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All our national infrastructure should be nationalised IMO.
A balance is surely the answer? We need competition to bring things on but it needs to be backed by strong legislation and governance. That joined up approach should deliver the best outcome.I have to say I feel sorry for Trainline shareholders this morning though.
As someone who’s a bit of a nerd when it comes to Railways, this is my take:1. It’s certainly a positive step forward. However I’m slightly disappointed that it doesn’t go further. Now we’ve left the EU the pathway is clear for full on rail nationalisation. 2. Probably belongs in another thread, but this is at least 1 advantage to Brexit. Under state aid rules, it’s unlikely that this would be sanctioned by the EU. 3. During the 2019 general election, Labour proposed something very similar to this and were shouted down by the Tories! And now they’ve nicked the idea as their own!
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 20, 2021, 11:04:10 amAll our national infrastructure should be nationalised IMO.Crikey what a disaster that would be.
As a matter of interest, can anyone point to any privatisation that has worked well?By worked well, I mean for the general public, not for the shareholders of the companies.By way of example, I get my water from a monopoly supplier. This was a public interest provider of utility services sold off to a PLC. If I don't like the quality of service now on offer, I can do nothing......there is no option to transfer to another provider!I agree with AL, all key public services should be provided by a non profit seeking company in full public control.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on May 20, 2021, 09:44:53 amAs someone who’s a bit of a nerd when it comes to Railways, this is my take:1. It’s certainly a positive step forward. However I’m slightly disappointed that it doesn’t go further. Now we’ve left the EU the pathway is clear for full on rail nationalisation. 2. Probably belongs in another thread, but this is at least 1 advantage to Brexit. Under state aid rules, it’s unlikely that this would be sanctioned by the EU. 3. During the 2019 general election, Labour proposed something very similar to this and were shouted down by the Tories! And now they’ve nicked the idea as their own! HA will probably be able to correct me here if I am wrong - but I believe most of the existing francise companies are nationalised and owned by the public. It just that they are the national rail companies and public of other countries, mostly European.So an advantage of Brexit is that our Government will be giving British taxpayers money in subsidies to German taxpayers (Arriva - which is part of Deutsche Bahn).
Muttley, you don't have to be a socialist to want the main utilities under the control of the government, I think most want that to happen and taken out of the control of private companies.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on May 20, 2021, 11:04:10 amAll our national infrastructure should be nationalised IMO.I always knew you were a socialist at heart!
Pud,What is your evidence that "competition can drive a better service" please?I don't really know what you mean, so can you give a bit more substance?I am interested in your idea that the service can be franchised, but the infrastructure held by the public sector.Does that not mean that the public purse pays for upkeep and investment in the system, but that private providers can then take profit without risk from that provision?