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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Dare to dream! on September 27, 2014, 08:46:08 pm
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Mmm
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How quaint.
I did so love those old pen portraits in the programmes back in the 70s. You remember the ones.
Car? Capri
Favourite Food & Drink? Chicken in a basket and Blue Nun
Favourite Holiday? Lloret
Favourite Sex Position? Spit roast followed by sticky belly flap cock.
Nice retro throwback stylee by young Wesley there.
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What a let down. Not one question about the summer. Hardly 'bares all' as it states at the beginning.
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No, but after what I have seen at Walsall this afternoon, the total abject failure to deliver a footballing performance, the total absence of spirit, that interview was just the reminder I needed of what JR brought to our Club. He may not have multi-millions, but he had passion - I'll take that option in a Chairman every day of the week.
We might have been singing "Just a pub team, having a laugh" but I for one haven't laughed since James Baxendale put the first Walsall goal in.
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JR would have not stood for these abject performances
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He did throughout most of 2007
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He did throughout most of 2007
we stayed up in championship!
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No we didn't. We bumbled about in mid table of L1 with a squad that cost considerably more than this one.
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He did throughout most of 2007
Were you there today, BST? Because that was worse than anything served up in 2007, poor as it was.
First half I just thought it was a case of two poor sides. We conceded a goal from a free kick in the depths of stoppage time because we failed to anticipate that Walsall might not just lump the ball into the box. I still thought we could come back into it, but the second half was one of the most gutless displays I've ever seen from a Rovers team.
In one respect I have some sympathy for Dickov. He was let down badly by his players and I'd struggle to single out anyone who had a performance that was even "average." However, he made two massive mistakes. Selecting the Furman/ Keegan duo as holding midfielders meant we had no-one who could pass the ball from deep. Secondly, giving the players two days off after the Fulham game (which we lost, FFS!) meant that we didn't prepare properly for this game.
Also, God knows what he said to them at half-time, but they managed to be worse than they were in the first half and they looked totally uninterested.
Yes, we had some difficult times under O'Driscoll, but I always had a sense that he knew what he was trying to do with the team. I just don't have that with Dickov. However, lest we forget, Dickov was JR's appointment. I wonder if he's having second thoughts about that now?
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I'm surprised one of the questions wasn't, "why are you so brilliant?".
All the usual sound bites from JR and no insight gained from it.
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bit of a let down in that it totally avoids any serious questions. but a good light-hearted interview for a bit of nostalgia doesn't harm anyone I suppose.
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And what do we know about Bramall
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Did that interview replace "The sensational return" interview that had to be hastily scrapped?
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utterly agree with that. 2nd half they looked disinterested, even copps. Worse performance i have seen for sometime
He did throughout most of 2007
Were you there today, BST? Because that was worse than anything served up in 2007, poor as it was.
First half I just thought it was a case of two poor sides. We conceded a goal from a free kick in the depths of stoppage time because we failed to anticipate that Walsall might not just lump the ball into the box. I still thought we could come back into it, but the second half was one of the most gutless displays I've ever seen from a Rovers team.
In one respect I have some sympathy for Dickov. He was let down badly by his players and I'd struggle to single out anyone who had a performance that was even "average." However, he made two massive mistakes. Selecting the Furman/ Keegan duo as holding midfielders meant we had no-one who could pass the ball from deep. Secondly, giving the players two days off after the Fulham game (which we lost, FFS!) meant that we didn't prepare properly for this game.
Also, God knows what he said to them at half-time, but they managed to be worse than they were in the first half and they looked totally uninterested.
Yes, we had some difficult times under O'Driscoll, but I always had a sense that he knew what he was trying to do with the team. I just don't have that with Dickov. However, lest we forget, Dickov was JR's appointment. I wonder if he's having second thoughts about that now?
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He did throughout most of 2007
Were you there today, BST? Because that was worse than anything served up in 2007, poor as it was.
First half I just thought it was a case of two poor sides. We conceded a goal from a free kick in the depths of stoppage time because we failed to anticipate that Walsall might not just lump the ball into the box. I still thought we could come back into it, but the second half was one of the most gutless displays I've ever seen from a Rovers team.
