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And yet, people don't seem to be absolutely livid that they've been completely deceived...
Meanwhile, back on the Irish QuestionLook, there are only 5 options1. A hard border between the North and South.2. A hard border between the North and the UK.3. A technology border between the North and South4. No border between the North and South, just turn a blind eye to everything5. The UK stays in the Customs Union and Single MarketCome on Leaver Negotiators, it can't be that hard. Pick one. I can't understand why this is taking so long, I mean, what could possibly go wrong with any of those options?...............
Steve, I think that most detractors would say that at times over the years it has been corrupt,dysfunctional and unwieldy rather than evil.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on April 05, 2018, 07:40:39 pmMeanwhile, back on the Irish QuestionLook, there are only 5 options1. A hard border between the North and South.2. A hard border between the North and the UK.3. A technology border between the North and South4. No border between the North and South, just turn a blind eye to everything5. The UK stays in the Customs Union and Single MarketCome on Leaver Negotiators, it can't be that hard. Pick one. I can't understand why this is taking so long, I mean, what could possibly go wrong with any of those options?............... (1) Impossible as breaches the Good Friday Agreement.(2) Unacrceptable to both the UK and especially the DUP - breaches red lines(3) Unworkable - in practise breaches WTO Regulations .(4) Unworkable - again breaches WTO rules and encourages smuggling , gunmen and a return to pre GFA days. (5) Workable - and the existing system - financially in the interests of all parties. ONLY (5) works but we have made it clear we no longer want to be in hock to the evil empire that is the ECJ.
Quote from: hoolahoop on April 06, 2018, 01:25:47 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 05, 2018, 07:40:39 pmMeanwhile, back on the Irish QuestionLook, there are only 5 options1. A hard border between the North and South.2. A hard border between the North and the UK.3. A technology border between the North and South4. No border between the North and South, just turn a blind eye to everything5. The UK stays in the Customs Union and Single MarketCome on Leaver Negotiators, it can't be that hard. Pick one. I can't understand why this is taking so long, I mean, what could possibly go wrong with any of those options?............... (1) Impossible as breaches the Good Friday Agreement.(2) Unacrceptable to both the UK and especially the DUP - breaches red lines(3) Unworkable - in practise breaches WTO Regulations .(4) Unworkable - again breaches WTO rules and encourages smuggling , gunmen and a return to pre GFA days. (5) Workable - and the existing system - financially in the interests of all parties. ONLY (5) works but we have made it clear we no longer want to be in hock to the evil empire that is the ECJ. We better get a move on before you have a heart attack
Quote from: Sprotyrover on April 06, 2018, 04:24:44 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on April 06, 2018, 01:25:47 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 05, 2018, 07:40:39 pmMeanwhile, back on the Irish QuestionLook, there are only 5 options1. A hard border between the North and South.2. A hard border between the North and the UK.3. A technology border between the North and South4. No border between the North and South, just turn a blind eye to everything5. The UK stays in the Customs Union and Single MarketCome on Leaver Negotiators, it can't be that hard. Pick one. I can't understand why this is taking so long, I mean, what could possibly go wrong with any of those options?............... (1) Impossible as breaches the Good Friday Agreement.(2) Unacrceptable to both the UK and especially the DUP - breaches red lines(3) Unworkable - in practise breaches WTO Regulations .(4) Unworkable - again breaches WTO rules and encourages smuggling , gunmen and a return to pre GFA days. (5) Workable - and the existing system - financially in the interests of all parties. ONLY (5) works but we have made it clear we no longer want to be in hock to the evil empire that is the ECJ. We better get a move on before you have a heart attack So which option would YOU choose Sproty? And how would YOU make it work? If we can't come to an agreement with the EU and we end up with a hard BREXIT we've still go to pick one of those options - and somehow make it work....
