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We are special. We are better than the feckless, bone-idle, cheating wasters over the Channel, and when we threaten to leave, they'll shite it and give us whatever deal we want.We are better than a bunch of arrogant square heads backed up by their garlic munching, turn coat friends and numerous tin pot, beetroot soup swigging no-hopers.
HAOk. I'll take the Galileo issue as a piece of hard bargaining. As far as stopping us negotiating independently with other countries, maybe the EU were doing us a favour...https://mobile.twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1067433184130809859?s=19
I really do not understand the constant squealing coming from those that want to resign their membership of the club but still want to buy cheap beer over the bar and have their kids go to the xmas party.
Quote from: SydneyRover on November 28, 2018, 01:23:04 amI really do not understand the constant squealing coming from those that want to resign their membership of the club but still want to buy cheap beer over the bar and have their kids go to the xmas party.Sydney, Who’s squealing? I’m merely trying to point out that the EU isn’t the glorious utopia that you, and others, are claiming it is! Using your Club analogy, I’m all for a club where we enjoy ‘cheap beer’ but I don’t want to be part of a club that tells me what to drink and how much.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on November 28, 2018, 03:51:16 amQuote from: SydneyRover on November 28, 2018, 01:23:04 amI really do not understand the constant squealing coming from those that want to resign their membership of the club but still want to buy cheap beer over the bar and have their kids go to the xmas party.Sydney, Who’s squealing? I’m merely trying to point out that the EU isn’t the glorious utopia that you, and others, are claiming it is! Using your Club analogy, I’m all for a club where we enjoy ‘cheap beer’ but I don’t want to be part of a club that tells me what to drink and how much.Well I think you're going to have to give up the cheap beer bit as well, because as the gdp continues to plummet in comparison to other countries that retain their membership the money will have to come from somewhere. Austerity has only worked for those able to enjoy generous tax cuts and I don't see any other plans plans except some vague notion of dealing with the ''free world'' because the deal being offered pleases no one. How are this governments best negotiators going to get these better trade deals when after two years they are still at first base with brexit. And why have they been unable to get a deal from the EU that is considered a good deal? the answer is easy, think about it for a minute and have us swap places with any of the other 27 countries, if the shoe, boot or clog was on the other foot would we let another country cash in their membership and still be happy for them to get cheap beer and let their kids go to the xmas party?
That is shocking reporting by the BBC. Totally misrepresents the facts. The forecast is NOT that No Deal leaves us £150bn worse off after 15 years. It is that GDP will be £150bn lower. The BBC article suggests that we would lose £150bn of wealth. Full stop. But the figures say we would, by that time, be losing £150bn EVERY YEAR!That is the entire NHS and Defence budgets. Gone. Permanently. Absolute f**king stupidity to even countenance a situation like that, never mind actively want it.
Would a different PM or Party have been able to achieve better?
Quote from: drfchound on November 28, 2018, 12:00:44 pmWould a different PM or Party have been able to achieve better?I don't think anyone would, because there is no better economic plan than staying in the largest trading bloc in the world FFS!The state of politics is disgusting; no-one in Government dares speak the truth and admit staying in the EU is the best option because they are scared they will lose their seat in the next election. We're talking about the FACT we will lose billions a year for the next decade (at least), all for the potential to do trading deals with other countries (which no-one wants to name yet?) and we'll be able to stop a few thousand european immigrants moving here. It's a f**king shit show.
At last, someone who agrees with me and isn’t afraid to say so.It isn’t just the government that is disgusting though bjw is it, it is all parties.
Quote from: drfchound on November 28, 2018, 12:36:10 pmAt last, someone who agrees with me and isn’t afraid to say so.It isn’t just the government that is disgusting though bjw is it, it is all parties.It's frustrating that Labour haven't backed remain or the people's vote yet (although some individual MP's have); again because certain politicians are looking after themselves first. I won't include JC in that because he is actually sticking to the same story he's had for decades, although he should at least come out and admit leaving now is a bad idea.
But.This is all far from over.There's little chance of May getting the deal through Parliament. She's insisting that if she doesn't, the only alternative is a No Deal Brexit. That will not happen. The Tory party is already making plans for what to do when she is humiliated in the Parliamentary vote in a fortnight. The whispers at the moment are that they will knife her, put the process on hold and have a second referendum.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 28, 2018, 03:05:13 pmBut.This is all far from over.There's little chance of May getting the deal through Parliament. She's insisting that if she doesn't, the only alternative is a No Deal Brexit. That will not happen. The Tory party is already making plans for what to do when she is humiliated in the Parliamentary vote in a fortnight. The whispers at the moment are that they will knife her, put the process on hold and have a second referendum...........and it isn’t so long ago that I was being told by someone on here that there was no chance of a second referendum.
The point is that it is now unarguable that the Leave case in 2016 was utter nonsense. We were told that we could have all the benefits of trade with the EU and none of the disadvantages. We were told that the EU would be pleading with us to cut a deal. We were told that we would be better off outside. That was the central theme of the Leave campaign. And every single bit of it is now demonstrably wrong. Anyone who says that there is no case for revisiting the decision doesn't really believe in democracy.