In one respect I have some sympathy for Dickov. He was let down badly by his players and I'd struggle to single out anyone who had a performance that was even "average." However, he made two massive mistakes. Selecting the Furman/ Keegan duo as holding midfielders meant we had no-one who could pass the ball from deep. Secondly, giving the players two days off after the Fulham game (which we lost, FFS!) meant that we didn't prepare properly for this game.
Also, God knows what he said to them at half-time, but they managed to be worse than they were in the first half and they looked totally uninterested.
Yes, we had some difficult times under O'Driscoll, but I always had a sense that he knew what he was trying to do with the team. I just don't have that with Dickov. However, lest we forget, Dickov was JR's appointment. I wonder if he's having second thoughts about that now?
I wasn't there today, but what TRB described sounds familiar to anyone who has seen more than a handful of our games this season - and last actually.
We talk about players letting him down but (a) how often have we heard this and (b) if ALL the players are letting him down rather than just some of them, what does that say about the management?
We all knew SOD's problems. Too purist, unwilling to rough it, unwilling to have credible Plan B. But he certainly had a Plan A. Likewise Saunders, but a mirror image.
What is the Dickov masterplan? 18months on and I have no idea. Punting ball for fast full backs, wingers and strikers to run on to, while plugging central midfield with cloggers. I can't think of anything else? Am I missing anything?
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On Tuesday the fans sing 'were proud of you' 4 days later idiots on here want the manager sacked.
Ridiculous
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You are right Dickos. Totally wrong to look at this in short term. Over 18 months what conclusions can we reach about out manager? What are the consistent themes we can identify? Every manager has good patches and bad patches. What is it we can say about the 18 months that Mr Dickov has been in charge?
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With what has happened this season I don't think we can say anything other than he is doing a decent job
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True. Last season was difficult but he was given a budget big enough to give us a fighting chance of staying up. With precious few injuries at end of season he and the team totally blew it. That capitulation was a real low point in recent years.
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Let's be honest what ever people think of last season maybe it was his fault we got relegated u can't blame him this season,I hope he walks tomorrow only as it will give the board no option but to strengthen the squad,yes as fans we want to see the club run well and make money,but as fans the main thing is we get value for money,I'm grateful for what terry and dick have done but please do that little bit more and give us something worthwhile on a sat afternoon rather than it does not matter as the books balance
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JR was not even in charge of the club when the Dover match took place. He took over in December of that season.
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He did throughout most of 2007
Were you there today, BST? Because that was worse than anything served up in 2007, poor as it was.
First half I just thought it was a case of two poor sides. We conceded a goal from a free kick in the depths of stoppage time because we failed to anticipate that Walsall might not just lump the ball into the box. I still thought we could come back into it, but the second half was one of the most gutless displays I've ever seen from a Rovers team.
In one respect I have some sympathy for Dickov. He was let down badly by his players and I'd struggle to single out anyone who had a performance that was even "average." However, he made two massive mistakes. Selecting the Furman/ Keegan duo as holding midfielders meant we had no-one who could pass the ball from deep. Secondly, giving the players two days off after the Fulham game (which we lost, FFS!) meant that we didn't prepare properly for this game.
Also, God knows what he said to them at half-time, but they managed to be worse than they were in the first half and they looked totally uninterested.
Yes, we had some difficult times under O'Driscoll, but I always had a sense that he knew what he was trying to do with the team. I just don't have that with Dickov. However, lest we forget, Dickov was JR's appointment. I wonder if he's having second thoughts about that now?
Dickov was appointed following a rigorous selection process insisted on by Bramall who, along with Baldwin, was present at the final interviews.
If JR made a mistake then so did they.
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Come on Lifelong, tell us the full story, the whole truth. Not the little snippets that suit your agenda. Its like the past two summers over again.
JR offered Dckov the job whilst Flynn was still in charge. Bramall blocked this and wanted a 'rigourous selection process'. Bramall liked Michael Appleton. We ended up with who JR wanted.
