New ownership!?

[Campsall rover]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.

Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?

£35m It’s a nominal investment for tax fiddle .

When you make comments like that you just make yourself look a complete idiot.
You don’t expect to be taken seriously do you. Please tell me you don’t.

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

[Filo]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

At the Don Valley stadium with crowds of 2k

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

At the Don Valley stadium with crowds of 2k

So, why the reverse in the two club's fortunes?

[River Don]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.

[Padge_DRFC]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.

Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?

I wonder how much he makes from being in the championship every other season v not at all and league 2 potentially

[tyke1962]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

That's as maybe but they've had three spells in the championship and may make it a fourth this season .

The seem to be able to dust themselves down when relegated from the championship and go again in league one and I think Paul Warne is a very underrated manager .

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.

So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?

[since-1969]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.

Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?

£35m It’s a nominal investment for tax fiddle .

When you make comments like that you just make yourself look a complete idiot.
You don’t expect to be taken seriously do you. Please tell me you don’t.

Why would they put a limited amount of money into the club if it didn’t benefit them in other ways . The club Doncaster is a charitable Trust isn’t it ..there are  tax benefits from using these I believe , so it cash yes but it’s with strings attached !!

[tyke1962]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

We were in the PL when you were in the Conference and a game away from returning in 2000 .

It wasn't too long afterwards before you were beating us for fun in league one .

[River Don]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.

So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?

I don't know but there has been significant investment to get them there.

Running football clubs takes a lot of money. Unless you know of someone who is willing to plough more money into Rovers over a sustained period then this is really a pointless discussion.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Yes BB, fine margins in football can make a huge financial difference.

So you would agree, criticism of their ownership during their relegation seasons were unfair then?

They've obviously been wise how they've managed their finance and playing staff under Paul Warne who's been there for some time now.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.

What a shame.

Not sure why it would be a shame.

A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.

Perhaps he'd like the bloke who bought Bury to try his luck again with us.

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Yes BB, fine margins in football can make a huge financial difference.

So you would agree, criticism of their ownership during their relegation seasons were unfair then?

They've obviously been wise how they've managed their finance and playing staff under Paul Warne who's been there for some time now.

I agree that Yo-Yoing from the Championship to league one and back makes a huge financial difference to Yo-Yoing from League one to league two and back.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Am I right in thinking that when owners covered themselves in glory in the past it was because they spent more money on the playing squad than they do now?

It’s the old adage  “that you only get what you pay for”  or as they say In Yorkshire “it’s owt for nowt”. 

Spot on because it was done with other people's money!

[since-1969]

Supporters put money in every season and the board would fill the stadium with a successful team on the pitch .. investment pays over time !!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Supporters put money in every season and the board would fill the stadium with a successful team on the pitch .. investment pays over time !!

Would you like to invest in these magic beans I have for sale?

[Bentley Bullet]

Am I right in thinking that when owners covered themselves in glory in the past it was because they spent more money on the playing squad than they do now?

It’s the old adage  “that you only get what you pay for”  or as they say In Yorkshire “it’s owt for nowt”. 

Spot on because it was done with other people's money!

So where does my f**king money go then?

[River Don]

And so we return to... Speculate to accumulate...

Speculation. A theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.

Reckless gambling in other words.

[silent majority]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Because their owner has ploughed something like £35million into the club.

Do we know anyone with a spare £35mil?

£35m It’s a nominal investment for tax fiddle .

When you make comments like that you just make yourself look a complete idiot.
You don’t expect to be taken seriously do you. Please tell me you don’t.

Why would they put a limited amount of money into the club if it didn’t benefit them in other ways . The club Doncaster is a charitable Trust isn’t it ..there are  tax benefits from using these I believe , so it cash yes but it’s with strings attached !!

Oh my God, are you still banging that drum again?

Believe me, there is no taxable benefits to be had my throwing money into DRFC.

[elmsallrover]

I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.

What a shame.

Not sure why it would be a shame.

