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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Chris Black come back on December 26, 2012, 05:20:19 pm
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Saunders just confirmed that we are NOT signing Clingan.
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Did he say why?
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Its likely to be wages as well as us having other irons in the fire
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Not sure of reason. I really hope he has another central midfielder in mind because none of our current lot can pass the ball - they can tackle (Keegan, Harper), run (Syers) and head the ball (Woods) but none of them can actually pass to one of our lot. Needs serious action.
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May be on balance, we could pay wages towards a more familiar midfield general?
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Saunders on Radio Sheffield soon so listen up then.
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If I were a Richie man, I'd be very Wellens off.
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Liam Hoden from Free Press saying that decision seems to be ours: not enough money to go round and we have decided to pursue other options.
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I thought he was a goner when he wasn't in the squad today. I think he's better than Keegan or Harper but he'd probably want considerably more money than them to sign a long term deal. Is he that good to command the sort of money he'd want? Probably not, and there will be other fish in the sea.
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If Liam Hoden is right that there's not enough money sploshing about, can anyone see us having enough to be able to pay Richie Wellens?
BobG
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On a loan deal, yes
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Well yes. It could be one or the other....
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Bob- maybe it is just that we can't afford both Clingan AND A.N. Other (who may or may not be Richie Wellens).
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Wellens hasn't played once for Leicester this season and hasn't played a game since 10 November when he was on loan at Ipswich. I can say without any doubt that his face doesn't fit at Leicester - he wasn't even on the bench today. Unless he is injured (unlikely) then getting at least some of his wages off the Leicester wage bill and putting him in the shop window will suit Leicester down to the ground and probably Ritchie as well.
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While my mouth was watering at the thought of Wellens and Clingan playing together, if we let Clingan go to pursue Wellens then I'd still be over the moon. It's a shame things didn't work out for Clingan here, obviously Deano saw something he didn't like in him for the money he was on.
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Bob- maybe it is just that we can't afford both Clingan AND A.N. Other (who may or may not be Richie Wellens).
Maybe we can get 2 or even 3 players like Deano has already fetched in on the wage Clinghan will expect to sign a contract.It seems to be the reason everybody says he was not wanted by them.Not his ability but his wages.
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strong words are linking clingan to signing for chesterfield
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strong words are linking clingan to signing for chesterfield
You mean some bloke ringing radio united saying it would be nice if Chesterfield could sign him and the presenter agreeing?
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Liam Hoden from Free Press saying that decision seems to be ours: not enough money to go round and we have decided to pursue other options.
What I have been saying 'We're Skint
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If we were skint we would be where Hartlepool are now.
You don't know what following a skint club is like. You're too young to recall Rovers halycon days of 1,500 BV gates, and free transfer players .
As Mainwaring often said to Pike -- "You stupid boy." Although I say that yo everyone of your posts.
Please go away.
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Shame we couldn't keep Clingan and ditch Harper.
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Yeah, we're skint. Haven't you heard? Copps, Hume and these 3 new signings who are coming in are all being paid in peanuts and Tesco vouchers. We're obviously potless.
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Thanks chaps. I hope RW is indeed on his way here.
BobG
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If you're looking for a fall guy in all of this then I wouldn't be looking at Clingan or the Rovers, but I would be looking a lot closer at Clingan's agent.
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I'd suspect as much, the fella needs to sack his agent before he ends up playing on sunday mornings.
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Wonder why he didn't tell his agent what to do then?
I got no idea of what is contained in a contract between player and agent. Can it oblige the player to take the advice of the agent even when the alternative is no income? You would have thought that his principal being unemployed for several months would have given the agent at least a little bit of food for thought?
Presumably not though.
BobG
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With Coventry's wages that they have been paying,he will have been on silly money,Dean's probably made a take it or leave it offer,and he thinks he's worth a lot more,there might still be a chance with him,if the right clubs don't show interest,on the other hand he's been with us for a bit,and Dean just hasn't selected him,maybe it's his style of play that has made Dean's mind up,we've got plenty of two yard passing,safety first midfielders,we do need someone who makes things happen,namely R.W..
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With Coventry's wages that they have been paying,he will have been on silly money,Dean's probably made a take it or leave it offer,and he thinks he's worth a lot more,there might still be a chance with him,if the right clubs don't show interest,on the other hand he's been with us for a bit,and Dean just hasn't selected him,maybe it's his style of play that has made Dean's mind up,we've got plenty of two yard passing,safety first midfielders,we do need someone who makes things happen,namely R.W..
