Brexit Benefits Log

[normal rules]

For job roles such as HGV and Police we should be training up soldiers about to leave the army, to give them the future they have earned, rather than leaving them to become homeless.

I get the sentiment AL. But some soldiers would never make cops just like some cops would never make soldiers.
Soldiers getting jobs as drivers though is pretty on point. Many do. I know of ex squaddies and ex cops who drive for a living. Not just trucks, but taxis and delivery stuff too. Problem is getting the training for those without c or c+e status.
When I left the forces some of my mates went down the hazmat route (or whatever it is called these days ) Driving tankers and the like. It was always rumoured to be very good money doing that.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So potentially, Glyn, 100,000 new jobs with excellent pay! You’re good at this Brexit benefit lark, aren’t you?

The only problem is, you can't just get HGV drivers off the street. Where are they going to come from, and how is stuff going to get delivered while we're waiting for them all to get qualified?

If you haven't got an answer to that you're not very good at this Brexit lark, are you?

You’re not very good at coming up with your own phrases are you?

It was your Brexit benefit, not mine.

No solution to your supposed 'benefit' I notice. Of course.

[belton rover]

It wasn’t my benefit, Glyn, it was yours. I just pointed it out to you. It’s not up to me to put meat on your Brexit benefit bones.

[selby]

  It is the transport companies fault for the shortage of HGV drivers,not training them themselves over the years.
  They have been quite happy to employ foreign drivers who in a lot of cases have not had the training required to get a licence in this country, and have been a source of cheap labour for the industry and kept the wage structure artificially low for years which is now being highlighted, and in some cases have been a danger to the public on the roads.
  Like other trades they will have to start to train their own employees now, and stop feeding off other companies that subsidise the training of skilled workers, and an opportunity for British workers to earn a good living wage.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It wasn’t my benefit, Glyn, it was yours. I just pointed it out to you. It’s not up to me to put meat on your Brexit benefit bones.

You said it was a benefit, not me. It isn't. You justify it.

But you won't, because you can't.

Cue blather response.

[belton rover]

Sorry Glyn, but if you can’t back up your own Brexit benefits, then they don’t count.
Try again.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So you agree it's not a benefit then. Good.

[Metalmicky]

For job roles such as HGV and Police we should be training up soldiers about to leave the army, to give them the future they have earned, rather than leaving them to become homeless.

I get the sentiment AL. But some soldiers would never make cops just like some cops would never make soldiers.
Soldiers getting jobs as drivers though is pretty on point. Many do. I know of ex squaddies and ex cops who drive for a living. Not just trucks, but taxis and delivery stuff too. Problem is getting the training for those without c or c+e status.
When I left the forces some of my mates went down the hazmat route (or whatever it is called these days ) Driving tankers and the like. It was always rumoured to be very good money doing that.

My neighbour (ex RLC) did this for quite a few years but gave it up when he had paid off his mortgage and he didn't need to do it............he now drives a disability bus for the council part time and lives off his pension.

[belton rover]

So you agree it's not a benefit then. Good.

You put a Brexit benefit on here and then get upset when you can’t explain why it’s a benefit. Then you say it’s not a benefit.

WUM

[wilts rover]

All them foreigners coming over here picking our fruit and veg and delivering our food. B****ds.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So you agree it's not a benefit then. Good.

You put a Brexit benefit on here and then get upset when you can’t explain why it’s a benefit. Then you say it’s not a benefit.

WUM

You think being short of 100,000 HGV drivers is a benefit? I certainly don't and have consistently said so.

If you try - yet again - to pretend that I've been giving a benefit we'll all know who the WUM is.

[Bentley Bullet]

It will be a benefit to those 100,000 who get jobs as HGV drivers.

[SydneyRover]

well, yes

[belton rover]

There you go Glyn - even our Sydney thinks it’s a benefit.

[Glyn_Wigley]

There you go Glyn - even our Sydney thinks it’s a benefit.

I posted the non-benefit side of this:

The only problem is, you can't just get HGV drivers off the street. Where are they going to come from, and how is stuff going to get delivered while we're waiting for them all to get qualified?

Which absolutely no-one has answered. Especially you. No doubt you still won't answer it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It will be a benefit to those 100,000 who get jobs as HGV drivers.

It's not a benefit to the country as a whole.

