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Title: Lawlor again
Post by: Filo on October 17, 2017, 11:04:39 pm
Great save at the end to earn us the three points, he owed us that, but beaten again from outside of the area 😀😀😀😀😀
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: glosterred on October 17, 2017, 11:06:03 pm
Believe he kept us in the game against Charlton as well, but needs to improve his footwork


COYR
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: since-1969 on October 17, 2017, 11:07:37 pm
You talk about jeckal & Hyde . How can player have so much in his game . Phew!!
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Alan Southstand on October 17, 2017, 11:27:48 pm
Is Lawlor Latin for liability? ;)
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: dickos1 on October 17, 2017, 11:29:24 pm
I think it's Hebrew for "kept us in it with wonder save"
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: bobjimwilly on October 17, 2017, 11:29:56 pm
the blunder in all its glory, if you dare watch it: https://twitter.com/ClinicalCrouch/status/920378618219499520

 :s
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Filo on October 17, 2017, 11:31:43 pm
I think it's Hebrew for "kept us in it with wonder save"

Great save but would have been irrelevent had he not dropped a massive bollock
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on October 18, 2017, 02:59:39 am
He got away with it, it didn't cost us any points. Expect mistakes from any keeper at times just like the outfield fellas.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on October 18, 2017, 03:50:58 am
I think it's Hebrew for "kept us in it with wonder save"
did it to a "tea"  after getting into hot water over his mistake
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: roversdude on October 18, 2017, 04:21:56 am
Can’t believe how often he finds touch with his kicks - unfortunately it’s not rugby we play
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: graingrover on October 18, 2017, 07:07:42 am
Can’t believe how often he finds touch with his kicks - unfortunately it’s not rugby we play
Not as unfortunate as your negativity about him

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Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: balbyrover on October 18, 2017, 07:08:34 am
I maybe wrong but did the ball even bobble? It just looked like a horrendous mistake to me. It happens though and probably just a lapse in concentration. 
Great save at the end though.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: idler on October 18, 2017, 07:14:10 am
It looked to just go under his foot. If he had stopped it with the inside of his foot it would never have happened.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Monkcaster_Rover on October 18, 2017, 08:23:37 am
Wasn't there but mistakes happen. He made amends with what sounds like a belter save at the end. That cock up will be going through his mind 100s of times and i bet he won't do it again.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Bezza on October 18, 2017, 08:30:15 am
still a young keeper, there are mistakes in all keepers, i like Lawlor he`s the best wev`e got.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: GazLaz on October 18, 2017, 08:36:54 am
It looked to just go under his foot. If he had stopped it with the inside of his foot it would never have happened.

That’s what he will have tried to do I’m sure. Just lost concentration.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Filo on October 18, 2017, 09:42:28 am
It looked to just go under his foot. If he had stopped it with the inside of his foot it would never have happened.

That’s what he will have tried to do I’m sure. Just lost concentration.

Watch it again he tried to stop it with the soul of his boot as if he was going to roll it forward, I'm not convinced with him, good shot stopper with good reactions, but prone to to many schoolboy errors
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: CrippyCooke on October 18, 2017, 11:13:30 am
It's easy to forget that Lawlor is only 22 years old. I can live with the odd mistake from him at this stage of his career given his obvious overall talent.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: drfchound on October 18, 2017, 12:45:48 pm
Can’t believe how often he finds touch with his kicks - unfortunately it’s not rugby we play
Not as unfortunate as your negativity about him

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He only kicked one into touch last night.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: MrFrost on October 18, 2017, 12:54:45 pm
It looked to just go under his foot. If he had stopped it with the inside of his foot it would never have happened.

That’s what he will have tried to do I’m sure. Just lost concentration.

Watch it again he tried to stop it with the soul of his boot as if he was going to roll it forward, I'm not convinced with him, good shot stopper with good reactions, but prone to to many schoolboy errors

How many other errors has he made since he joined?
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: RoversAlias on October 18, 2017, 02:16:43 pm
It looked to just go under his foot. If he had stopped it with the inside of his foot it would never have happened.

That’s what he will have tried to do I’m sure. Just lost concentration.