A football club getting new owners doesn’t always mean that the new owners improve the financial situation of the club. On numerous occasions it means the complete opposite, and today’s opponents are a good example of that.

Perhaps he'd like the bloke who bought Bury to try his luck again with us.

yes please and put us all out of our misery

[The Beast]

Supporters put money in every season and the board would fill the stadium with a successful team on the pitch .. investment pays over time !!

It might pay with results and good football but buying into a football club rarely brings you a profit, there are too many owners who are willing to lose millions so it’s not really a level playing field. Now if clubs had to make a profit it’d be s different kettle of fish but that will never be the case and would be impossible to police.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Yes BB, fine margins in football can make a huge financial difference.

So you would agree, criticism of their ownership during their relegation seasons were unfair then?

They've obviously been wise how they've managed their finance and playing staff under Paul Warne who's been there for some time now.

I agree that Yo-Yoing from the Championship to league one and back makes a huge financial difference to Yo-Yoing from League one to league two and back.

It wasn't too long ago when we beat Rotherham at home and you wouldn't have said there was a great deal of difference between the quality on show.

Then there was the curtailed season when they got up to the Championship again courtesy of ppg formula, whilst we were blighted by having two matches to play against Bolton and one v Wigan still to play. Had just two of those been played and won  we could have been in the play off positions.

The gap between League One and the Championship financially is twice what it was, if not more , since we were last there.

Oh, and going back to play off semi at Charlton. A slip of our keeper and/or any one of two missed penalties could make that difference. 

As I said, fine lines. 

[silent majority]

Donny in York,

I’m not going to quote all your previous posts as the thread becomes unreadable.

However I am going to point out the mistakes you’ve made in those posts. Firstly I did not suggest that all new ownership would be bad, what I did say is that there’s no guarantee that new ownership brings success and new investment. We, as the FSA, deal with supporter groups at clubs up and down the country who find that it’s more common to go backwards than forwards.

That’s not an opinion, it’s our experience.

Secondly you’re making the same mistake you always make when we discuss boards and ownership by equating success on the pitch with a successful board. The two are not the same thing. You talk about the best board by quoting success by results, and that’s not what I mean at all.

That’s my opinion, but one supported by knowledge and experience of dealing with the club for a number of years.

I.think.the silent majority of Rovers fans equate a successful club and ownership with success on the pitch.

I do acknowledge the success of Bramhall and Watson in an unbelievable successful time until 2013.. then as the saying apparently goes... the party was over..

Well its a good job people like you aren't running a supporters trust then if you can't differentiate between good owners and what they do for the club. If you were we'd have protests outside the stadium every other week.

[Drover]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.

So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?

I would say yes,After KM2 got rid of JR.

[Bentley Bullet]

And so we return to... Speculate to accumulate...

Speculation. A theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.

Reckless gambling in other words.

You've just mentioned the disadvantages of speculating and ignored the advantages of accumulating, which includes financial reward due to providing a better product, thus increasing performance and growth.

[LincolnDonny]

I can guarantee that there is nothing in this rumour, there is no ‘new ownership’.

John Ryan is not a "New" owner?

[River Don]

And so we return to... Speculate to accumulate...

Speculation. A theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.

Reckless gambling in other words.

You've just mentioned the disadvantages of speculating and ignored the advantages of accumulating, which includes financial reward due to providing a better product, thus increasing performance and growth.

It's a case of managing risk. Too often in football people take absurd risks.

[Bentley Bullet]

Who's talking about absurd risks? I'm talking about competing financially with the likes of local giants Rotherham United!

[Glyn_Wigley]

I wonder why Rotherham United attract better players than us?

Probably because they play in the championship every other year .

We played in the Championship 5 years out of 6 a few years back, while Rotherham were struggling in league 2.

And then Stewart took over the at Rotherham and started the investment.

So, Stewart's investment was bigger than Ryan's, Bramall's and Watson's combined?

I would say yes,After KM2 got rid of JR.

When JR left only the people putting money into the club remained.