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Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 11, 2021, 10:12:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?Not so much individual policies, more that they were promising things that were likely going to be difficult to deliver.Financial pie in the sky in my opinion.Corbyn himself was also an issue for many people and that cost them votes too, in my opinion.
Quote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?
Quote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.
Quote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i see
Wilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.
Quote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:41:05 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 11, 2021, 10:12:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?Not so much individual policies, more that they were promising things that were likely going to be difficult to deliver.Financial pie in the sky in my opinion.Corbyn himself was also an issue for many people and that cost them votes too, in my opinion. Interesting comments Hound. Did you miss the fact that the Labour Manifesto was fully costed whilst the Tory one wasn't? I agree Corbyn was an issue, but that's what you get with an almost complete Right Wing Media - they're already after Starmer, I wonder why! Anyone who votes Conservative right now is casting a vote to say they are happy to be lied to, they are happy for cronyism to continue and they are happy to have their right to protest significantly diminished. And when they find those things acceptable you have to wonder what they'll find acceptable next!
Quote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:41:05 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 11, 2021, 10:12:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?Not so much individual policies, more that they were promising things that were likely going to be difficult to deliver.Financial pie in the sky in my opinion.Corbyn himself was also an issue for many people and that cost them votes too, in my opinion.Any imparticular?
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 12, 2021, 08:40:23 amQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:41:05 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 11, 2021, 10:12:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?Not so much individual policies, more that they were promising things that were likely going to be difficult to deliver.Financial pie in the sky in my opinion.Corbyn himself was also an issue for many people and that cost them votes too, in my opinion.Any imparticular?Hi Hound x
Quote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:41:05 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 11, 2021, 10:12:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?Not so much individual policies, more that they were promising things that were likely going to be difficult to deliver.Financial pie in the sky in my opinion.Corbyn himself was also an issue for many people and that cost them votes too, in my opinion.Any imparticular?
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 11, 2021, 10:12:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?Not so much individual policies, more that they were promising things that were likely going to be difficult to deliver.Financial pie in the sky in my opinion.Corbyn himself was also an issue for many people and that cost them votes too, in my opinion.
Quote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?
Quote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.
Quote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i see
Quote from: Not Now Kato on April 12, 2021, 09:13:25 amQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:41:05 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 11, 2021, 10:12:40 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 10:07:16 pmQuote from: wilts rover on April 11, 2021, 09:11:09 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 11, 2021, 04:14:02 pmWilts, was the Labour 2019 manifesto honesty personified in what it had promised to deliver if they had won.Dunno, they didn't win to be able to find out.Unlike the Tory ad campaign - which did happen and you have nothing to say about i seeThe Labour manifesto was a car crash and was a big part of the massive loss they suffered.Which policies were you against?Not so much individual policies, more that they were promising things that were likely going to be difficult to deliver.Financial pie in the sky in my opinion.Corbyn himself was also an issue for many people and that cost them votes too, in my opinion. Interesting comments Hound. Did you miss the fact that the Labour Manifesto was fully costed whilst the Tory one wasn't? I agree Corbyn was an issue, but that's what you get with an almost complete Right Wing Media - they're already after Starmer, I wonder why! Anyone who votes Conservative right now is casting a vote to say they are happy to be lied to, they are happy for cronyism to continue and they are happy to have their right to protest significantly diminished. And when they find those things acceptable you have to wonder what they'll find acceptable next!Kato, people from within his own Party are after Starmer as well.I wonder why that is?
Albie, I seem to recall no less than BST himself telling us that he thought that the 2019 manifesto was disastrous.Also, as for being popular, I assume that would be amongst Labour supporters.BST........apologies if I am wrong there but something in the back of my memory is telling me that you did say something along those lines.