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I was just going to post something similar Wilts. Dickov was odds-on favourite for the job before Flynn was appointed and JR wanted him then. However, he was still at Oldham and the compensation issues would have made it difficult.
I'm not arguing that Bramall and Baldwin had no input in Dickov's appointment. Also, they've been more loyal to him than a lot of owners and CEOs would have been in similar circumstances. However, Dickov was always the man JR wanted.
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Its amazing how when things go wrong that reflects badly on JR how people manage to spin it to blame someone else, or at the very least make them as culpable. JR always wanted Dickov, that's common knowledge, but as stated above it was TB who insisted on a proper interview process.
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They did all agree to it so I would blame them all. Equally as Jr didn't get his way and took his ball home it is the other owners who will decide. That decision should be goodbye Dickov and I hope they make it soon.
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Come on Billy, were you there then?
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They did all agree to it so I would blame them all. Equally as Jr didn't get his way and took his ball home it is the other owners who will decide. That decision should be goodbye Dickov and I hope they make it soon.
Do you think that PD would have even got an inteview if he didn't know JR? It's not what you know....
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It amazes me how when things go wrong some people always try and put a good spin on Bramhall. My thoughts only
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I think it was a good interview not always a need for hard questioning
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Savvy.
No, I wasn't there. And whilst I fully accept that we're turning on some shockers at the moment, we're still not remotely at the level of consistent underachievement that we saw in 2007, when the (then) most expensive squad in the club's history (primarily funded by Watson and Bramall) managed to pick up 45 points in 38 depressingly one-dimensional matches.
And note. We didn't sack the manager, despite a run of results vs expectation that was FAR worse than anything we've seen under Dickov. I'll admit again that I was screaming for him to go because I couldn't see a plan. All I could see was sterile, punchless, pointless (literally most weeks) football.
Fat lot I knew.
Fat lot most people know when they start giving opinions on managers' performances.
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Some of the games that season were the worst football matches I've ever seen.
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Swansea away was the most toothless performance from Rovers I've ever seen. The closest we got to scoring was a blocked Mark Wilson shot, thirty yards out.
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It amazes me how when things go wrong some people always try and put a good spin on Bramhall. My thoughts only
You're missing the point, quite deliberately no doubt, that the people who are to blame for the mistakes should shoulder the blame. If Bramall is at fault then he should accept that. But certain supporters seem to think the Demi-God can't do anything wrong and will do their level best to absolve him.
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It amazes me how when things go wrong some people always try and put a good spin on Bramhall. My thoughts only
You're missing the point, quite deliberately no doubt, that the people who are to blame for the mistakes should shoulder the blame. If Bramall is at fault then he should accept that. But certain supporters seem to think the Demi-God can't do anything wrong and will do their level best to absolve him.
But on the other side of the coin there are those who also think the present day "saint" can't do anything wrong either and will do their level best to absolve him. ;)
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It amazes me how when things go wrong some people always try and put a good spin on Bramhall. My thoughts only
You're missing the point, quite deliberately no doubt, that the people who are to blame for the mistakes should shoulder the blame. If Bramall is at fault then he should accept that. But certain supporters seem to think the Demi-God can't do anything wrong and will do their level best to absolve him.
But on the other side of the coin there are those who also think the present day "saint" can't do anything wrong either and will do their level best to absolve him. ;)
No, if you actually read my post you will see that I did suggest that if the current Saint (as you call him) has done wrong then he should shoulder that responsibility. I suppose spending £14m on our football club doesn't give him any credibility in your eyes.
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It amazes me how when things go wrong some people always try and put a good spin on Bramhall. My thoughts only
You're missing the point, quite deliberately no doubt, that the people who are to blame for the mistakes should shoulder the blame. If Bramall is at fault then he should accept that. But certain supporters seem to think the Demi-God can't do anything wrong and will do their level best to absolve him.