Quote from: Not Now Kato on April 06, 2018, 04:57:45 pmQuote from: Sprotyrover on April 06, 2018, 04:24:44 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on April 06, 2018, 01:25:47 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 05, 2018, 07:40:39 pmMeanwhile, back on the Irish QuestionLook, there are only 5 options1. A hard border between the North and South.2. A hard border between the North and the UK.3. A technology border between the North and South4. No border between the North and South, just turn a blind eye to everything5. The UK stays in the Customs Union and Single MarketCome on Leaver Negotiators, it can't be that hard. Pick one. I can't understand why this is taking so long, I mean, what could possibly go wrong with any of those options?............... (1) Impossible as breaches the Good Friday Agreement.(2) Unacrceptable to both the UK and especially the DUP - breaches red lines(3) Unworkable - in practise breaches WTO Regulations .(4) Unworkable - again breaches WTO rules and encourages smuggling , gunmen and a return to pre GFA days. (5) Workable - and the existing system - financially in the interests of all parties. ONLY (5) works but we have made it clear we no longer want to be in hock to the evil empire that is the ECJ. We better get a move on before you have a heart attack So which option would YOU choose Sproty? And how would YOU make it work? If we can't come to an agreement with the EU and we end up with a hard BREXIT we've still go to pick one of those options - and somehow make it work....Where there is no way we will make one! (Hannibal at the foot of the Alps)
Quote from: Sprotyrover on April 06, 2018, 05:26:03 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 06, 2018, 04:57:45 pmQuote from: Sprotyrover on April 06, 2018, 04:24:44 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on April 06, 2018, 01:25:47 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 05, 2018, 07:40:39 pmMeanwhile, back on the Irish QuestionLook, there are only 5 options1. A hard border between the North and South.2. A hard border between the North and the UK.3. A technology border between the North and South4. No border between the North and South, just turn a blind eye to everything5. The UK stays in the Customs Union and Single MarketCome on Leaver Negotiators, it can't be that hard. Pick one. I can't understand why this is taking so long, I mean, what could possibly go wrong with any of those options?............... (1) Impossible as breaches the Good Friday Agreement.(2) Unacrceptable to both the UK and especially the DUP - breaches red lines(3) Unworkable - in practise breaches WTO Regulations .(4) Unworkable - again breaches WTO rules and encourages smuggling , gunmen and a return to pre GFA days. (5) Workable - and the existing system - financially in the interests of all parties. ONLY (5) works but we have made it clear we no longer want to be in hock to the evil empire that is the ECJ. We better get a move on before you have a heart attack So which option would YOU choose Sproty? And how would YOU make it work? If we can't come to an agreement with the EU and we end up with a hard BREXIT we've still go to pick one of those options - and somehow make it work....Where there is no way we will make one! (Hannibal at the foot of the Alps)Genius! Let’s get exports over the Irish border on battle-hardened elephants! Anybody got Boris’s phone number?
Quote from: Sprotyrover on April 06, 2018, 04:24:44 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on April 06, 2018, 01:25:47 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 05, 2018, 07:40:39 pmMeanwhile, back on the Irish QuestionLook, there are only 5 options1. A hard border between the North and South.2. A hard border between the North and the UK.3. A technology border between the North and South4. No border between the North and South, just turn a blind eye to everything5. The UK stays in the Customs Union and Single MarketCome on Leaver Negotiators, it can't be that hard. Pick one. I can't understand why this is taking so long, I mean, what could possibly go wrong with any of those options?............... (1) Impossible as breaches the Good Friday Agreement.(2) Unacrceptable to both the UK and especially the DUP - breaches red lines(3) Unworkable - in practise breaches WTO Regulations .(4) Unworkable - again breaches WTO rules and encourages smuggling , gunmen and a return to pre GFA days. (5) Workable - and the existing system - financially in the interests of all parties. ONLY (5) works but we have made it clear we no longer want to be in hock to the evil empire that is the ECJ. We better get a move on before you have a heart attackChilled fella don't worry - have a lot invested in all this with my 20 year old going away for a year with a view to living and working in the EU . I just don't want her to be one of the millions ( 5, 000,000 ) whose lives will be made difficult because they work here or we work there. The cost of flights will go up , travel insurance will go up ( EHIC cards no longer valid ) and of course adverse currency fluctuations have not been to the benefit of our citizens finally there's the spectre of visas potentially. Incidentally 80 % of our people living and working in the 27 are of working age contrary to the impression given that they are all retired. There's a veritable shitstorm looming and soon we will be dragged into the eye of it . Sproty you sound like some old git that believes nothing will change and we will all be singing " Rule Britannia " in Dr. Liam Fox's choir . Please tell me you don't think like that as im still waiting for you to tell us all about the Brexit " dividend " - you know the reality of all that is going to be well in post- Brexit Britain ?