As SM said it was because of his agent. Can't see him being back, and it isn't his fault either.
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Most players now don't even get involved in discussions about contracts etc leave it all entirely with their agent who then informs the player what's happening.
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Yeah, we're skint. Haven't you heard? Copps, Hume and these 3 new signings who are coming in are all being paid in peanuts and Tesco vouchers. We're obviously potless.
Its ALL talk , show me the MONEY!!!
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strong words are linking clingan to signing for chesterfield
You mean some bloke ringing radio united saying it would be nice if Chesterfield could sign him and the presenter agreeing?
Made me laugh this!
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Wonder if Sammy Clingan has got the same agent as Andy Watson or Theo Streete. "Don't worry lad, I can get you a better contract than this down the road..." ;)
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Not that bothered personally. Didn't bring anything to the party we don't already have.
Would love to see RW come back on loan, but how match fit will he be? He hasn't played for ages. No point bringing someone in who can only play for 20 minutes for the first 6 weeks
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RR you're talking b*llocks.
Once again, and I won't stop asking until you can do this - can you show me concrete evidence that we as a club are skint? Hmm? If we were skint do you genuinely believe we'd be employing the likes of Cotterill and Spurr? Or Coppinger next month? Or paying part of Hume's wages?
Do yoursen a favour lad, give it up.
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He won't. But i love the way you're not letting go of the bone either :0)
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RR you're talking b*llocks.
Once again, and I won't stop asking until you can do this - can you show me concrete evidence that we as a club are skint? Hmm? If we were skint do you genuinely believe we'd be employing the likes of Cotterill and Spurr? Or Coppinger next month? Or paying part of Hume's wages?
Do yoursen a favour lad, give it up.
Its all Smoke & Mirrors You show me where we have spent anything , we get the chance to sign Sammy and WE CAN NOT afford him . Enough said ... For now .
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RR you're talking b*llocks.
Once again, and I won't stop asking until you can do this - can you show me concrete evidence that we as a club are skint? Hmm? If we were skint do you genuinely believe we'd be employing the likes of Cotterill and Spurr? Or Coppinger next month? Or paying part of Hume's wages?
Do yoursen a favour lad, give it up.
You show me where we have spent anything , we get the chance to sign Sammy and WE CAN NOT afford him . Enough said ... For now .
Just because the club aren't prepared to pay silly money how does it automatically mean the club are skint, Sherlock?
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RR you're talking b*llocks.
Once again, and I won't stop asking until you can do this - can you show me concrete evidence that we as a club are skint? Hmm? If we were skint do you genuinely believe we'd be employing the likes of Cotterill and Spurr? Or Coppinger next month? Or paying part of Hume's wages?
Do yoursen a favour lad, give it up.
You show me where we have spent anything , we get the chance to sign Sammy and WE CAN NOT afford him . Enough said ... For now .
Just because the club aren't prepared to pay silly money how does it automatically mean the club are skint, Sherlock?
Any money then Watson , will do .
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RR you're talking b*llocks.
Once again, and I won't stop asking until you can do this - can you show me concrete evidence that we as a club are skint? Hmm? If we were skint do you genuinely believe we'd be employing the likes of Cotterill and Spurr? Or Coppinger next month? Or paying part of Hume's wages?
Do yoursen a favour lad, give it up.
You show me where we have spent anything , we get the chance to sign Sammy and WE CAN NOT afford him . Enough said ... For now .
Just because the club aren't prepared to pay silly money how does it automatically mean the club are skint, Sherlock?
Any money then Watson , will do .
What do you think we are paying these players with then RR?
Or maybe you think they would be happy to accept apples oranges or bananas?
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Didn't you hear? We can't afford Lionel Messi and Ronaldo. We're skint.
RR obviously has an agenda to peddle for whatever reason, I refuse to believe that anyone is so thick that they have to deal in absolutes all the time. If something's not black, then that doesn't necessarily mean it's white, now does it? Just because we're being careful with money and not throwing millions about does NOT in any way mean that we're skint. And if you'd like to explain how paying Championship level players like Spurr, Cotterill, Coppinger, Hume and so on is "smoke and mirrors" that we're somehow getting away with, I'm listening. We decided to let one player go to pursue other options. It's not a big deal. Every club does that. Even Chelsea and Man City occasionally miss out on players because they don't want to be held to ransom. Or are they potless, using smoke and mirrors to get by as well?