Watch it again he tried to stop it with the soul of his boot as if he was going to roll it forward, I'm not convinced with him, good shot stopper with good reactions, but prone to to many schoolboy errors

He's young and been playing regular senior football for only a few months. He clearly possesses great ability, his shot-stopping is on a par with anyone I've seen guarding the nets for Rovers, his kicks are strong (the ones straight out are always when he's trying to find the touchline player) and his distribution is very good as well. He will make errors as a young player learning the game, but that's the case with most goalies his age.

Anyone remember the ridiculous errors David De Gea kept making as a youngster at Man Utd? You could argue he's the best keeper in the world at the minute.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Filo on October 18, 2017, 03:16:50 pm
It looked to just go under his foot. If he had stopped it with the inside of his foot it would never have happened.

That’s what he will have tried to do I’m sure. Just lost concentration.

Watch it again he tried to stop it with the soul of his boot as if he was going to roll it forward, I'm not convinced with him, good shot stopper with good reactions, but prone to to many schoolboy errors

How many other errors has he made since he joined?

Watch the footage 😜
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Branton Rover on October 18, 2017, 07:58:08 pm
Name me a keeper who hasn’t experienced a howler like that - it’s a very short list indeed - they all have
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: NickDRFC on October 18, 2017, 08:00:00 pm
Name me a keeper who hasn’t experienced a howler like that - it’s a very short list indeed - they all have

All keepers make howlers but ones like that?! I'd say the list is pretty short!
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: drfchound on October 18, 2017, 08:00:31 pm
Name me a keeper who hasn’t experienced a howler like that - it’s a very short list indeed - they all have

All keepers make howlers but ones like that?! I'd say the list is pretty short!





I can remember an England International keeper, Paul Robinson, doing a similar one.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Filo on October 18, 2017, 08:03:44 pm
Name me a keeper who hasn’t experienced a howler like that - it’s a very short list indeed - they all have

All keepers make howlers but ones like that?! I'd say the list is pretty short!





I can remember an England International keeper, Paul Robinson, doing a similar one.

That one hit a divot and the ball changed direction
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: drfchound on October 18, 2017, 08:04:38 pm
It did indeed but it was similar.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Monkcaster_Rover on October 18, 2017, 08:13:31 pm
Peter Enkleman in net for Villa against Birmingham?
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on October 18, 2017, 08:13:53 pm
Cock ups happen in all levels of sport. Even wicket keepers drop easy catches with gloves on.

It didn't cost us. Move on.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Filo on October 18, 2017, 09:12:24 pm
The Benfica keepers bollock tonight was a good one
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Bentley Bullet on October 18, 2017, 09:20:06 pm
Some big names here......

https://youtu.be/ksY9Pll3gDM
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Jonathan on October 18, 2017, 09:26:32 pm
Last night's mistake really isn't worth dwelling on. That momentary lapse can happen to anyone. If he was bad enough for that kind of error to be a normal part of his game then he wouldn't even be able to get on a Sunday league bench, let alone anything else. That one can just be forgotten and move on.

There are areas of his game that can improve - command of the penalty box and starting position for shots from distance. But as others have rightly said he is only a young goalkeeper and he does have undoubted potential.

Clearly he put last night's error behind him very quickly and saved us late on. All credit to him for that.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: silent majority on October 18, 2017, 09:32:03 pm
I doubt anybody could have felt as bad as he did last night, a painful lesson he won't forget.

But I've seen much higher profile keepers make serious blunders, Gary Sprake anyone? And I happened to be in Croatia for that England game in 2006 and because of the tension and atmosphere that night it just added to the experience. Not something I would wish to repeat in a hurry.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Paul Simpson on October 18, 2017, 09:46:02 pm
We're lucky to have him at Donny. He's a class act and can only get better ! We all make mistakes don't we? He's made a very positive impact to our club imo ⚽️😀👍
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Dagenham Rover on October 18, 2017, 10:01:03 pm
I doubt anybody could have felt as bad as he did last night, a painful lesson he won't forget.

But I've seen much higher profile keepers make serious blunders, Gary Sprake anyone? And I happened to be in Croatia for that England game in 2006 and because of the tension and atmosphere that night it just added to the experience. Not something I would wish to repeat in a hurry.

