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Quote from: Frankie Rennie on June 27, 2020, 11:12:05 amWell of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353
Well of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.
Quote from: silent majority on June 27, 2020, 11:46:40 amQuote from: Frankie Rennie on June 27, 2020, 11:12:05 amWell of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.
Well guys who’d have thought that? Personally I’ve always rated big Darren and thought West Brom were premature dismissing him but fair play to Donny for jumping in for him. Ok Wanderers may be down at the moment but what a great time for someone to come in and turn it around. I’m still confident we will get Evatt but I’d be more than happy with DM. As for would he come? Of course he would. We might be a League lower today but the chance to build something bigger at Bolton must surely appeal and that’s no disrespect to Donny. Anyway, like I say, it will be Evatt this week.
Quote from: NewDonny on June 27, 2020, 12:18:18 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 27, 2020, 11:46:40 amQuote from: Frankie Rennie on June 27, 2020, 11:12:05 amWell of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.Those contracts are not subject to renewal though? It is effectively an open ended contract with a provision that means the exposure is only 12 months of contract at the point of redundancy or 12 months of compensation if bought out (ie leaving for another club).
Quote from: Chris Black come back on June 27, 2020, 12:26:28 pmQuote from: NewDonny on June 27, 2020, 12:18:18 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 27, 2020, 11:46:40 amQuote from: Frankie Rennie on June 27, 2020, 11:12:05 amWell of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.Those contracts are not subject to renewal though? It is effectively an open ended contract with a provision that means the exposure is only 12 months of contract at the point of redundancy or 12 months of compensation if bought out (ie leaving for another club).There will have been a clause in the contract at around 9 months that would have allowed either party to give notice that they intend to terminate at the 12 month point. If thats has not been invoked by either party then it will roll over in that second year and as you say compensation would be owed for that 12 mont if the contract was then to be terminated for any reason.
Not sad at all fire starter, it’s all part of being a fan. I completely agree DM is a man of high principle but the fact is I’m sure that he still has ambitions like the rest of us. I hear what you say about the 12 month rolling contract but that was the same as Parkys with us but it will expire at the end of June and only run on if both parties agree. I think you’d need to know a little more about the reality of Wanderers financial history before accusing us of living above our means but there’s no doubt big mistakes were made after Big Sam left resulting in where we are now. That’s in the past, we now have new owners who will run the club efficiently but have deep pocketed investors when needed so Darren like any other manager would have the resources need to build to get back to the PL. much as I respect Donny, you can’t compare the potential of the two clubs and the facilities the Bolton manager can work with.Anyway, hopefully it’s irrelevant, Evatt comes to Bolton and DM continues his plan and we both get to lock horns again the season after next on our way back up, assuming you aren’t relegated of course? 😀
Let’s hope we don’t find out eh? Maybe we can both agree on that at least?
Dagenham, we had exactly the same arguments over Parkys contract which was also 12 months rolling but it runs out every year and rolls only if both sides agree, no 9 months agreement, no compensation, just rolled on or not. Sorry but that’s how they work.Shelby, we don’t want Darren Moore, we want Ian Evatt and to be honest there are others like Ryan Lowe and our own David Lee that we’d put before DM but it’s down to FV and if Evatt won’t come then they may approach Donny or not. Rocking horse doodah is often actually found!!
Quote from: NewDonny on June 27, 2020, 12:18:18 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 27, 2020, 11:46:40 amQuote from: Frankie Rennie on June 27, 2020, 11:12:05 amWell of course you can all kid yourself about loyalty and all that but Darren knows that as soon as results go against him he’ll be out like anyone else. That’s football today I’m afraid, dog eat dog, there is no loyalty. Also if his current contract expires at the end of this month as it probably does, then he can leave for nothing so you can forget your silly buy out fees. To be fair most Wanderers fans want Evatt and I’m still confident it will be him in the next few days but should that not happen and rumours around DM are true you guys may have to just face up to facts like it or not.It's a rolling 12 month contract, which means it always has 12 months to run.And I can assure you we won't be sacking him if results don't go our way, that's not what we as a club are about.I notice you have completely ignored the information I gave you earlier, but if you don't believe me maybe Darren's words will suffice?https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/club-gets-darren-moore-whole-boss-his-commitment-doncaster-rovers-2543353Agreed, it's only a rolling 12 month contract if both parties agree to go forward into a further year.That agreement is built into the contract when it is originally signed. So the contract has 12 months to run as from today. As it will tomorrow, and the day after that etc. The length of the contract never reduces.
I always assumed that a rolling 12 month contract had an automatic 12 months notice built into it, but that appears to be not the case. Even a rolling 12 month contract has a start/end date, and the 12 months rolls on from that. Before that date both parties agree that it will roll on from that date.I'll ask Gav for some clarification, but this article, which is intended to be aimed at sports personnel describes it as that;https://www.mikethornton.xyz/rolling-employment-contracts/
In that case I stand corrected.Thanks SM, and apologies to Frankie and NewDonny.(you still can’t have our Darren though.!!)
Lads, FR is having a laugh.Don’t take him seriously.
What I don’t like about a 12 month rolling contract is that it doesn’t suggest a great deal of confidence in the manager. If we had a player we thought had a big future in the game we’d try and tie him down to a 3 year contract (like Whiteman) so why do we not do the same with managers? I appreciate that it gives us flexibility and limits potential compensation if we were to sack the manager but given the confidence the fans and board seem to have in Moore would it not make sense to try to tie him down to a longer term contract?I don’t understand the benefits being that it gives security to Moore and our ability to claim compensation - surely most managers are on longer term deals so there’d be less compensation for us if he was poached and less security for Moore than most jobs? I can’t see many managers having month to month deals and surely the norm is for a couple of years or longer? (Short term deals like Warnock’s with Boro notwithstanding)