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The club now has a strict salary cap in place, a cap they have set at what is a very good league 1 salary for a player. Some players (or more accurately their agents) either a) dont believe this, b) think they are worth more, or c) believe they can play a brinksmanship game and the club will cave in eventually.
Let me spell it out to you if you are a player agent with wares to be peddled - the club will give its best wages offer. Take it, or take your player elsewhere. The club wont be negotiating. It cant.
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He won't. But i love the way you're not letting go of the bone either :0)
:lol: never one to give up, especially on such an easy target!
RR you're talking b*llocks.
Once again, and I won't stop asking until you can do this - can you show me concrete evidence that we as a club are skint? Hmm? If we were skint do you genuinely believe we'd be employing the likes of Cotterill and Spurr? Or Coppinger next month? Or paying part of Hume's wages?
Do yoursen a favour lad, give it up.
You show me where we have spent anything , we get the chance to sign Sammy and WE CAN NOT afford him . Enough said ... For now .
Just because the club aren't prepared to pay silly money how does it automatically mean the club are skint, Sherlock?
Any money then Watson , will do .
Firstly, I can barely comprehend what you're trying to say there.
Also, erm, there's still no ACTUAL evidence there - you're just ASSUMING - big word, I know, but try to stay with me - that we've got f**k all as Glyn points out as we're not spending big bucks.
Business management, my friend. You don't spend what you don't need to.
Now while you're busy cobbling together your incoherent nonsensical response to this, try and find me a link or a graph, or a bloody napkin signed by someone who'd ACTUALLY KNOW, that proves your.. er, assumption.
Thank you,
signed, RJ.
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The club now has a strict salary cap in place, a cap they have set at what is a very good league 1 salary for a player. Some players (or more accurately their agents) either a) dont believe this, b) think they are worth more, or c) believe they can play a brinksmanship game and the club will cave in eventuallyy.
Let me spell it out to you if you are a player agent with wares to be peddled - the club will give its best wages offer. Take it, or take your player elsewhere. The club wont be negotiating. It cant.
"It can't " why so skint?
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Its all Smoke & Mirrors You show me where we have spent anything , we get the chance to sign Sammy and WE CAN NOT afford him . Enough said ... For now
Err- it's Sammy Clingan we didn't sign, not Lionel f**king Messi! There will be other fish in the sea. Blimey- how many games did the bloke start while he was with us? Is he that much of a loss?
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Its all Smoke & Mirrors You show me where we have spent anything , we get the chance to sign Sammy and WE CAN NOT afford him . Enough said ... For now
Err- it's Sammy Clingan we didn't sign, not Lionel f**king Messi! There will be other fish in the sea. Blimey- how many games did the bloke start while he was with us? Is he that much of a loss?
Correct !
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I think you've missed my point. I don't think Clingan is worth splashing out on. Nor do I think it means we're skint- just making good use of our resources.
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I'm not convinced he knows what he's on about, never mind you or anybody else TRB.
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The club now has a strict salary cap in place, a cap they have set at what is a very good league 1 salary for a player. Some players (or more accurately their agents) either a) dont believe this, b) think they are worth more, or c) believe they can play a brinksmanship game and the club will cave in eventuallyy.
Let me spell it out to you if you are a player agent with wares to be peddled - the club will give its best wages offer. Take it, or take your player elsewhere. The club wont be negotiating. It cant.
"It can't " why so skint?
Brian, the club has finite resources available, and it sees the best way to acquire the players we need by spending these on wages within a defined salary ladder. Not on fees, not on anything else around the periphery. Wages. The money is there to pay these wages every week, therefore by definition we are not skint. What we are doing is following a strategy that gives us a better negotiating position with agents and not putting the money into other club chairmen's pockets.
I hope that clarifies things for you. I am off to the pub in half an hour.
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The club now has a strict salary cap in place, a cap they have set at what is a very good league 1 salary for a player. Some players (or more accurately their agents) either a) dont believe this, b) think they are worth more, or c) believe they can play a brinksmanship game and the club will cave in eventuallyy.
Let me spell it out to you if you are a player agent with wares to be peddled - the club will give its best wages offer. Take it, or take your player elsewhere. The club wont be negotiating. It cant.
"It can't " why so skint?