But on the other side of the coin there are those who also think the present day "saint" can't do anything wrong either and will do their level best to absolve him. ;)
No, if you actually read my post you will see that I did suggest that if the current Saint (as you call him) has done wrong then he should shoulder that responsibility. I suppose spending £14m on our football club doesn't give him any credibility in your eyes.
So its ok for you to refer to someone as the "demi god" and when I refer to someone as "the saint"I am wrong? In your eyes one is a good guy and the other someone to be vilified?
I am not suggesting that someone who has spent £14 on our club has no credibility, I am suggesting he has no ambition. There is a huge difference.
The "demi god" also put a substantial amount of his money into DRFC. A much smaller percentage of his money as well and he had ambition. That is the difference.
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Wellred
See, I've never understood this ambition issue.
Bramall and Watson put money into the club to get us to the Championship in 08 and to help keep us there for 4 years. When we were relegated, they put money in to allow Saunders to build a title-winning side. Then, in the Championship, they provided funds to allow Dickov to sign Khumalo, Forrester, Sharp, Macheda, Turnbull, Johnstone, Wellens, Meite, Tamas and others.
I've never yet heard ANYONE who complains about Bramall's lack of ambition explain clearly and simply in absolute terms what they think he should put into the club.
All I hear is, whatever he does put in, he should put in more. As I've said before, that's the logic of the spoilt 6 year old brat.
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Wellred,
I don't say you were wrong to call him the Saint, I just said that you did, a statement of fact I think you'll agree?
Also there is nowhere in your post that you stated that TB has no ambition and that was your gripe with him, so how am I supposed to know what your post meant? I can't be a mind reader!
Thirdly, the fact that JR puts substantial (proportionally) sums of money into the club was never even mentioned, which essentially means your argument has no merit.
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It amazes me how when things go wrong some people always try and put a good spin on Bramhall. My thoughts only
You're missing the point, quite deliberately no doubt, that the people who are to blame for the mistakes should shoulder the blame. If Bramall is at fault then he should accept that. But certain supporters seem to think the Demi-God can't do anything wrong and will do their level best to absolve him.
But on the other side of the coin there are those who also think the present day "saint" can't do anything wrong either and will do their level best to absolve him. ;)
No, if you actually read my post you will see that I did suggest that if the current Saint (as you call him) has done wrong then he should shoulder that responsibility. I suppose spending £14m on our football club doesn't give him any credibility in your eyes.
So its ok for you to refer to someone as the "demi god" and when I refer to someone as "the saint"I am wrong? In your eyes one is a good guy and the other someone to be vilified?
I am not suggesting that someone who has spent £14 on our club has no credibility, I am suggesting he has no ambition. There is a huge difference.
The "demi god" also put a substantial amount of his money into DRFC. A much smaller percentage of his money as well and he had ambition. That is the difference.
What are you suggesting? Just to clarify.
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It amazes me how when things go wrong some people always try and put a good spin on Bramhall. My thoughts only
You're missing the point, quite deliberately no doubt, that the people who are to blame for the mistakes should shoulder the blame. If Bramall is at fault then he should accept that. But certain supporters seem to think the Demi-God can't do anything wrong and will do their level best to absolve him.
But on the other side of the coin there are those who also think the present day "saint" can't do anything wrong either and will do their level best to absolve him. ;)
No, if you actually read my post you will see that I did suggest that if the current Saint (as you call him) has done wrong then he should shoulder that responsibility. I suppose spending £14m on our football club doesn't give him any credibility in your eyes.
So its ok for you to refer to someone as the "demi god" and when I refer to someone as "the saint"I am wrong? In your eyes one is a good guy and the other someone to be vilified?
I am not suggesting that someone who has spent £14 on our club has no credibility, I am suggesting he has no ambition. There is a huge difference.
The "demi god" also put a substantial amount of his money into DRFC. A much smaller percentage of his money as well and he had ambition. That is the difference.
What are you suggesting? Just to clarify.
Which part do you wish me to spell out for you?
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:facepalm: :zzz: :zzz: :)
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Savvy.
