes huge risks for little returnIt should be No its not as the experts ( not the Far Right ) know.With risk comes potential - granted it's not being managed well to unleash potential but it's there.You don't take huge risks from a point of weakness - surely an Accountant would never advise that . Virtually all our Services are over- stretched because of lack of funding, our national debt has almost reached £ 2 trillion and counting. We have few natural resources and a non- productive industrial Base at its weakest for aeons why would you take risks bfyp ?
Quote from: hoolahoop on November 07, 2017, 05:35:45 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on November 06, 2017, 09:24:13 pmDonning the old tinfoil hat, I wonder if the latest bout of leaks surrounding offshore tax havens sheds any light as to why certain very wealthy, influential figures ploughed so much into the Leave campaign, considering the EU's talk of clamping down on tax havens?Of course it was always to do with protecting themselves . Fortunes were pouring into various " Leave " campaigns , even from the DUP to be used in English papers . It wasn't from the DUP, it was through the DUP. ie laundered to deliberately avoid the spending rules in the rest of the UK.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 07, 2017, 06:38:55 pmBFYPAye. If you jump off a cliff, you might find you have the potential to fly. Someone had to try it once...
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 07, 2017, 06:40:16 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on November 07, 2017, 05:35:45 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on November 06, 2017, 09:24:13 pmDonning the old tinfoil hat, I wonder if the latest bout of leaks surrounding offshore tax havens sheds any light as to why certain very wealthy, influential figures ploughed so much into the Leave campaign, considering the EU's talk of clamping down on tax havens?Of course it was always to do with protecting themselves . Fortunes were pouring into various " Leave " campaigns , even from the DUP to be used in English papers . It wasn't from the DUP, it was through the DUP. ie laundered to deliberately avoid the spending rules in the rest of the UK.Of course it was and the source of the money .....Russia ?
Quote from: hoolahoop on November 08, 2017, 10:04:09 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 07, 2017, 06:40:16 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on November 07, 2017, 05:35:45 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on November 06, 2017, 09:24:13 pmDonning the old tinfoil hat, I wonder if the latest bout of leaks surrounding offshore tax havens sheds any light as to why certain very wealthy, influential figures ploughed so much into the Leave campaign, considering the EU's talk of clamping down on tax havens?Of course it was always to do with protecting themselves . Fortunes were pouring into various " Leave " campaigns , even from the DUP to be used in English papers . It wasn't from the DUP, it was through the DUP. ie laundered to deliberately avoid the spending rules in the rest of the UK.Of course it was and the source of the money .....Russia ?It's not what I've heard. It was more the rich home-grown Brexiteers who don't want their finances scrutinised very much.
While we're talking about Putin bankrolling politicians who want to weaken the UK...https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41934399