Brian, the club has finite resources available, and it sees the best way to acquire the players we need by spending these on wages within a defined salary ladder. Not on fees, not on anything else around the periphery. Wages. The money is there to pay these wages every week, therefore by definition we are not skint. What we are doing is following a strategy that gives us a better negotiating position with agents and not putting the money into other club chairmen's pockets.
I hope that clarifies things for you. I am off to the pub in half an hour.
I claim my £5 - RR is Brian the Blade...
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The club now has a strict salary cap in place, a cap they have set at what is a very good league 1 salary for a player. Some players (or more accurately their agents) either a) dont believe this, b) think they are worth more, or c) believe they can play a brinksmanship game and the club will cave in eventuallyy.
Let me spell it out to you if you are a player agent with wares to be peddled - the club will give its best wages offer. Take it, or take your player elsewhere. The club wont be negotiating. It cant.
"It can't " why so skint?
Brian, the club has finite resources available, and it sees the best way to acquire the players we need by spending these on wages within a defined salary ladder. Not on fees, not on anything else around the periphery. Wages. The money is there to pay these wages every week, therefore by definition we are not skint. What we are doing is following a strategy that gives us a better negotiating position with agents and not putting the money into other club chairmen's pockets.
I hope that clarifies things for you. I am off to the pub in half an hour.
I claim my £5 - RR is Brian the Blade...
I agree we are cutting our cloth so to speak , but Deano and the boys are going to need strengthening and taking long shots on Klingon and woods without success leaves the squad no better off and Deano still having to sound pragmatic where signings are concerned. The club has made a stance and I do not believe they will sanction more than 1 or 2 players now that Copps is returning . When we may need 3or 4 if we are to avoid long term injuries . Deano mentioned he may even loose the odd player , so its a tight budget indeed no matter what words I use , but skint sounds good to me .
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but skint sounds good to me .
Prudent is a better word to describe our approach to expenditure.
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but skint sounds good to me .
Prudent is a better word to describe our approach to expenditure.
I wouldn't even call it that Baz, we have the 3rd highest wage budget in this division (now likely to increase significantly) and yet people still insist we are skint and have no money. It does beggar belief!
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but skint sounds good to me .
Skint sounds wrong to me. No, SM, the only person on here insisting this is someone who consistently talks b*llocks and is consistently wrong.
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In your opinion
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I bet there are a lot of clubs wishing they were as skint as us............
Portsmouth for one
Now Pompey is (in my opinion) a club that is skint RR
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Were not flashing the cash, only talking about it , that all just talk. One in One out tells me we are having cash flow problems . Skint then
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Is this kid for real?
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Were not flashing the cash, only talking about it , that all just talk. One in One out tells me we are having cash flow problems . Skint then
It tells me were staying with in a budget.
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I was n`t far off the mark with Clingan was I?
http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=235420.msg277986#msg277986
I would n`t bank on him staying around too long, he rejected new deals at Forest, Norwich, and Coventry, whilst he was at those clubs, all because he thought the grass was greener elsewhere. Geat signing if he stays long enough mind
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Were not flashing the cash, only talking about it , that all just talk. One in One out tells me we are having cash flow problems . Skint then
How come what we think is only opinion but what you think is fact?
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It tells me were staying with in a budget.
[/quote]Because ? if we go out of budget we will be even more skint . Skint = no money to spend on other things beyond what is budgeted for .
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Can no-one see he is on the wind up? Just ignore him and he'll get bored.
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It tells me were staying with in a budget.
Because ? if we go out of budget we will be even more skint . Skint = no money to spend on other things beyond what is budgeted for .
Er, isn't that just a normal budget? That's what a budget IS, a limit on your spending so you don't go overboard.
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It tells me were staying with in a budget.
Because ? if we go out of budget we will be even more skint . Skint = no money to spend on other things beyond what is budgeted for .
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Skint means not being able to have a budget.
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It tells me were staying with in a budget.
Because ? if we go out of budget we will be even more skint . Skint = no money to spend on other things beyond what is budgeted for .
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Please for f**k's sake say you're trolling.
If we go out of our budget, you know, this thing that's being, er, what's the word, INCREASED next month, then it still won't mean we're skint will it? It'll mean we have to cut cloth elsewhere or try and make a bit somewhere but does that mean we're skint? no.
Give it up cocker, that, or take me to this font of all knowledge you seem to be visiting to get this information from. Do that and I'll buy your drinks all new year's eve next year.