Quote from: hoolahoop on April 06, 2018, 06:31:22 pmQuote from: Sprotyrover on April 06, 2018, 04:24:44 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on April 06, 2018, 01:25:47 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on April 05, 2018, 07:40:39 pmMeanwhile, back on the Irish QuestionLook, there are only 5 options1. A hard border between the North and South.2. A hard border between the North and the UK.3. A technology border between the North and South4. No border between the North and South, just turn a blind eye to everything5. The UK stays in the Customs Union and Single MarketCome on Leaver Negotiators, it can't be that hard. Pick one. I can't understand why this is taking so long, I mean, what could possibly go wrong with any of those options?............... (1) Impossible as breaches the Good Friday Agreement.(2) Unacrceptable to both the UK and especially the DUP - breaches red lines(3) Unworkable - in practise breaches WTO Regulations .(4) Unworkable - again breaches WTO rules and encourages smuggling , gunmen and a return to pre GFA days. (5) Workable - and the existing system - financially in the interests of all parties. ONLY (5) works but we have made it clear we no longer want to be in hock to the evil empire that is the ECJ. We better get a move on before you have a heart attackChilled fella don't worry - have a lot invested in all this with my 20 year old going away for a year with a view to living and working in the EU . I just don't want her to be one of the millions ( 5, 000,000 ) whose lives will be made difficult because they work here or we work there. The cost of flights will go up , travel insurance will go up ( EHIC cards no longer valid ) and of course adverse currency fluctuations have not been to the benefit of our citizens finally there's the spectre of visas potentially. Incidentally 80 % of our people living and working in the 27 are of working age contrary to the impression given that they are all retired. There's a veritable shitstorm looming and soon we will be dragged into the eye of it . Sproty you sound like some old git that believes nothing will change and we will all be singing " Rule Britannia " in Dr. Liam Fox's choir . Please tell me you don't think like that as im still waiting for you to tell us all about the Brexit " dividend " - you know the reality of all that is going to be well in post- Brexit Britain ? HoolaHow does your mind work, I am willing to chance the jump off of beach head for the long term protection of my country, I don't care about the short term economic hit, mark my words in 10 years time there will be extreme Govt sin Italy Germany and France , because they can't Secure the southern border. We will be far better off and I don't give a dam if we have another million migrants in the country, they will be the ones we want, not the ones dumped on us by failed Policies in other Eu states.You on the other hand a totally against change , you are deeply entrenched in your Luddite beliefs that this Brexit will end in distater and as you freely admit your own self interest.
Who are the migrants we want? The ones propping up the NHS, who are currently f**king off in high numbers? What about the ones who work in the fields, propping up the farming industry? Who's going to replace them?By the way, it's been pointed out many times that we CAN refuse immigrants if we want to. Any EU state can refuse anyone right of residence if we deem them to be a burden on the member state. Look it up - its written down in EU law and everything! We're already letting in the ones we want. So why are we jumping off the beachhead again?
Am I right in saying that the UK refuses only a tiny fraction of EU nationals who want to come here because it has to have very good grounds to do so, and in the case of criminality, for example, a conviction even for a serious crime is not good enough unless the individual poses a current risk?
"For stays of over three months: the right of residence is subject to certain conditions. EU citizens and their family members — if not working — must have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. Union citizens do not need residence permits, although Member States may require them to register with the authorities. Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit, valid for the duration of their stay or a five-year period."