No, I wasn't there. And whilst I fully accept that we're turning on some shockers at the moment, we're still not remotely at the level of consistent underachievement that we saw in 2007, when the (then) most expensive squad in the club's history (primarily funded by Watson and Bramall) managed to pick up 45 points in 38 depressingly one-dimensional matches.
And note. We didn't sack the manager, despite a run of results vs expectation that was FAR worse than anything we've seen under Dickov. I'll admit again that I was screaming for him to go because I couldn't see a plan. All I could see was sterile, punchless, pointless (literally most weeks) football.
Fat lot I knew.
Fat lot most people know when they start giving opinions on managers' performances.
Billy do you know for a fact that the squad was primarily funded by Bramall and Watson or is it a sweeping generalisation?
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Savvy
I assume you've looked at the company accounts? If you haven't, it's probably best to stay out of the discussion. Personally, I haven't got the time or energy to have this argument yet again with people who have made up their minds and can't be arsed to address established facts.
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No and neither have I, to listen to people who just make sweeping generalisations that they know they cannot substantiate, and then try and wrap it up in spin. You might fool some of the people on here, but I'm not one of them!
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BST. Those players you mention above seem like a fabulous collection of footballers that we had playing for us last season, especially now when you look at our present squad. However, that line-up would not have impressed many other clubs' supporters in the Championship. The squad's target was survival, and such a plan was always likely to mean the team would be hanging around the bottom of the table.
I think TB/DW's ambitions should have been set higher.
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BB
You make my point for me.
Bramall and Watson paid for a squad that damn-nearly kept us in the Championship.
Why did they do that if they have no ambition?
Why not buy a bunch of Esdailles and Cunninghams?
You say that their ambitions should have been higher.
Don't you get it? You have just said PRECISELY what I am complaining about. When it's time to leave the park and not have another ice cream on the way home, my 6 and 7 year old chuck big tantrums. What they mean is that my ambitions for their fun should be higher.
What you are doing is saying: Whatever our benefactors give us, I think they should give us more, more, f***ING MORE.
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While I agree with you billy that last season more so in January they did back dickov,but I think the issue is this season you can't say the same,we lost some very good players at this level and have replaced them with far inferior players
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Wasn't just the KM 2's money, it was JR's too. Now JR isnt involved the KM2 seem reluctant to invest in tge club, and seem content to mothball it.
The future looks pretty dull under the KM2, and I expect we will stagnate in league 1 at best.
It's no good having vast wealth with no ambition.
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So your opinion then is that the players we have are not good enough, that's the crux of what you are saying?
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Wasn't just the KM 2's money, it was JR's too. Now JR isnt involved the KM2 seem reluctant to invest in tge club, and seem content to mothball it.
The future looks pretty dull under the KM2, and I expect we will stagnate in league 1 at best.
It's no good having vast wealth with no ambition.
JR is still a share holder, as a share holder don't you think he has an obligation to keep the club going, maybe TB and DW are still putting in the same amount as before whilst JR is putting in nothing, hence the reason why the budget is lower
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BST
Richie Wellens said that during our first stint in the Championship we reached a stage when the team was just one striker short of a play off place, and had we had Billy Sharp at that time we would have the final piece of the jigsaw. I completely agree with him. We were lacking what all the other teams seemed to have, a danger man up front who scared the life out of opponents. Such a player for us would have been the icing on the cake, the cherry on the top.
To use your comparison we were all in the park eating our ice creams, but all the other kids had a flake in theirs.
I'm not suggesting that TB and DW should have broken the bank and spent their entire life savings on a top rated striker. I'm suggesting they should have invested about a million quid, which was about the going rate for a striker who normally would be sat on the bench at most Championship clubs.
Now it seems their ambitions for the club involve even less financial investment, and that will indeed result in a bunch of Esdailles and Cunninghams playing for us.
Their ambition was to put something back into Doncaster, but it seems their choice of Doncaster Rovers was a more costly challenge than what they were prepared to put back in.
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BB
As I say. Whatever they spend, you want more. You're confirming it with every post.