[SydneyRover]

There is no net benefit, there is not a need for truckies due to increased trade it's because so many have chuffed off. When every job is filled there will no net gain to production it will only go towards filling the huge hole.

[Bentley Bullet]

It will be a benefit to those 100,000 who get jobs as HGV drivers.

It's not a benefit to the country as a whole.

It will reduce unemployment therefore it will be a benefit to the country as a whole.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I mean we could just train up our unemployed as drivers, offer it as an option for school leavers etc couldn't we?

We could also treat the drivers we do have a little better couldn't we?  Financially they make a very good wage but the unsocial hours and treatment could be far better.  Perhaps we need to be less reliant on cheap immigrant workforces and train up our population to fulfil skills we need.

[belton rover]

I mean we could just train up our unemployed as drivers, offer it as an option for school leavers etc couldn't we?

We could also treat the drivers we do have a little better couldn't we?  Financially they make a very good wage but the unsocial hours and treatment could be far better.  Perhaps we need to be less reliant on cheap immigrant workforces and train up our population to fulfil skills we need.

All good, positive points. Sometimes when options (cheaper ones, in this case) are removed, then it can be for the greater good.

But it won’t be a quick fix. Mentalities of employers and potential employees would need to change - that will take time. Bur who said Brexit would be a short term, quick fix?

[normal rules]

There jobs a plenty in Lincolnshire. For the first time ever, one of the local big veg producers (Clements) have a big advertising hoarding near their factory in Wrangle wanting food processing operatives and tractor drivers.    They have never needed to advertise before in this way. Sign of the times I guess.

[Not Now Kato]

I mean we could just train up our unemployed as drivers, offer it as an option for school leavers etc couldn't we?

We could also treat the drivers we do have a little better couldn't we?  Financially they make a very good wage but the unsocial hours and treatment could be far better.  Perhaps we need to be less reliant on cheap immigrant workforces and train up our population to fulfil skills we need.

All good, positive points. Sometimes when options (cheaper ones, in this case) are removed, then it can be for the greater good.

But it won’t be a quick fix. Mentalities of employers and potential employees would need to change - that will take time. Bur who said Brexit would be a short term, quick fix?

Many people during the leave campaign.  Not least of all David Davis, Brexit Minister - “there will be no downside to Brexit at all, and considerable upsides”.

[SydneyRover]

Let's take back control .................

If anyone offered a deal such as brexit to a business, we're going to take you away from your major market and give you enough paperwork to keep you busy for a couple of years, give your competitors the chance to grab your customers .............

ooh yes please, do it now

[belton rover]

I mean we could just train up our unemployed as drivers, offer it as an option for school leavers etc couldn't we?

We could also treat the drivers we do have a little better couldn't we?  Financially they make a very good wage but the unsocial hours and treatment could be far better.  Perhaps we need to be less reliant on cheap immigrant workforces and train up our population to fulfil skills we need.

All good, positive points. Sometimes when options (cheaper ones, in this case) are removed, then it can be for the greater good.

But it won’t be a quick fix. Mentalities of employers and potential employees would need to change - that will take time. Bur who said Brexit would be a short term, quick fix?

Many people during the leave campaign.  Not least of all David Davis, Brexit Minister - “there will be no downside to Brexit at all, and considerable upsides”.

Not. I can’t shake of this nagging feeling that you don’t really want to hear about any Brexit benefits.

[Not Now Kato]

I mean we could just train up our unemployed as drivers, offer it as an option for school leavers etc couldn't we?

We could also treat the drivers we do have a little better couldn't we?  Financially they make a very good wage but the unsocial hours and treatment could be far better.  Perhaps we need to be less reliant on cheap immigrant workforces and train up our population to fulfil skills we need.

All good, positive points. Sometimes when options (cheaper ones, in this case) are removed, then it can be for the greater good.

But it won’t be a quick fix. Mentalities of employers and potential employees would need to change - that will take time. Bur who said Brexit would be a short term, quick fix?

Many people during the leave campaign.  Not least of all David Davis, Brexit Minister - “there will be no downside to Brexit at all, and considerable upsides”.

Not. I can’t shake of this nagging feeling that you don’t really want to hear about any Brexit benefits.

You are so wrong Belton.  I can't wait to here all these benefits we've achieved.  After all, we were promised so much.  Got any to report?

[Not Now Kato]

Let's take back control .................