Quote from: drfchound on April 12, 2021, 03:58:07 pmAlbie, I seem to recall no less than BST himself telling us that he thought that the 2019 manifesto was disastrous.Also, as for being popular, I assume that would be amongst Labour supporters.BST........apologies if I am wrong there but something in the back of my memory is telling me that you did say something along those lines.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/12/labour-economic-policies-are-popular-so-why-arent-You'd assume wrongly.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 12, 2021, 05:15:08 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 12, 2021, 03:58:07 pmAlbie, I seem to recall no less than BST himself telling us that he thought that the 2019 manifesto was disastrous.Also, as for being popular, I assume that would be amongst Labour supporters.BST........apologies if I am wrong there but something in the back of my memory is telling me that you did say something along those lines.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/12/labour-economic-policies-are-popular-so-why-arent-You'd assume wrongly.Ah, so you are saying that it wasn’t popular amongst Labour supporters then.Addition.I just got round to having a look at your link.Nowhere does it give conclusive evidence that anyone other than Labour supporters like some of those policies and it does say that over fifty percent of people polled didn’t think that Labour proposed policies were affordable.They don’t come out very well on some of the other questions that were asked either.
Quote from: drfchound on April 12, 2021, 05:34:03 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 12, 2021, 05:15:08 pmQuote from: drfchound on April 12, 2021, 03:58:07 pmAlbie, I seem to recall no less than BST himself telling us that he thought that the 2019 manifesto was disastrous.Also, as for being popular, I assume that would be amongst Labour supporters.BST........apologies if I am wrong there but something in the back of my memory is telling me that you did say something along those lines.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/12/labour-economic-policies-are-popular-so-why-arent-You'd assume wrongly.Ah, so you are saying that it wasn’t popular amongst Labour supporters then.Addition.I just got round to having a look at your link.Nowhere does it give conclusive evidence that anyone other than Labour supporters like some of those policies and it does say that over fifty percent of people polled didn’t think that Labour proposed policies were affordable.They don’t come out very well on some of the other questions that were asked either.Here is the key from that link."There are many possible reasons (why people like the policies but don't support Labour). One is that while people like the pledges they also don’t think they are realistic: 53% of Britons brand Labour’s policy platform “not affordable”."And that argument is currently being ripped to shreds by Biden. That "unaffordable" belief has been drummed into us by two generations of Thatcher/Reagan-omics that insisted that Govt spending had to be stripped back.What Biden is doing is chucking that thinking in the dustbin of history where it belongs. By the next Election, that "unaffordable" argument will be demonstrated to be utter claptrap.Big question is, can Labour rise above internecine arguments and seize that opportunity. It needs Labour to hammer on the issue that a radical economic plan is morally and practically right, and that it absolutely IS affordable. They should be screaming that message at every opportunity, not getting dragged into arguments over posturing about flags.
Better to ask which policies of this government do you give your support to ..........!% pay rise for health workersnot having a public inquiry into the covid responsenot having an inquiry into russian inferferenceetc etcnot releasing government reports the public have paid forHaving inquiries then doctoring them to suit etc
Quote from: SydneyRover on April 12, 2021, 10:47:54 pmBetter to ask which policies of this government do you give your support to ..........!% pay rise for health workersnot having a public inquiry into the covid responsenot having an inquiry into russian inferferenceetc etcnot releasing government reports the public have paid forHaving inquiries then doctoring them to suit etc Yep, but sadly the Tory fan boys will lap it up! "everything Tory is good.... everything anywhere and everywhere else is bad Baaaaaaaa". With apologies to George Orwell.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on April 13, 2021, 09:49:56 amQuote from: SydneyRover on April 12, 2021, 10:47:54 pmBetter to ask which policies of this government do you give your support to ..........!% pay rise for health workersnot having a public inquiry into the covid responsenot having an inquiry into russian inferferenceetc etcnot releasing government reports the public have paid forHaving inquiries then doctoring them to suit etc Yep, but sadly the Tory fan boys will lap it up! "everything Tory is good.... everything anywhere and everywhere else is bad Baaaaaaaa". With apologies to George Orwell.Is it any wonder you can't convince ppl of the merits of voting Labour when all you have is insults and condescension? At least BST provides arguments
Come on NNK sell voting Labour WITHOUT resorting to insults, condescension or referring to the tories
I refer you to my post to Syd NNK