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I personally do wonder about TB/DW monetary input, SM said earlier TB had "Put in" 14million, but from personal wealth of 500 million that's a mere 2.8%. That being spread over what, 8 years. That would be the equivalent of your average supporter ( like me ) putting in £2800 over a 8 year period.
Its when you see other local clubs "Owners" putting in fairly decent amounts for "Transfers" that irks most supporters.
Don't get me wrong, I am appreciative of what the "Owners" have done in the past, but cant help thinking the pot is too "Dry" now.
Just my opinion of course, and if I had the 500 million as opposed to TB, then 1/5 of that would be "Investment Marked",( similar to his "Terry and Liz" fund ), then all supporters be happy.
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BST
Yes I do want more. I am being honest.
If Rovers re-signed Chris Brown would you be delighted? If the answer to that is yes, and I'm sure it is, then that is proof in itself that you also would like more.
Now you can sit back and be happy with the way things are going, that's your choice. It isn't mine.
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BB
Also (although irrelevant for this discussion) I haven't got a clue what you're on about with your chronology.
We HAD Billy Sharp for 2.5 of the four years that we were in the Championship. Of the other 1.5 years, 6 months was Ryan's crackpot experiment, 6 months was the start of 2008-09 when we were barely even competitive, never mind promotion candidates and the other 6 months was the second half of 08/09, when we had a striker with the second highest goals-to-games ratio in the division.
What precisely is the point you're trying to make?
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I personally do wonder about TB/DW monetary input, SM said earlier TB had "Put in" 14million, but from personal wealth of 500 million that's a mere 0.028%. That being spread over what, 8 years. That would be the equivalent of your average supporter ( like me ) putting in £280 a year, for same 8 year period.
Its when you see other local clubs "Owners" putting in fairly decent amounts for "Transfers" that irks most supporters.
Don't get me wrong, I am appreciative of what the "Owners" have done in the past, but cant help thinking the pot is too "Dry" now.
Just my opinion of course, and if I had the 500 million as opposed to TB, then 1/5 of that would be "Investment Marked",( similar to his "Terry and Liz" fund ), then all supporters be happy.
Wild Rover, I take my hat off to you.
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BB
I'm grateful to have a Board that has consistently put in far, far more money into the club than the club can generate itself, and more than anyone else appears willing to put in.
Yes it would be grand if they'd put in even more and give us all a free copy of Razzle every week. But I'm not going to moan if they choose not to do.
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I think it boils back to the old thing of people wanting to spend someone else's money. In essence what I don't hear is any alternatives. If some get their wish and they go what do we get? We could get JR, though he is putting in even less money than them and from what I've seen there is nobody else. Plus everyone else who came forward had nothing to offer.
So, to those who are crticising, what are the alternatives.
I'll then go back to my original point, budget etc is mooted, yet we've been beaten recently by Oldham, Port Vale and Walsall, all who have owners who don't put money in and budgets substantially less than ours. Yet apparently it isn't the manager that is the issue, but the budget. Getting beat by teams with smaller budgets suggests to me that actually it isn't the budget that is the issue, but how the budget has been employed.
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So, once again you assume Dick and Terry have pots of cash sloshing about. It seems it's ok for JR to have money tied up in assetts but it's beyond your reckoning that the same might apply to TB and DW.
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I've always wanted to know what was JR's favourite cheese
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Is razzle still going?
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So, once again you assume Dick and Terry have pots of cash sloshing about. It seems it's ok for JR to have money tied up in assetts but it's beyond your reckoning that the same might apply to TB and DW.
I suppose the BIG difference is Ryan only had 25 million, so much easier to "Tie up in Assets"
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So, once again you assume Dick and Terry have pots of cash sloshing about. It seems it's ok for JR to have money tied up in assetts but it's beyond your reckoning that the same might apply to TB and DW.
Exactly Baz. People who think TB has £500million+ sat in a bank account or ISA are deluded. Using their assumptions I have £100k+ sat in my bank account because my house, car etc are worth more than that...
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BB
Also (although irrelevant for this discussion) I haven't got a clue what you're on about with your chronology.
