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Will of the people only matters when it suits.
Quote from: RedJ on August 19, 2018, 01:50:52 pmWill of the people only matters when it suits.Yes it has many lying, scheming faces .76 pages and still we await The answer to the question - How will we benefit from Brexit ? ( backed up with supporting evidence ) and a planBut at least we are inexorably moving in the right direction Hoola."We’re already campaigning as if we’re having a second referendum – why not see it through?"
Is it just me or do other members feel that Dominic RAABs No Deal announcement today is a catalyst to ensure there is something positive agreed at next weeks Brussels meeting.
I like the one for Northern Ireland. The official UK government advice for their citizens in NI in the event of no-deal Brexit is....go ask Dublin what you should do!!!!If anyone wanted any clearer indication that this government hasn't got a clue what to do, there it is. Resign now the lot of you.
Quote from: Sprotyrover on August 23, 2018, 01:09:16 pmIs it just me or do other members feel that Dominic RAABs No Deal announcement today is a catalyst to ensure there is something positive agreed at next weeks Brussels meeting.No. Because the terms of exit from the EU were laid out right from the start and non-negotiable. The 'negotiations' are all about life after Brexit and the EU don't owe us anything. And as for 'they need a deal just as much as we need one', that just isn't true.
Quote from: hoolahoop on August 18, 2018, 10:09:56 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 17, 2018, 12:09:26 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on August 17, 2018, 08:22:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 14, 2018, 02:20:42 pmhttps://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/These are all worth a listen O' Brien although he does talk a little too much does deal in facts not opinion and forces his callers to back up their opinions with not only reasoned logic but fact - he doesn't suffer fools gladlyHave you heard the one with the International Trade expert? It's enough to make you shit your pants when he lays it all out as it really is and not how the Brexiteers fantasise it is.Yeah heard that one Gluyn but can't help thinking that James O' Brien's voice is one on a wilderness of oncoming dystopia. The voices for Remain simply arent cutting through despite the fact that they are on the right side of the argument.JRM, Farage etc seem to have a platform to fend off any logical argument against Brexit and are using it via the MSM, the BBC, Sky News, Fox, RT etc. They have them ALL in their pocket - witness just the lack of any comment from Leavers on this forum alone to not only the phone- in above but all the facts , arguments etc that have posted on this thread .There is NOT one agreement , anywhere from any of the Leavers following this thread that they might just be wrong on anything at all . It's beyond sad.I hope O'Brien gets that bloke in the studio like he wants, answering caller's questions, for a full programme. That'll be something worth listening to, especially if he squashes a lot of the mythology around Brexit.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 17, 2018, 12:09:26 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on August 17, 2018, 08:22:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 14, 2018, 02:20:42 pmhttps://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/These are all worth a listen O' Brien although he does talk a little too much does deal in facts not opinion and forces his callers to back up their opinions with not only reasoned logic but fact - he doesn't suffer fools gladlyHave you heard the one with the International Trade expert? It's enough to make you shit your pants when he lays it all out as it really is and not how the Brexiteers fantasise it is.Yeah heard that one Gluyn but can't help thinking that James O' Brien's voice is one on a wilderness of oncoming dystopia. The voices for Remain simply arent cutting through despite the fact that they are on the right side of the argument.JRM, Farage etc seem to have a platform to fend off any logical argument against Brexit and are using it via the MSM, the BBC, Sky News, Fox, RT etc. They have them ALL in their pocket - witness just the lack of any comment from Leavers on this forum alone to not only the phone- in above but all the facts , arguments etc that have posted on this thread .There is NOT one agreement , anywhere from any of the Leavers following this thread that they might just be wrong on anything at all . It's beyond sad.
Quote from: hoolahoop on August 17, 2018, 08:22:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 14, 2018, 02:20:42 pmhttps://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/These are all worth a listen O' Brien although he does talk a little too much does deal in facts not opinion and forces his callers to back up their opinions with not only reasoned logic but fact - he doesn't suffer fools gladlyHave you heard the one with the International Trade expert? It's enough to make you shit your pants when he lays it all out as it really is and not how the Brexiteers fantasise it is.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 14, 2018, 02:20:42 pmhttps://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/These are all worth a listen O' Brien although he does talk a little too much does deal in facts not opinion and forces his callers to back up their opinions with not only reasoned logic but fact - he doesn't suffer fools gladly
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 18, 2018, 11:16:17 amQuote from: hoolahoop on August 18, 2018, 10:09:56 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 17, 2018, 12:09:26 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on August 17, 2018, 08:22:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 14, 2018, 02:20:42 pmhttps://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/These are all worth a listen O' Brien although he does talk a little too much does deal in facts not opinion and forces his callers to back up their opinions with not only reasoned logic but fact - he doesn't suffer fools gladlyHave you heard the one with the International Trade expert? It's enough to make you shit your pants when he lays it all out as it really is and not how the Brexiteers fantasise it is.Yeah heard that one Gluyn but can't help thinking that James O' Brien's voice is one on a wilderness of oncoming dystopia. The voices for Remain simply arent cutting through despite the fact that they are on the right side of the argument.JRM, Farage etc seem to have a platform to fend off any logical argument against Brexit and are using it via the MSM, the BBC, Sky News, Fox, RT etc. They have them ALL in their pocket - witness just the lack of any comment from Leavers on this forum alone to not only the phone- in above but all the facts , arguments etc that have posted on this thread .There is NOT one agreement , anywhere from any of the Leavers following this thread that they might just be wrong on anything at all . It's beyond sad.I hope O'Brien gets that bloke in the studio like he wants, answering caller's questions, for a full programme. That'll be something worth listening to, especially if he squashes a lot of the mythology around Brexit.Jason Hunter again, this time educating one of Brexit's 'experts'.https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1032919155882778625And the most illuminating part of it is the three seconds of dead air when the Brexit 'expert' realises he's just had his ignorance shown up in neon lights and he's got no reply to it. And then has to resort to the usual slogans by default.Mind you, with 'experts' like their own, it's no wonder Brexiters don't trust any at all.
No deal wont happen, there are enough Tory MP's determined to prevent it.https://www.ft.com/content/89982810-a773-11e8-8ecf-a7ae1beff35bAs to what will happen - it should keep us going for another 70 pages I reckon.
Well. The Brexiteers are finally, after two years, coming up with a solution to the Irish Border issue.The Minister for the 18th Century thinks we could go back to the arrangements we had during the Troubles. Genius!https://twitter.com/stephen_rth/status/1033033628303941638
Sproty.The rest of the discussion is meaningless. Just concentrate on what the Brexiteer-in-Chief, Rees-Mogg says. Look at the ridiculousness of the content of what he says the post-Brexit situation will be. There is nothing sensible in anything he ever says. His usual approach is a content-free "It'll be fine". Now we know why. Because when he suggests something concrete, it is utterly shambolic.Point out to me anything that any Brexiteer has ever said in detail about why Brexit will work out well for us.
Ah so it's okay to quote the Guardian when it suits your point of view but otherwise it's biased?