If anyone offered a deal such as brexit to a business, we're going to take you away from your major market and give you enough paperwork to keep you busy for a couple of years, give your competitors the chance to grab your customers .............

ooh yes please, do it now

Problem is SR, people who have been conned typically find it very hard to admit they've been conned. Happens all the time - which is of great benefit to the conmen.

[belton rover]

I mean we could just train up our unemployed as drivers, offer it as an option for school leavers etc couldn't we?

We could also treat the drivers we do have a little better couldn't we?  Financially they make a very good wage but the unsocial hours and treatment could be far better.  Perhaps we need to be less reliant on cheap immigrant workforces and train up our population to fulfil skills we need.

All good, positive points. Sometimes when options (cheaper ones, in this case) are removed, then it can be for the greater good.

But it won’t be a quick fix. Mentalities of employers and potential employees would need to change - that will take time. Bur who said Brexit would be a short term, quick fix?

Many people during the leave campaign.  Not least of all David Davis, Brexit Minister - “there will be no downside to Brexit at all, and considerable upsides”.

Not. I can’t shake of this nagging feeling that you don’t really want to hear about any Brexit benefits.

You are so wrong Belton.  I can't wait to here all these benefits we've achieved.  After all, we were promised so much.  Got any to report?

LOL

[SydneyRover]

Let's take back control .................

If anyone offered a deal such as brexit to a business, we're going to take you away from your major market and give you enough paperwork to keep you busy for a couple of years, give your competitors the chance to grab your customers .............

ooh yes please, do it now

Problem is SR, people who have been conned typically find it very hard to admit they've been conned. Happens all the time - which is of great benefit to the conmen.

It's either that, or as billy said they didn't know they've been had. Now of course we are all stuck with a government that doesn't know what to do next a government that needs scientists to tell them the difference between shit and clay and yet still grab handfuls of the wrong stuff.

[Not Now Kato]

I mean we could just train up our unemployed as drivers, offer it as an option for school leavers etc couldn't we?

We could also treat the drivers we do have a little better couldn't we?  Financially they make a very good wage but the unsocial hours and treatment could be far better.  Perhaps we need to be less reliant on cheap immigrant workforces and train up our population to fulfil skills we need.

All good, positive points. Sometimes when options (cheaper ones, in this case) are removed, then it can be for the greater good.

But it won’t be a quick fix. Mentalities of employers and potential employees would need to change - that will take time. Bur who said Brexit would be a short term, quick fix?

Many people during the leave campaign.  Not least of all David Davis, Brexit Minister - “there will be no downside to Brexit at all, and considerable upsides”.

Not. I can’t shake of this nagging feeling that you don’t really want to hear about any Brexit benefits.

You are so wrong Belton.  I can't wait to here all these benefits we've achieved.  After all, we were promised so much.  Got any to report?

LOL

LOL? Ah, yes, leave voters believed Lots Of Lies.....  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/list-of-brexit-lies&ved=2ahUKEwjJ4r3zwbLyAhUMTsAKHcTbDvwQFnoECDQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2dLeP7mRn5yCO5DsETowAn&cshid=1629013548222

[belton rover]

I mean we could just train up our unemployed as drivers, offer it as an option for school leavers etc couldn't we?

We could also treat the drivers we do have a little better couldn't we?  Financially they make a very good wage but the unsocial hours and treatment could be far better.  Perhaps we need to be less reliant on cheap immigrant workforces and train up our population to fulfil skills we need.

All good, positive points. Sometimes when options (cheaper ones, in this case) are removed, then it can be for the greater good.

But it won’t be a quick fix. Mentalities of employers and potential employees would need to change - that will take time. Bur who said Brexit would be a short term, quick fix?

Many people during the leave campaign.  Not least of all David Davis, Brexit Minister - “there will be no downside to Brexit at all, and considerable upsides”.

Not. I can’t shake of this nagging feeling that you don’t really want to hear about any Brexit benefits.

You are so wrong Belton.  I can't wait to here all these benefits we've achieved.  After all, we were promised so much.  Got any to report?

LOL

LOL? Ah, yes, leave voters believed Lots Of Lies.....  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/list-of-brexit-lies&ved=2ahUKEwjJ4r3zwbLyAhUMTsAKHcTbDvwQFnoECDQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2dLeP7mRn5yCO5DsETowAn&cshid=1629013548222

lol