We HAD Billy Sharp for 2.5 of the four years that we were in the Championship. Of the other 1.5 years, 6 months was Ryan's crackpot experiment, 6 months was the start of 2008-09 when we were barely even competitive, never mind promotion candidates and the other 6 months was the second half of 08/09, when we had a striker with the second highest goals-to-games ratio in the division.
What precisely is the point you're trying to make?
I was (as was Wellens) referring to the first season in the Championship, when having a striker with the second highest goals-to-games ratio in the division just shows how a striker of Billy Sharp's quality would have improved the team to the extent of a play-off place, at that particular time.
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So the extent of JR's ambition didn't stretch to freeing up some of his assets to complete the takeover. Seems his ambition was to spend other peoples money without taking the risk. Oh, and whist doing so belittle your rich Amigos in public. Genius!
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So the extent of JR's ambition didn't stretch to freeing up some of his assets to complete the takeover. Seems his ambition was to spend other peoples money without taking the risk. Oh, and whist doing so belittle your rich Amigos in public. Genius!
Nail, Head!
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Think it's stupid that a nice little interview turns into this
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When JR sold his dream to TB and DW and persuaded them to join the board, he did so because he couldn't afford to achieve his dream on his own, otherwise I'm sure he would have done.
His dream was also our dream, all of us on this forums dream. Just because TB/DW are richer sugar daddies doesn't mean they are better parents of the company. And it certainly doesn't mean that they are taking more risk with their money than John Ryan ever did.
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BB
Got you. So are you saying that in the first half of the season, when we managed to pick up 18 points from 24 matches, Billy Sharp would have turned us into promotion candidates?
Or are you saying that in the second half of the season, when we picked up 40 points from 22 games, dropping Heffernan and playing Billy Sharp would have meant that we'd have got 60 points from 22 games?
Do you see my confusion here?
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Yes BST, I see your confusion. You're confusion seems to be caused by what I'm saying, and what you're thinking I'm saying.
Now you're thinking I'm thinking a player of Billy Sharp's quality should replace Paul Heffernan. Am I right?
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His dream was also our dream, all of us on this forums dream. Just because TB/DW are richer sugar daddies doesn't mean they are better parents of the company.
Yes they are, because sooner or later you have to learn that you can't spend what you haven't got without there being consequences.
Don't be pointing the finger at two people who helped JR (and us) realise those dreams. We are all aware the in football you can go down as well as up. We are now reaping the consequences of 'our' ambition.
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Ah, I see.......So we shouldn't have ambition........Right then, Conference here we come!
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BB
Well, unless you're expecting Bramall to have bought us the right to play 12 players, he'd have had to replace SOMEONE, right?
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BST
Got you. You're implying that if Bramall had bought the right to play 12 players, he'd have had to replace SOMEONE, right? WRONG! I see how you tried to trick me there. You mean that if Bramall had spent enough cash to get us in the top six of the league, he wouldn't have had to replace someone - The twelfth man would have been the ref!
Nice one!
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BB.
Much as I love pointless discussions, work is pressing. If you've owt sensible to say on this subject, I'm all ears.
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BB.
Much as I love pointless discussions, work is pressing. If you've owt sensible to say on this subject, I'm all ears.
The words of a beaten man
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BB.
Much as I love pointless discussions, work is pressing. If you've owt sensible to say on this subject, I'm all ears.
The words of a beaten man
I would n't call it beaten, the problem here is no matter how many facts you put forward, and how rational those facts are you can't change an opinion of a person who refuses to change that opinion, no matter how overwhelming those facts are
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True that, it's like banging your head against a brick wall, sometimes. :headbang:
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Here you go RJ
1) You present a fact.
2) I say "Boomshanka"
3) You present another fact.
4) I say "Boomshanka"
5) You present a third fact.
6) I say "Boomshanka."
7) You say, "f*** this, it's a waste of time."
8) I say, "Nah, nah, nah, nah-nah. I've won."
9) Boomstick "likes" my post.
Edit:
10) Then BCS "likes" my post.
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JR would have not stood for these abject performances
He would've. He & Dickov are friends, remember!?