Gary Sprake was well known for howlers but he no doubt made a decent living from footy mind you it was Leeds he played for so it was worth it to laugh at them
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: MachoMadness on October 18, 2017, 10:04:09 pm
People say our fans are negative, however I'd like to point out that after our keeper made one of the worst mistakes it's possible to make we have numerous threads on here largely praising the guy for his performances since joining us.

Granted, some of that probably has to do with us winning, but still nice to see.

It isn't a patch on Andy Warrington's swing-and-a-miss vs Wednesday anyway, although the elaborate star jump motion made that one.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: POD on October 18, 2017, 10:24:40 pm
Looking at the incident here, why does Lawlor even attempt to play the ball to Baudry, when he is marked and only has the option to play the ball back for the keeper still to kick upfield.  Sometimes, the keeper has to think to himself, the best option is just to kick it upfield in the first place for a 50/50 and see what happens.

Joe Hart appears to have  the same dilemma when playing for England, when he seems to always look to play out from the back.  On Saturday he just booted the ball upfield for West Ham against Burnley and it resulted in a 'route one' goal.  Not pretty, but effective... And no risk of an own goal.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: aussyroy on October 19, 2017, 04:18:46 am
To Paul Simpson.
some, or most of your comments are pathetic.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: DRNaith on October 19, 2017, 06:37:47 am
I remember the below, said in jest but shows that keepers need a thick skin.

"We watched the 50 greatest Premier League Goals on the team bus - and Sully must have been in 49 of them!"

Doncaster's Richie Wellens on Rovers keeper Neil Sullivan.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: Metalmicky on October 19, 2017, 07:44:53 am
Is Lawlor Latin for liability? ;)

I believe that a rough translation from Latin for the word 'liability' is in fact................................................ Taylor-Sinclair 


 



*In truth the correct translation of ''liability' in Latin is 'Rusticis' - which I found quite amusing also........
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: drfchound on October 19, 2017, 07:46:26 am
Looking at the incident here, why does Lawlor even attempt to play the ball to Baudry, when he is marked and only has the option to play the ball back for the keeper still to kick upfield.  Sometimes, the keeper has to think to himself, the best option is just to kick it upfield in the first place for a 50/50 and see what happens.

Joe Hart appears to have  the same dilemma when playing for England, when he seems to always look to play out from the back.  On Saturday he just booted the ball upfield for West Ham against Burnley and it resulted in a 'route one' goal.  Not pretty, but effective... And no risk of an own goal.





It could just be possible that the keepers you mention are instructed to play the way they do !!
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 19, 2017, 07:54:59 am
Looking at the incident here, why does Lawlor even attempt to play the ball to Baudry, when he is marked and only has the option to play the ball back for the keeper still to kick upfield.  Sometimes, the keeper has to think to himself, the best option is just to kick it upfield in the first place for a 50/50 and see what happens.

Joe Hart appears to have  the same dilemma when playing for England, when he seems to always look to play out from the back.  On Saturday he just booted the ball upfield for West Ham against Burnley and it resulted in a 'route one' goal.  Not pretty, but effective... And no risk of an own goal.





It could just be possible that the keepers you mention are instructed to play the way they do !!

They certainly are and we use it as a tactic.  It's fair to say Lawlor's long kicks aren't the best (a bit like Neil Sullivan) but building through the defence is a clear tactic.

A point to note though that even the best keepers we've had make errors.  I remember being at Cardiff for example heading for a draw 90th minute and Neil Sullivan let one in through his hands - it happens.  Indeed we beat Leicester at the Keepmoat through a shocker from Schmeichel and he won the Premier league 2 years after that.....

What I did like was his attitude and that's a lot of the difference between Lawlor and Etheridge.  Lawlor got straight up had a drink and carried on playing making probably the best save he's made here late on.  That showed character from him.  Etheridge and to some extent Marosi would be more in their shells.

Lawlor at his age has a lot of ability and will likely only get better.  He'll become a huge player for us.  He's not perfect but he has all the attributes to be very good.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: RoversAlias on October 19, 2017, 09:52:02 am
I think Lawlor has a really good, strong kick on him to be fair it's just he's instructed often to aim for the touchline player and they're the ones he often skews out of play. Watch how good the height and distance are on ones he sends straight up the middle.
Title: Re: Lawlor again
Post by: ravenrover on October 19, 2017, 10:06:00 am
the classic Gary Sprake v Liverpool