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BB.
Much as I love pointless discussions, work is pressing. If you've owt sensible to say on this subject, I'm all ears.
The words of a beaten man
I would n't call it beaten, the problem here is no matter how many facts you put forward, and how rational those facts are you can't change an opinion of a person who refuses to change that opinion, no matter how overwhelming those facts are
"I see no ships" - Lord Nelson
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Personally I reckon we should be thankful we've had and have now, owners who are prepared to part with cash to fund our hobby. Could have been an awful lot worse.
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O'Driscoll had a valid way of getting consistency,he judged games on performances,not when we had played rubbish and somehow managed to win,he was looking for a consistent level of performance.
Yes in the end he went too long without results and that did for him,but that's the only way to get consistent results.
Under Paul it has been hit and miss throughout his tenure,we have very rarely got consistency,yes we have had a terrible run of injuries,but then again,the other managers did,but found a way round them.
The spine of the team isn't right at the minute,if he get's some players in to rectify that,then he might start getting results,i hope he does.
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Personally I reckon we should be thankful we've had and have now, owners who are prepared to part with cash to fund our hobby. Could have been an awful lot worse.
But owners are not just lumped with this 'burden' are they? They take ownership of a club, usually because they enjoy the sport and are competitive. They have made money with a professional venture and want to compete in Sport with a project. I think we have had a good enough budget to at least see some consistency and steadily improving results. Unfortunately we are not seeing this and hearing PD's comments about not needing the loan market, either means he is a fool, stubborn or is hiding the owners reluctance to spend anything further this season.
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I personally do wonder about TB/DW monetary input, SM said earlier TB had "Put in" 14million, but from personal wealth of 500 million that's a mere 0.028%. That being spread over what, 8 years. That would be the equivalent of your average supporter ( like me ) putting in £280 a year, for same 8 year period.
Its when you see other local clubs "Owners" putting in fairly decent amounts for "Transfers" that irks most supporters.
Don't get me wrong, I am appreciative of what the "Owners" have done in the past, but cant help thinking the pot is too "Dry" now.
Just my opinion of course, and if I had the 500 million as opposed to TB, then 1/5 of that would be "Investment Marked",( similar to his "Terry and Liz" fund ), then all supporters be happy.
14 million is 2.8% of 500 million
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Dyslexic Calculator. Or Dyslexic me. Better go back and adjust.
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Dyslexic calculator? Sounds like an Aphex Twin song.
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Does dyslexia apply to numbers as well as words? Or is there a separate word for dyslexia in numbers?
Just wondering like... I always thought the word related to words.
BobG
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Yes Bob. It's bumners.
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It's dyscalculia.
It affects people with dyslexia but also exists as a separate condition.
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I suffer with a mild case of dyscalculia, it's a bugger writing up quotes and finding I've under charged by a couple of hundred quid.
Also wasting materials when I've cut them too short.
Since finding out that I have this condition I've basically had to re train my brain to work with numbers. I don't mess up any near as much as I used to.
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I suffer with a mild case of dyscalculia, it's a bugger writing up quotes and finding I've under charged by a couple of hundred quid.
Also wasting materials when I've cut them too short.
Since finding out that I have this condition I've basically had to re train my brain to work with numbers. I don't mess up any near as much as I used to.
So, when you go to those swinging parties, you only think there are the two of you ;)
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I suffer with a mild case of dyscalculia, it's a bugger writing up quotes and finding I've under charged by a couple of hundred quid.
Also wasting materials when I've cut them too short.
Since finding out that I have this condition I've basically had to re train my brain to work with numbers. I don't mess up any near as much as I used to.
So, when you go to those swinging parties, you only think there are the two of you ;)
Hmmm that's a thought , I haven't read the word " Nudgarobics " for ages :(
This forum has become far too serious of late, we need to have a laugh once again.......its far too negative on here these days despite the results on the pitch :(
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Some blame the management, some blame the foreman, some blame the shop floor and some blame the customers!
Some blame none of them, and are happy!
Perhaps they are right!